Quickset System

[R_Oldroyd 17]

Is the Quick set systems as quick as we are lead to believe. I use both hemp longnets and have just just finished making a 100 yd quickset, with backet and all. I have to say that i have only taken it out a couple of times over a set a side field. The grass is tussoks and i have already notice how the nylon just loves to attach itself to every bit of vegitation.

 

Sure you can run it out quite quickly but its noisy with the fibreglass poles so this tends to slow you down especially when the weather it not quite right.... Second those lovely fibre glass poles are a bugger to get into the ground at the moment.... Third you have to back track to check the foot lines are not a half a foot of the ground. and pull the bag free of the grass.....

 

To cut a long story short if you are not running your quick set across a golf courses or somewhere where there are no snags there has to be some said about using older methods like hemp longnets .

 

Yes they are heavy and take time to pick up but if you know your fields and the weather is right i would always go for the 4 50 yd hemp nets with 2 man team. If i was working fields that are less well known i think that 3 100yd quicksets will be used as a numbers game with a 2 men team.

 

Your thoughts

 

Roger.

Edited August 14, 2007 by R_Oldroyd

[mole catcher 1]

some good points of view there

 

your right about this speed issue, just how fast do you need to be to drop a net correctly?

maybe many new to netting will forget about fieldcraft and opt for speed in a hope to get the net set before their discovered. funny thing is myself and a fellow netter were having the self same conversation not more than a few days ago.

[DUCKWING 302]

WELL LADS ,

 

I HAVE MADE LONG NETS OUT OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ............. AND TO BE HONEST I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF HEMP NETS WHICH I MADE 20 YRS OR SO AGO ...... AND ... I DO STILL USE A COUPLE OF SHORT HEMP NETS FOR HEDGE WORK DURING THE DAYTIME ,

HOWEVER ........... FOR THE NIGHT WORK ....... WHICH 99 % OF THE TIMES DONE ON MY LONESOME ,

IAM AFRAID I WOULD RATHER HAVE OWT APART FROM FECKIN HEMP ....... HEAVY WHEN WET .... BULKY ..... AND YEP .......... DESPITE WHAT THE BULLSHITTERS SAY ...STILL DOES GET TANGLED .

THOUGH NO WHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS NYLON ............ YET A PART OF ME SAYS .... " HELL THATS WHY THE OLD NETTERS CALLED THE FECKERS WEBS !!! "

DEPENDING ON THE SET .... WIND , GROUND CONDITIONS ETC ........ SPEED " CAN " MEAN EVERYTHING TO A NIGHTS TALLY .

POLES ? ,

WELL .......... OWT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR TAKES SOME PUSHING INTO THE GROUND WITHOUT A PROBE HOLE FIRST . FIBREGLASS OR HAZEL ......... I AGREE ....... FIBREGLASS CAN BE NOISEY , THEN AGAIN , AS ME AND NETTRIGGER DISCUSED THE OTHER NIGHT " THE MAN IN FRONTS ALWAYS THE LOUDEST !!! "

I THINK A LOT COMES DOWN TO FIELDCRAFT ..........

JUST RECENTLY I TOOK A COUPLE OF YOUNG LADS OUT FOR A DAY WITH THE AIR RIFLES ,........... HELL WHEN THEY TURNED UP LIKE JAPANEESE SNIPERS I COULDNT BELIVE IT ! .... ALL THE NEWEST RIFLES , CAMO ETC ....... HELL I FELT UNDERDRESSED IN A PAIR OF JEANS AND A THIN T SHIRT ........ THE LOOK ON THEIR FACES SAID IT ALL " THIS FECKERS GONNA SHOOT NOWT " ......... WELL ....... I GOT 16 RABBITS AND 7 WOODIES THEN PUT THE RIFLE AWAY AND WENT FOR A STALK WITH MY CATTY ...... PUT ANOTHER 2 RABBITS IN THE BAG .....

THE KIDS ? ............ WELL ... ALL EVENING FOR 5 RABBITS , IN GROUND INFESTED AT THIS TIME OF YEAR ........THEY LOOKED OVER THE MOON TILL THEY SAW MY BAG ......... SO . WE HAD ANOTHER WALK ..........

