Hancock Knockers,

[Dewclaw69 484]

never had a hancock dog but a good friend has. saw this dog work every week and its the best dog i've ever seen .

as for puppy peddling , he's a breeder . plenty more breeders of all kinds of dogs out there . but at least with one of his lurchers you know exactly whats in the lineage , which is more than can be said for most lurcher pups for sale . like the generation game trying to remember whats in em.

as for someone saying they'd never buy a pup they'd not seen work , any pup i'd brought on to work would never be sold

and just to clarify , i dont personally know hancock and i've never even met him. amazed at some of the opinions on here

[Poacherspocket 189]

Before I start I havnt got a dog of mr hancock but a few friends have and have also bred there working hancock dog. Same as in any litter there have been good ones and bad ones all depending in my opinion on the owner. With any dog it all depends in the owners patience and training and my mates have trained there lurchers well and swear by their hancock lurchers. But in my honest opinion and why I think mr hancock shouldnt be slated and why he is still running today is because a lot of people dont expect world beaters but what they want is a well looked after honest pups. How many people on here have been to look at a pup and cant honestly say what way the dog is bed. I know I cant. Id sooner by a dog off him than most. When I hear the word peddler I think of someone who breeds for money and isnt thinking of the digs well being and lies. Just my opinion but I think the guy needs a little bit of respect he wouldnt be here today if his dog's were that shit would he.

[Country Joe 1,411]

If its true, that pups that didnt sell, were PTS that would have been enough to stop me purchasing.

[paulus 26]

If its true, that pups that didnt sell, were PTS that would have been enough to stop me purchasing.

his adverts often state "Older pups sometimes available" A big allegation to band about without offering any proof ??

[Country Joe 1,411]

I agree Paulus,

Thats why i put if its true.

[C Hall 552]

With the amount of pups he breeds he is going to get weak or problem dogs, probably at times surplus pups what is he supposed to do with them?

[paulus 26]

I agree Paulus,

Thats why i put if its true.

its a lot like marmite like it or not it has a following that makes it financially viable

[birddog 1,354]

just catching up after weekend night shifts...............the first of a few points, i'll put it in question form so we can hopefully get a grown up response / discussion..........he has in the past admitted to putting pups down, if this still happens, is it not better to put an unwanted pup to sleep rather than have it join the free to good home, lurcher just starting type merrygoround where it will never settle or get a proper chance ?

 

my own answer...if i'd bred a pup that was punted from pillar to post i'd be heartbroken and given the time over, with the benefit of hindsight it would probably be fairer and kinder to put the pup down. it could be argued that if he didn't produce so many pups he wouldn't have leftovers, so to speak but none of us know the all facts and any of us who have ever bred a litter know how quickly puppy bookings fade into the shadows once the pups are on the ground

[sikastag_1 689]

Robs your right he's a breeder there's plenty more like him, and I'm sure there's pups worse off in their rearing but were talking about Hancock

 

Poachers you say you hate the word peddler as someone who breeds for money and doesn't care about the dogs well being? he puts to sleep a pup while churning out more, he would sell a pup to anyone, lads have said who have been to the kennels that they stunk of ammonia, and do you think the retired pup machines get a wee life in front of the fire?

 

C hall, were not talking about pups with problems these are just pups that didny sell from a litter, and I'm sure their chances are reduced even more when someone comes and there's a 14 week old pup there and 2 litters at 8 weeks.

 

Bird dog, Hancock doesn't give a feck if the pups are passed from pillar to post he doesn't know the people that come for a pup like iv said he'd sell to anyone you say what you've said like he's doing the pup a favour putting it to sleep while the mans churning out more, I must be missing something putting a pup to sleep because it didn't sell while breeding more. The question ain't is it not better a pup was put down that round the merry go round it is why was the pup bred in the first place and why is there more on the ground and more bitches lined. Why not say to someone iv got a pup here a bit older you can have free rather than pay whatever his price is? Because he doesn't give a feck about the dog only the money, I know I'd rather do that than pts a healthy pup

Edited June 10, 2013 by grant_c

[birddog 1,354]

my 1st ever phone call to him he spoke to me for around 40 minutes, what i'd like, what he has, what i'm like, indoors or outdoors, do i shoot, have i had collie x's before, what i expect from a lurcher etc. ......we can only speak from our own experience, i wouldn't call it vetting but i honestly think he was trying to match me with a dog that suited perhaps trying to ensure a good permanent home, surely it makes commercial / business sense to do that a satisfied customer will come back.......on the morality issue, the pups are there because thats his living, it's what he knows its what he does, in my opinion its far better to use a commercial breeder like him that knows his stock, rears them to the best of his abilities, he's done it for decades, honest intelligent knowledgable folk go back to him, he must be doing something right..........or would we be better using a backyard breeder...no intimate knowledge of his stock, no breeders licence, no guarantee of the breeding no experience rearing pups etc?......... how many of us are truly innocent here..............it could be argued that i'm profitting from people injured, in pain or unwell because i work for the ambulance service, it all depends on from where your looking....how many shops do we all use stock products mass produced using ammoral methods ?

