sussex 5,777 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 So if you don't have deer permission you cant get a rifle ..That would have stopped me 30 years ago...I paid per day & had invites never had my own place for ten years.. The mentoring thing is not law it was made up by the chief constables ,if you have a .243 for foxes & you shoot deer that will get your ticket withdrawn same as if you shoot one with any calibre not allowed. Do you not want anyone to get a .243 for fox .Your given your fac on the basis you will abide by the conditions on it . If they thought you had to be checked on what you shoot chances are they wouldn't have given it to you in the first place . Shotguns ...if you are eligible to have a ticket whats the odds on how many you have ... you can only shoot one at a time .If you want to fill you cabinet with a dozen whats the odds. My pal's into motor bikes hes got 17 ... what ever floats your boat... Will there be a set distance with each calibre for fox ...?.....Who will set it ..?.....Surely its up to person pulling the trigger to know weather its the right tool to do the job ..same as its up to the person shooting near /on a footpath to know that what there doing is safe ..as for ruffling feathers your not doing a bad job know ....the words fan hit shite come to mind , not quite in that order .... Quote Link to post
Philluk 181 Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 just been out shot MJ your way, was hit on A264 East Grinstead come on Rich be fair. There are people out there with rifles with no land to shoot deer on, they have a ticket pay for a day and shoot, when you have your own permission you can study learn watch see whats about and finally shoot, you gain you learn, in between you can put a target up check your accurate may sure all is ok. when you turn up and pay can you do that??? as for fox how many foxes have you shot with a shotgun how many have you killed? did the others get away clean with no buck shot??? can every body say they have killed 100% if I ask the same question on deer what would the ratio be, the same I hope not, what does that mean wounded foxes, missed foxes. where did I say I didn't want anyone to get a 243 for fox im happy with and centre fire for fox just not shotguns. this is my point what I say is taken out of concept. whats the point Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 When folks turn up here having paid to stalk they are tested on the range (standard procedure for any professional stalking outfit)and then accompanied for the entire length of the stalk by an experienced stalker (giving them every opportunity to learn) I'll take that over someone with no experience and few acres to shoot over anytime. As for how much certificates should cost I dont care mine get paid for by the estate lol 1 Quote Link to post
RubyTex 1,957 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 When folks turn up here having paid to stalk they are tested on the range (standard procedure for any professional stalking outfit)and then accompanied for the entire length of the stalk by an experienced stalker (giving them every opportunity to learn) I'll take that over someone with no experience and few acres to shoot over anytime. As for how much certificates should cost I dont care mine get paid for by the estate lol Alright for some Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I still don't think people without there own land shouldn't have a FAC ,where do you gain any experience ,I used to pay to stalk,pay to shoot at the range long before I had my own place .If the criteria to get an FAC is your own place half the people on this site would loose it ..is that fair ...?.and whatever gun you shoot foxes with its down to the guy pulling the trigger...its no different shooting them miles away with a rifle..if the guy shooting with a shotgun isn't capable of doing it properly giving him /her a rifle wont improve the situation . ps my kill ratio on foxes with a shotgun is 100% shot 3 killed 3 ...not bad for 40 years shooting . Quote Link to post
brucemyster 75 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 when it comes to justifying a price and equating it to so much per day your right it is good value, but then bring it back to the real world and suddenly it's a weeks wages in one foul swoop and all of a sudden it becomes for many unattainable, I'm off long term sick and I can't afford the fee as it is now!! I can already hear the mumblings well if you can't afford to pay for a certificate how do you intend to pay for cartridges and a shotgun, friends will always stand you for the odd day here and there but I draw the line at asking friends to pay for my certificate. I think keeping the fee lower will keep the majority of people law abiding and applying via the correct route whereas an increased fee will see more people shooting illegally, you've only got to look at the soaring cost of motoring and peoples financial situation to understand the increased numbers of people driving without insurance or even a licence. 1 Quote Link to post
Philluk 181 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 But wouldn't it be good if we had our FAC online, you want to renew or vary it make a call or fill in an online form and a couple of days later the new form is there, print go and buy, upload the new info and its on your licence. That's what i'm talking about improvements. Ive got a .222 not used it in years a friend of mine wants to use it for a couple of months go on line fill out the form gun on loan from xxxxx then its there I give him the gun its off mine and its done, less than 3 days how long would that take now, also there is no reason to charge what is it £25 for every variation. Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 The simple answer is yes if I have to, dosent mean I have to like it, however I would just make a conscious effort to put 40 quid a year away to pay for it, lets face it boys if the powers that be think they will stop us from having firearms by hiking the price up then why not show them it wont? Quote Link to post
roe-buck 63 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 So if you can afford to pay more money for a gun licence it automatically makes you a more responsible person and more suited to gun ownership? I've heard some rubbish on here over the years but that is right up there.. That's nothing but elitism IMO.. Here here what a blinkered self effacing view!Its the thin end of the wedge and they'll set a precedent and keep increasing the fees slowly pushing more and more people out of shooting! Quote Link to post
pinkfoot 1 9 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Shooting is my life so I defo would , one good way to look at it is how much do you spend on drink and fags a week 200 quid for 5years is not bad I think, I no it's a lot for people that hav,t got it especially in these hard times Quote Link to post
Sniperoid 0 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I would even pay £500 for a 5 years FAC. It is a good way of rooting out those who fire one or two rounds a year (probably in a shooting club) just to renew the license and keep firearms at home. My police authority has been very fair to me and I had no problems whatsoever in obtaining or renewing my FAC as they can see that I have a genuine reason for keeping firearms. I would however keep the fees as low as possible to those who need an FAC to make a living, e.g. farmers, gamekeepers, etc. Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Whats your problem with people wanting to keep there firearm ,? why do you need to" root out" anybody ?.Whats the problem with people who only want to shoot occasionally at the shooting club ...? Sounds like i'm all right jack pull the ladder up , there are plenty of people who could not pull up £500 in one go who would have to give up there ticket & there sport ,bet there love your idea..... ............... 1 Quote Link to post
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