Hancock Knockers,

[birddog 1,354]

interesting how many highly rated dogs are bred from collie greyhound stock, and indeed from hancock stock ie bull/ grey x collie/grey...........deerhound/grey x collie/ greyhound...........saluki/greyhound x collie/ greyhound etc.....

[Tiercel 6,986]

I can agree with your points about using proven dogs as stud dogs. Take bryn for an example. Bryn is a first cross Collie Greyhound and has proven his worth in the field. BUT, that is not to say that he can pass on those abilities to any pups he sired. As unless he was put to a collie greyhound too many other factors can change the formular that makes him what he is.

 

I know nothing about genetics But I find it hard to believe that what a dog learns in it's lifetime can be passed on in it's genes. However, I am willing to be corrected on that. Hancocks dogs are prolific stud dogs and to say they are untested is not strictly true. In that they all (new dogs aside) have a history of producing pups.

 

The problem is in determining what type of owner the person is? As has been stated in this thread people who are good with dogs seem, on the most part, to get the best out of the pups and they become good workers, whatever their forté.

 

TC

[tjones3862 3,423]

HAS ive said snipes mother was a hancock, put some think into them, bull suluki etc then you will in prove,,, i don't no how many hancock has turned over, probley 1000 pups or more, every 1 in this game shud no off a least of a good 100 or more, that's bin top notch that fig his not to much to ask for shawly.. that leaves 90 percent bad one,s,,,.

[paulsmithy83 567]

 

 

I suppose the proof of the pudding so to speak would be how many of Hancocks dogs end up on the merry-go-round or in pounds. Out all the Hancock dislikers for the way he earns his living, not one has given any proof that a higher proportion of dogs in pounds and on the merry-go-round are from his kennels

 

 

I just cannot understand this holier-than-though attitude regarding him.

 

A few facts.

 

The man knows the pedigree of each and every dog.

 

He is 100% honest in his dealings.

 

People who have his dogs often go back for more.

 

He sells his pups at a fair price.

 

People forget that lurcher to lurcher breeding off of good working stock, all started with a half cross. Does not matter if it was collie or bull, if you have a working line of collies and the speed of a greyhound you mix them up and see what you get. No one is saying that all his dogs make good workers there are so many factors that can influence that. But it does seem that in the right hands a high proportion of them do. It does seem as if the Hancock dogs pass on their genes as well, as Snipe is half Hancock he is a quality dog and he has produced some quality pups if the reports are anything to go by.

 

TC

I think some peoples only dislike. . . . . is simply not wishing to buy a pup from a puppy farm that always has pups available. And it is their 'right' to feel that way.

 

Also, I think that in the right hands, a very high percentage of collie x greys, whoever bred them, will kill rabbits for you.

 

It's each to their own.

Any lurcher in rights hands should kill rabs even the crappest of sorts

[fitchet 788]

 

 

I suppose the proof of the pudding so to speak would be how many of Hancocks dogs end up on the merry-go-round or in pounds. Out all the Hancock dislikers for the way he earns his living, not one has given any proof that a higher proportion of dogs in pounds and on the merry-go-round are from his kennels

 

I just cannot understand this holier-than-though attitude regarding him.

 

A few facts.

 

The man knows the pedigree of each and every dog.

 

He is 100% honest in his dealings.

 

People who have his dogs often go back for more.

 

He sells his pups at a fair price.

 

People forget that lurcher to lurcher breeding off of good working stock, all started with a half cross. Does not matter if it was collie or bull, if you have a working line of collies and the speed of a greyhound you mix them up and see what you get. No one is saying that all his dogs make good workers there are so many factors that can influence that. But it does seem that in the right hands a high proportion of them do. It does seem as if the Hancock dogs pass on their genes as well, as Snipe is half Hancock he is a quality dog and he has produced some quality pups if the reports are anything to go by.

 

TC

I think some peoples only dislike. . . . . is simply not wishing to buy a pup from a puppy farm that always has pups available. And it is their 'right' to feel that way.

 

Also, I think that in the right hands, a very high percentage of collie x greys, whoever bred them, will kill rabbits for you.

 

It's each to their own.

