Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Skycat taught me something going back a few years now. Long story short I went down to her with a naughty dog, 10 month old with serious recall and retrieve issues. When we got there she put the dog in an empty kennel while we chatted and the dog was going ape. He lived inside at home so this was new to him. She asked me if he knew what "quiet" meant. He didn't. She proceeded to teach this dog what quiet meant while I watched. We sat and talked and everytime he cried she threw a small cup of water at him and gave the command "quiet". It didn't take many cups of water before he was silent and when he did start up again the water wasn't required. The command alone was enough. I've just taken on a 12 month old Russell bitch that has never seen a kennel and suffers from a mild case of separation anxiety. Last night we had a sleepless night with her indoors so today I have transitioned her to the kennel. She played hell as soon as the kennel door was shut. Crying, howling, squealing. So as Skycat showed me i proceeded I teach the bitch the quiet command. Within an hour she was a different dog and responding well. Hopefully tonight we get a better night sleep :-) Cheers Gaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesmc 582 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 got told this when I was a young lad...it defo's works... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Country Joe 1,411 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Very good, some use a water pistol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesmc 582 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 or a bucket.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 No offence intended here I respect Skycat's opinion as much as the next guy but.... I find it a wee bit hypocritical that she writes in the CM that and I quote "the idea you can get the best out of a dog by making it fearful is thankfully a thing of the past" So the wee buggers love a cup of water thrown in their face do they??? Not that I disagree with the water/acid/kick in't balls trick mind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 I've always found the "you bark once more and ill come in there and kick your arse" usually works. When the threat doesn't the action does... Lol 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 hosepipe sorted the whippet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toby63 1,236 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 or a bucket.... thats what i used ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,752 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hosepipe or bucket .also useful for kennel fights,not rocket science is it pmsl. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 No offence intended here I respect Skycat's opinion as much as the next guy but.... I find it a wee bit hypocritical that she writes in the CM that and I quote "the idea you can get the best out of a dog by making it fearful is thankfully a thing of the past" So the wee buggers love a cup of water thrown in their face do they??? Not that I disagree with the water/acid/kick in't balls trick mind mushroom: unless the dog genuinely had a phobia about water, I'd hardly call this making it fearful. There is a big difference between a bit of non painful negative reinforcement and really frightening a dog. I'd sooner try the water treatment than bung a shock collar on the dog and really cause it pain, or storm up to it screaming and kicking it. It is the surprise of getting the water in its face, combined with the 'be quiet' command which lets the dog know that you don't like it making a noise. All mine have had the 'water treatment' at some stage in their lives, and they certainly don't act frightened in any way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 It certainly hasn't scared her. Just enough to reinforce the "quiet" command and as you say "shock her". My sensitive saluki x copped for a bit of the water spray in the next kennel and she is fine with me aswell. She just retreated to her kennel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 No offence intended here I respect Skycat's opinion as much as the next guy but.... I find it a wee bit hypocritical that she writes in the CM that and I quote "the idea you can get the best out of a dog by making it fearful is thankfully a thing of the past" So the wee buggers love a cup of water thrown in their face do they??? Not that I disagree with the water/acid/kick in't balls trick mind mushroom: unless the dog genuinely had a phobia about water, I'd hardly call this making it fearful. There is a big difference between a bit of non painful negative reinforcement and really frightening a dog. I'd sooner try the water treatment than bung a shock collar on the dog and really cause it pain, or storm up to it screaming and kicking it. It is the surprise of getting the water in its face, combined with the 'be quiet' command which lets the dog know that you don't like it making a noise. All mine have had the 'water treatment' at some stage in their lives, and they certainly don't act frightened in any way. As I said no offence was intended I respect your judgement otherwise I wouldn't of asked for your advice in the past :thumbs: Throw a cup of water at Trevor and he would scream the feckin house/street/area down :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 So I guess Trevor is a real sensitive sort of dog: bless him. Maybe mine aren't bothered about any sort of water: lakes, rivers, hose pipes, cups in their faces cos they're always around water. If they want to find game where I am then they have to be prepared to get wet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wxm 1,638 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 it works wonders, another i read on here was set up a hose pipe on spray / sprinkle in the run and when they start yapping turn the water on, spraying the dog so it realises that when it starts in gets wet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Penny is certainly very helpful and has provided me with good sound advice in the past...she has also mailed me chapters of her book...it's always good to hear other folks' viewpoints and even though I am getting pretty long in the tooth I'm not past learning from others...thanks Penny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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