 

HOPEFULLY I SHOWED THEM THE IMPORTANCE OF FIELDCRAFT .....

 

ALL THE BEST

 

DUCKWING

[TOMO 26,759]

i bet those poles you are using are the ones from brinded that are very thin.

 

get the one from magnum or bridport alot thiker , and you just push down on the top as it has a rubber top. that dont hurt your hand.

[R_Oldroyd 17]

i bet those poles you are using are the ones from brinded that are very thin.

 

get the one from magnum or bridport alot thiker , and you just push down on the top as it has a rubber top. that dont hurt your hand.

 

I am using the magnum ones and they are good it's just that the ground is rock hard on that particular field. I am sure the nets will be alot quicker to set after a good spell on wet weather. The poles seem to be quite long thought, but with wetter weather i guess you will have to push them further in the ground to stop them toppling over when a rabbit hits hard.

 

Thats has happened a couple of times now becuase it can be hard pushing the poles in the ground with the bag in the way. That why i have started to back track checking the poles once the basket has been dropped and tighting the top line and pulling the bag free. Have had a better catch rate by taking this extra time at the net.

 

Regards Roger.

Edited August 17, 2007 by R_Oldroyd

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Edited August 26, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[hedgehunter 0]

i bet those poles you are using are the ones from brinded that are very thin.

 

get the one from magnum or bridport alot thiker , and you just push down on the top as it has a rubber top. that dont hurt your hand.

 

I am using the magnum ones and they are good it's just that the ground is rock hard on that particular field. I am sure the nets will be alot quicker to set after a good spell on wet weather. The poles seem to be quite long thought, but with wetter weather i guess you will have to push them further in the ground to stop them toppling over when a rabbit hits hard.

 

Thats has happened a couple of times now becuase it can be hard pushing the poles in the ground with the bag in the way. That why i have started to back track checking the poles once the basket has been dropped and tighting the top line and pulling the bag free. Have had a better catch rate by taking this extra time at the net.

 

Regards Roger.

 

Makes good sense Roger

 

Initially we tried the thinner fibre glass poles but found that they bent like a fly fisherman's rod when a couple of rabbits hit them at speed. So we up-graded to the thicker compressed plastic ones (Magnum)..

On a quiet sort of night,..they can sometimes make a rattle,.but I've also found that once the natural hazel wands become fully 'cured',..they too can sing out a wee bit. WE also collected bundles of unwanted golf clubs from the 'recycling' depots. When sharpened, these went in a treat, and they had a nice purpose made grip to push hard on. HOWEVER, I found them awkward to maneuver with when creeping around the woodland buries. When I cut them down to a more 'handlable size,...I immediately lost their ease of usage.

They were great when left long like a ski stick, but no big deal when cut off in their prime..

The truth being,.there is no completely, 100% SILENT method ,. that is why you are best suited to choose good nights and locations which offer an easy approach. And quite frankly,.a lot of sets require a bit of getting at, fences, gates,.even high walls to negotiate

Personally,..I still like to use the traditional method with the 'end pins' and cheap and cheerful hazel pegs..

I have been privileged to use ALL the long net baskets available,.and still find them uncomfortable to work with,..especially at night...

BUT,..I must learn to walk forward into the 21st Century,.so I'll keep on practising...

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Hi mr. Chalkwaren

I 've been toying with the idea of buying a long net, and there does seem to be one or two to choose from... being a long net virgin I was interested to read you have tried out those that are available. Could do with some advice, you must have some idea of wat you like and diss on whats you have used ?

 

Mr. Edgey

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

i bet those poles you are using are the ones from brinded that are very thin.

 

get the one from magnum or bridport alot thiker , and you just push down on the top as it has a rubber top. that dont hurt your hand.

 

I am using the magnum ones and they are good it's just that the ground is rock hard on that particular field. I am sure the nets will be alot quicker to set after a good spell on wet weather. The poles seem to be quite long thought, but with wetter weather i guess you will have to push them further in the ground to stop them toppling over when a rabbit hits hard.

 

Thats has happened a couple of times now becuase it can be hard pushing the poles in the ground with the bag in the way. That why i have started to back track checking the poles once the basket has been dropped and tighting the top line and pulling the bag free. Have had a better catch rate by taking this extra time at the net.

