C Hall 552 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 You havnt fooked up mate they can still be learnt to jump from 18 month onwards Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Recal is huge for me I hate an ignorant dog no excuses wat so ever for it. 1 faint whistle n shud b runnin bk in. Shows dog has respect 4 you n make sure ur in control not the ova way round Stock is must hunt all ova so guaranteed each week to bump into em 3rd is socialisin, constant exposure to ova dogs n peeps 4th jumpin I wil Neva lift a dog I think bond cums easy with ownership n train if dne [BANNED TEXT] I thin a iron bond is built durin trainin Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The kevin and perry stage can be the most testing time even for the most experienced dog handler PP I would learn a pup to jump way before 18 months other than that your on the right track Jumping's important...it's also the easiest thing you'll ever get a pup to do...but I'm never in a great hurry, especially with bigger heavier types...immature, weak pasterns and wrists a heavy pup is a recipe for disaster...seen one or two totally fecked up with over keen jumping training when they are too young... 2 Quote Link to post
buster gonads 862 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) First thing to teach a dog is its name and the second most importent thing IMO is the word No, what ever a dog is doing it needs to know to stop doing it when it hears you say No, buster. Edited June 10, 2013 by buster gonads 1 Quote Link to post
C Hall 552 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Jumping's important...it's also the easiest thing you'll ever get a pup to do...but I'm never in a great hurry, especially with bigger heavier types...immature, weak pasterns and wrists a heavy pup is a recipe for disaster...seen one or two totally fecked up with over keen jumping training when they are too young... Yes I agree, for larger dogs to much or rather to high to soon is not a good idea. But they can still be learned to jump over smaller obstacles young without any problems. 1 Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Jumping's important...it's also the easiest thing you'll ever get a pup to do...but I'm never in a great hurry, especially with bigger heavier types...immature, weak pasterns and wrists a heavy pup is a recipe for disaster...seen one or two totally fecked up with over keen jumping training when they are too young... Yes I agree, for larger dogs to much or rather to high to soon is not a good idea. But they can still be learned to jump over smaller obstacles young without any problems. No doubt about it and I have them jumping over single and double boards in the doorway as soon as they're settled...but I've seen some big top heavy dogs being repeatedly fired over large obstacles in party piece fashion... Quote Link to post
birddog 1,354 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 18mnth not too old to learn jumping or retrieving, the police and armed forces don't start that sort of training till around that age, maybe need a different aproach though, where a pup retrieve and jumping can be more natural and fun to learn / teach i think a more mature dog would be best less fun and more command so to speak, i'd use easy but varied hurdles (wire, gates, walls ditches etc) and reinforce / strengthen the up / over command 1 Quote Link to post
moocher123 132 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'd say stock training, recall, jumping. Mine is a wanker on two of those fronts so i'm doing well That made me laugh mate Quote Link to post
moocher123 132 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I think learning its name first mine won't see out side till it comes back to its name then I will consistently walk away from the pup to make it follow me then just kkeep doing the above for a few days then recall and sit and once that's 100 % I will start going around sheep cows horse then once that's once that's 100 % I will keep at all the things above for another week and the pup will be with other dogs as soon as she aloud out then when all the training above is done I start jumping small stuff and retrieve and jump small stuff iv never needed treats or toys hen when I have all what iv wrote above I have that done by 5 months latest then all the above is there part of there every days walks till there 8 months then it's 100 % in the brain so as soon as you ask any of the above from the dog then it's instant in what you ask then I start thinkin about taking them out to watch a bit of lamping about 8 to 10 months jmo and when all the above training is done by 5 months I start to put them by scent of things that's just ran of and then I see how much my training paid of when I ask somethin of the mut it should be straight away and I never had any problems with any of my dogs so all above has worked for me atb jmo Quote Link to post
Poacherspocket 189 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 The problem with my dog is he can jump but wont if he has another way through even though he knows the command well he just needs time now I think maybe its a convidence issue he has or maybe he just thinks he knows best. Quote Link to post
bird 9,873 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Recall first...if you ain't got that right you ain't going nowhere...never ceases to amaze me how many supposedly 'trained' dogs have poor recall...does my f*****g head in... Just couldn't cope with that... thats the main thing for me, as all other things in training will follow once its got that spot on. my 10 month old 1x gsd x grey pup Buck been very easy to train with all aspect's of training, prob because ive had Bryn with him most times and Buck just follows+ watches him and both are great jumpers. Hes the only pup ive had that ive (not) dome much retrieving with,throw the odd stick thats about it, but he caught dozen rabbits in the lamp last year and brought ever one back to me,he might be natural at it.But his recall is brill so maybe why he so good at bringing back. He good with sheep, but that down watching Bryn alot.But i think as they get older and start killing more stuff, you got have few more reminders on stock just keep on top of them. Quote Link to post
moocher123 132 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I think it's normal what your dog is doing my dog will jump no bother but if there's a gap she wont jump it common sense there just using there brain my dog knows to look for the easier options atb 1 Quote Link to post
NickF 50 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 All of that but also 'stay' too. I dont care whether she would sit,stand or lay but as long as she stopped I was happy. Lots of traffic here and loads of barbed wire here so I was happy she couldnt jump. Quote Link to post
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 My next pup will recall first time every time, retrieve live bunnys and walk to heel on command. I will not rest until these are 110%...... Quote Link to post
beast 1,884 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 To be honest I knew id f****d up with leaving the jumping too late. One thing I can honestly say is untill my dog reached about 14-16 month hed not been let loose on a rabbit iv took him ever so steady and believe me for young lad with his 1st lurcher its a hard thing to do when your mates are out most nights but I regret listening so much to a lot if the older guys saying that they shouldnt jump till there 18 month cos given you taken it steady and choose your obstacles I could have started him a lot sooner. But never mind its all fun and games now. as has been said, you havent left the jumping too late, dogs pick it up pretty easy. just put a bit of a hurdle up maybe 18 inches high, dog on lead, trot towards it and hop over with the dog beside you. command "up" just before dog has to jump. repeat with GRADUALLY increasing height, until you have to run next to the hurdle as it is too high for you but dog still jumps it, then try a few off lead. good luck. Quote Link to post
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.