Any lurcher in rights hands should kill rabs even the crappest of sorts

Exactly mate most dogs should be able to catch a couple of rabbits on the lamp it doesn't mean there gooduns. I have a dog here who isn't directly from him but his granddam and grandsire were. I personally wouldn't get a pup from Hancock or any other person who breeds purely for profit. Atb

[lurchers4life 103]

At the end of the day the only time you ain't breeding for profit is when your giving them away weather someone started breeding bulls or salukis it would be the same argument

[sikastag_1 689]

If your breeding to keep a pup mate then You ain't breeding for profit, personally iv never sold a dog but iv paid for plenty and unless its mates I wouldn't give a dog to anyone now as nobody outside my circle of mates would give me one, I don't see anything wrong with a lad breeding a good dog for the right reasons giving a few out to pals and selling a couple as long as its to decent lads but that ain't the situation way Hancock

[hawcroft 7]

I had 1xcollie greyhound off typ ratcher ,the best dog I've had brilliant rabbit dog but could do other stuff as well ,but typ ratcher started churning litter after litter for pure financial gain which for me ruined is name.Ive seen a couple of dogs off hancocks which weren't bad but also I've seen some ones as well which I suppose the amount he breeds you will.At least he sells genuine bred dogs not like typ ratcher who was selling so called first crosses but they wasn't , he was just breeding any thing put together but making out he was a genuine bloke just for pound notes

[fitchet 788]

I had 1xcollie greyhound off typ ratcher ,the best dog I've had brilliant rabbit dog but could do other stuff as well ,but typ ratcher started churning litter after litter for pure financial gain which for me ruined is name.Ive seen a couple of dogs off hancocks which weren't bad but also I've seen some ones as well which I suppose the amount he breeds you will.At least he sells genuine bred dogs not like typ ratcher who was selling so called first crosses but they wasn't , he was just breeding any thing put together but making out he was a genuine bloke just for pound notes

Was he the one selling poodle crosses for £650 a pup ?

[hawcroft 7]

Yes he tried to sell me a dog which he said was a first cross but it wasn't ,I gave him a good name and I respected him for the dog i had which I know I'll never have another like him At that time which was 1999 I was catching lots of game with that dog throughout the country 3-4 nights through autumn and winter.I only live 15 mile from hancocks and I never contemplated getting one off him ,but I think if you lucky with the pup you pick and get it off to a good start and put the time into the dog you will have chance of a descent dog.I know lads who would ruin any dog no matter how well bred the dog is .

[torchey 1,301]

HAS ive said snipes mother was a hancock, put some think into them, bull suluki etc then you will in prove,,, i don't no how many hancock has turned over, probley 1000 pups or more, every 1 in this game shud no off a least of a good 100 or more, that's bin top notch that fig his not to much to ask for shawly.. that leaves 90 percent bad one,s,,,.

 

 

Don,t know how you got them figures tbh, 10% good and 90% bad??? What about all the average dogs that the average lurcherman owns..With hancocks litters you will get the same as any other litter being bred in the country good,average,bad ... simple.

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

HAS ive said snipes mother was a hancock, put some think into them, bull suluki etc then you will in prove,,, i don't no how many hancock has turned over, probley 1000 pups or more, every 1 in this game shud no off a least of a good 100 or more, that's bin top notch that fig his not to much to ask for shawly.. that leaves 90 percent bad one,s,,,.

 

Did you just think of some random numbers there mate and join them together with something resembling words??? Dunno where you get those figures from...what do you base these statistics on???

[tjones3862 3,423]

my maths or spelling his not good but I make up for it in the field,,lol I was trying to say iff hank produce,s a 1000 pups, over the years surely out of that number they shud be a good 100 well known dogs out there what made a top notch lurcher,,that's the best way I can put it,,, I realy do think iff he ever put a very well known dog across his collie cross,s folk wud flock there even more so,,,

[hawcroft 7]

Who has a Hancock dog that goes out regular throughout the winter running lots of game week in week out without any issues of picking there runs because like I said I only live 15 miles away from him which I could easily buy one but every one I've seen run when put under pressure have eased up ,but that's running lots of game not half dozen rabbit and think you've got a champion but that's just me.

[tjones3862 3,423]

Who has a Hancock dog that goes out regular throughout the winter running lots of game week in week out without any issues of picking there runs because like I said I only live 15 miles away from him which I could easily buy one but every one I've seen run when put under pressure have eased up ,but that's running lots of game not half dozen rabbit and think you've got a champion but that's just me.

 

its well known fact they like graft has much has me,, they will not have it, my mate got bite twice, the 1 st 1 he had, the 1st 2 seasons hit was brill, a little jealous of it iff truths known, [then] out of no were pulling off runs stalking and then it wud not run stuff under hit nose,,,,the dog become a pet the kids add took to it,,,,it was his 1st lurcher, he put it down to 1 of them things, then he went back to hank again, got a dog pup,,, this was like it come out the same mould,, gutterd was not the word for it,, the lad at to swing to the dog hit was made crazy for deer and the others,, so he stuck to what the dog was happy with,,,,but the dog wud not where rabbits /hares,,,,,,