 

Regards Roger.

 

Makes good sense Roger

 

Initially we tried the thinner fibre glass poles but found that they bent like a fly fisherman's rod when a couple of rabbits hit them at speed. So we up-graded to the thicker compressed plastic ones (Magnum)..

On a quiet sort of night,..they can sometimes make a rattle,.but I've also found that once the natural hazel wands become fully 'cured',..they too can sing out a wee bit. WE also collected bundles of unwanted golf clubs from the 'recycling' depots. When sharpened, these went in a treat, and they had a nice purpose made grip to push hard on. HOWEVER, I found them awkward to maneuver with when creeping around the woodland buries. When I cut them down to a more 'handlable size,...I immediately lost their ease of usage.

They were great when left long like a ski stick, but no big deal when cut off in their prime..

The truth being,.there is no completely, 100% SILENT method ,. that is why you are best suited to choose good nights and locations which offer an easy approach. And quite frankly,.a lot of sets require a bit of getting at, fences, gates,.even high walls to negotiate

Personally,..I still like to use the traditional method with the 'end pins' and cheap and cheerful hazel pegs..

I have been privileged to use ALL the long net baskets available,.and still find them uncomfortable to work with,..especially at night...

BUT,..I must learn to walk forward into the 21st Century,.so I'll keep on practising...

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Hi mr. Chalkwaren

I 've been toying with the idea of buying a long net, and there does seem to be one or two to choose from... being a long net virgin I was interested to read you have tried out those that are available. Could do with some advice, you must have some idea of wat you like and diss on whats you have used ?

 

Mr. Edgey

 

Edited August 25, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[hedgehunter 0]

i bet those poles you are using are the ones from brinded that are very thin.

 

get the one from magnum or bridport alot thiker , and you just push down on the top as it has a rubber top. that dont hurt your hand.

 

I am using the magnum ones and they are good it's just that the ground is rock hard on that particular field. I am sure the nets will be alot quicker to set after a good spell on wet weather. The poles seem to be quite long thought, but with wetter weather i guess you will have to push them further in the ground to stop them toppling over when a rabbit hits hard.

 

Thats has happened a couple of times now becuase it can be hard pushing the poles in the ground with the bag in the way. That why i have started to back track checking the poles once the basket has been dropped and tighting the top line and pulling the bag free. Have had a better catch rate by taking this extra time at the net.

 

Regards Roger.

 

Makes good sense Roger

 

Initially we tried the thinner fibre glass poles but found that they bent like a fly fisherman's rod when a couple of rabbits hit them at speed. So we up-graded to the thicker compressed plastic ones (Magnum)..

On a quiet sort of night,..they can sometimes make a rattle,.but I've also found that once the natural hazel wands become fully 'cured',..they too can sing out a wee bit. WE also collected bundles of unwanted golf clubs from the 'recycling' depots. When sharpened, these went in a treat, and they had a nice purpose made grip to push hard on. HOWEVER, I found them awkward to maneuver with when creeping around the woodland buries. When I cut them down to a more 'handlable size,...I immediately lost their ease of usage.

They were great when left long like a ski stick, but no big deal when cut off in their prime..

The truth being,.there is no completely, 100% SILENT method ,. that is why you are best suited to choose good nights and locations which offer an easy approach. And quite frankly,.a lot of sets require a bit of getting at, fences, gates,.even high walls to negotiate

Personally,..I still like to use the traditional method with the 'end pins' and cheap and cheerful hazel pegs..

I have been privileged to use ALL the long net baskets available,.and still find them uncomfortable to work with,..especially at night...

BUT,..I must learn to walk forward into the 21st Century,.so I'll keep on practising...

All the best,.CHALKWARREN...

 

Hi mr. Chalkwaren

I 've been toying with the idea of buying a long net, and there does seem to be one or two to choose from... being a long net virgin I was interested to read you have tried out those that are available. Could do with some advice, you must have some idea of wat you like and diss on whats you have used ?

 

Mr. Edgey

 

 

Where has your post gone Mr. Chalk warren ?

 

Hi Mr. Chalkwarren

 

I did briefly see your reply to my request for your opinion on what is commercially available on the market. I got the feeling that you found the question a touch to intrusive, sorry about that, I think you got hold of the wrong end of the stick, I used the a rather short hand expression when I asked you what you like and what you diss about the kit you have tried. I did not intend that you to disrespect the manufacturer, just merely comment of the attributes of the system they are bringing to market.

 

In you edited reply you suggested that it was a strange question to ask you, as I know both the Mole Catcher and SW. Well lets start the ball rolling, I am aware of SW’s opinions on one or two long net systems and he wrote recently on this very subject in he shooting times, the jist of it suggests that you should have a good look at what’s available before you buy, or you may end up a little disappointed. As for the Mole Catcher, his system is the only one I have really had a good look at, as one or two people use it round here as you would expect. Both Mole catcher and SW have both been showing me how too use them, which is good for me, but as with most things in life they both hold different opinions on how they set them in different situations. As for the Mole Catcher’s system it is fairly small and lightweight has a netting bag, and it is breaks down into two parts, which is handy for storage, that is my opinion. I could not really comment on any others.

 

When I want to buy a new car I like to know what I am buying, and therefore do my homework; I have been known tuned into top gear and watched Jeremy Clarkson ripping the shite out of the Caravan Club of Gt. Britain; now that was disrespectful…

 

So there you go, now you know all that I know about long net systems, and who my friends are.

 

If possible I am still interested in your opinion, given that you have tried em all. I would hope you could do this with the minimum of offence, but lets face it if you are big enough to sell your kit, then you should be big enough to take a little constructive criticism, in the interest of product development.

 

So come on now Chalkie, say what you will, you must have more long netting kit in your shed than Jack Hargreeves.

 

Regards

Mr. Edgey

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

I would refer the Right Honourable Gentleman to the answer I gave previously.... Edited August 26, 2007 by CHALKWARREN

[Guest The Big Fish]

Mr. Edgey, why dont you visit the shows and go round to each basket maker and try the individual baskets out and see how you feel with them on. That way, you will know which one suits you best. There are a few to choose from nowadays.

 

I prefer the hanging type myself

[COMPO 54]

Going back to the original question of speed, i use a 100 yard 6z nylon net in the traditional manner with hazel pegs and metal end pins, i only really use this when ferreting and often encircle warrens with it, or run it down the side of hedges etc...

 

I have ferreted with a chap off another forum on a few occasions and the first time he brought along a 100yard nylon net on the quikset system (dont ask me which quikset) it was a net basket with the poles already fastened on and pins out the top of the basket to hold the wands when in the basket.

 

Now we decided to just use the longnets on a few hard to pursenet warrens on a hedge/fence line, and he was no quicker doing his net than i was doing mine?? in fact on a couple of occasions that day i was actually quicker than him and had mine back in the bag and the wands all bundled up before he had finished feeding his back in the bag, and on the setting up we were also both about even stevens?

 

I dont think the quikset systems are quicker i think they just appeal to people as being all in one and ready to go making people feel more confident about using them and believing themselves that it will make them quicker at setting it up.

 

I run the net out by myself and then walk back along it fixing the wands in, so i would walk along mine at least twice sometimes 3 times before my friend had done his once? (and i am fat and unfit so its not even my natural athleticism that beat him )

 

Hoping to get out ferreting on friday and will be going to a farm where the longnet earns its keep!!

[mole catcher 1]

COMPO..

its funny what you say about your netting mate being no quicker with a basket than you are with the traditional set of nets and end pins. I personaly feel that what the basket system has given folk is an easy route into long netting. what i meen by this is unlike most sportsman of only a few yrs ago, the youngsters of today dont seem to have either a father or relertive who will take them under their wing. I was lucky enough to have met an old gentleman who was willing to teach a 12 yr old the netting skills that made up the foundation of what i know today. Its strange that in todays world of dvds and the internet more are coming around to the old skills, such as long netting without ever having seen it in practise. We all see the dvds showing hundreds of yrds of netting being used but not many show you how to get started in the netting game. So with this in mind the new comers to netting look and learn from these dvds and all that seems to be shown is the basket system, not the traditional ways. so with this in mind is it any wonder that most new commers are using the baskets and is it a missconception that they are quicker?

Its funny how many folk who use nets in the traditional manner back peg their nets rather than set the pegs to the nets as they go. Again, is this because they havnt been lucky enough to have been shown what i consider the correct way to use a long net? In my own opinion you can get away with back pegging over ferrets but try this at night and your catch rate will be greatly reduced. It was this method that i was shown yrs ago as a boy. Holding the end pin loaded with the net in one hand and setting the pegs as you went with the other. None of this walking up and down the net after it was run out. Although i use both the basket system and the traditional method for both ferreting and night time netting i can honestly say speed of the setting is not of great importance to me. What is important is the way the nets are used, the net itself being only a small part of the netting game.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Going back to the original question of speed, i use a 100 yard 6z nylon net in the traditional manner with hazel pegs and metal end pins, i only really use this when ferreting and often encircle warrens with it, or run it down the side of hedges etc...

 

I have ferreted with a chap off another forum on a few occasions and the first time he brought along a 100yard nylon net on the quikset system (dont ask me which quikset) it was a net basket with the poles already fastened on and pins out the top of the basket to hold the wands when in the basket.

 

Now we decided to just use the longnets on a few hard to pursenet warrens on a hedge/fence line, and he was no quicker doing his net than i was doing mine?? in fact on a couple of occasions that day i was actually quicker than him and had mine back in the bag and the wands all bundled up before he had finished feeding his back in the bag, and on the setting up we were also both about even stevens?

 

I dont think the quikset systems are quicker i think they just appeal to people as being all in one and ready to go making people feel more confident about using them and believing themselves that it will make them quicker at setting it up.

 

I run the net out by myself and then walk back along it fixing the wands in, so i would walk along mine at least twice sometimes 3 times before my friend had done his once? (and i am fat and unfit so its not even my natural athleticism that beat him )

 

Hoping to get out ferreting on friday and will be going to a farm where the longnet earns its keep!!

 

compo, at night the quickset will be much faster than the traditional. In fact, i find it hard to believe anyone can do the quickset slower than the traditional during the daytime. Even if the ground was rough and required a little bit of fine tuning the quickset should be twice as fast at least. For 100 yards i would expect it down in under a minute, for lifting the quickset, about 3 or 4 minutes depending on debris/thistles in the meshes.

 

I have worked both systems by day and night for both rabbits and hares and the quickset has always been much faster than the traditional.....but.....in the grand scale of things....is an extra 3 or 4 minutes in speed really going to make a difference???..... good hunting...JD

[mole catcher 1]

 

Even if the ground was rough and required a little bit of fine tuning the quickset should be twice as fast at least. For 100 yards i would expect it down in under a minute,

 

A 100yrd net set in under 1min ?

 

I have set nets for yrs on both flat football pitches as well as shity tiger grass laced beaches and i find this statement about laying a 100yrd net in under a min bloody amazing, if not a little outstanding.

 

That said the netter must place and insert each peg, walk the 5 yrds between that peg and the next, take hold of the following peg and again place the peg ect ect ect spending no more than

2.85 SECONDS BETWEEN EACH PEG.

 

Now, im known for maybe having a little bit of experiance with nets and even on a flat field such as a football field, take just one moment to think about the following problems our Sterling Moss of the netting game may have.

1, WIND IN YOUR FACE, we all know the wind works in our favour but with the nets bagging it can hinder the netter to a degree

2, WALKING BACKWARDS, day or night time you still have to take a look over your shoulder to see how your going no matter how well you think you know your ground.

3, YOUR NET GETTING TANGLED ON EVERY BIT OF FALLEN LEAF AND TWIG, i will leave that one to your imagination

4, THE SMOOTHNESS OF THE NET COMING FROM THE BASKET. as each netter who has used the basket system will know, no matter how good the basket it will sometimes snag on its way out.

Its statements such as this that has me thinking, is this why new commers to the netting game come into it and find its not the easy wonder method that will grant you instant out of the bag massive results?

Now, i dont know JD so i have no hidden agender with them, i dont even have an axe to grind on the subject. However, i do have a passion for the netting game and i also have a realization to the effort that goes into setting a 100yrd net, be it quick set or trad set. I also have over 25yrs practical experiance using long nets so i find this statement of expecting a 100yrd net to be set in under 1min to be a little on the side of wishfull thinking, or a statement of someone who has very little experiance in longnetting.