 

as a wee post script, my 1st collie x came from a tenement flat in castlemilk in glasgow (i think at the time the biggest housing estate in europe), the bitch and pups were shut in a cupboard, a deerhound x was chained under the sink to stop it killing the pups, the place was like bosnia, i wasn't much more than a silly schoolboy and didn't know better but that was way long ago before hancock had started

[sikastag_1 689]

It can be polished whatever wayyou want birddog, like I said each to their own but you can type from now until September it won't change my mind, I think saying you make money from people because your in the ambulance service is a bit different and don't see what point that made, I wouldn't buy from a commercial breeder and I wouldn't buy from a "backyard breeder" with the same intentions of Hancock, I'd rather buy from a guy who's worked his dog, who's trained it to a high standard spent hundreads of hours in the field with it and who has thought enough of his pride and joy to line it with another dog he sees suitable for what he's looking for in the pup but that's just my opinion and its my right same as its your right to buy a pup from Hancock, like iv already said in no way am I slating the dogs, he mass produces so there will be good and bad and I would own a pup from a Hancock bred lurcher I'd even pay the same price if its what I'm looking for but I wouldn't give Hancock a penny because I think breeding dogs purely for profit is wrong especially when there's so many on that merry go round you were speaking of.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

"as a wee post script, my 1st collie x came from a tenement flat in castlemilk in glasgow (i think at the time the biggest housing estate in europe), the bitch and pups were shut in a cupboard, a deerhound x was chained under the sink to stop it killing the pups, the place was like bosnia, i wasn't much more than a silly schoolboy and didn't know better but that was way long ago before hancock had started"

 

 

 

 

That is a gruesome tale of woe there Birdog

[bird 9,898]

It can be polished whatever wayyou want birddog, like I said each to their own but you can type from now until September it won't change my mind, I think saying you make money from people because your in the ambulance service is a bit different and don't see what point that made, I wouldn't buy from a commercial breeder and I wouldn't buy from a "backyard breeder" with the same intentions of Hancock, I'd rather buy from a guy who's worked his dog, who's trained it to a high standard spent hundreads of hours in the field with it and who has thought enough of his pride and joy to line it with another dog he sees suitable for what he's looking for in the pup but that's just my opinion and its my right same as its your right to buy a pup from Hancock, like iv already said in no way am I slating the dogs, he mass produces so there will be good and bad and I would own a pup from a Hancock bred lurcher I'd even pay the same price if its what I'm looking for but I wouldn't give Hancock a penny because I think breeding dogs purely for profit is wrong especially when there's so many on that merry go round you were speaking of.

 

 

good thread, i suppose if you going for a 1x what ever the breeding (collie,bull,deerhound,etc...) you got to start some where, and people will go to him for that reason to get gen 1x collie x grey.But there are other 1x collie grey being bred its just finding them, prob bit more harder to get.Ive got a 1x collie x grey Bryn bred of a bloke on here (hawcroft) local bred dog .And he as been a great rabbit dog day+ night. And this the one thing ive found (very strange) regards 1x collie x greys, when people want to use a 1x collie x grey for stud, a dog like mine thats had Tons of rabbits in 6 years , and few have asked about him for stud. And yet people go to use hancocks studs that never been out of the kennels, and never caught even 1 rabbit .? For me what ever the dog (breed) i was going to use as a stud gundog, terrier, coursing dog,guard dog lurcher etc..) i would like to think its done some work,not stuck in a kennel 24/7 . As ive said i know people who had hancocks dogs and been happy with them, Blaze my old collie x grey i had (3/8 collie 5 /8 grey) was richard jones to a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie bitch from north wales, and he was good fox dog and ok on rabbits, but not as good as Bryn on rabbits as ive said on this post. you pay your money and take a chance with any pup ,its all luck you need with any pup you pick

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

It does seem strange that lads wishing to use a genuine Collie/Greyhound stud, or who fancy owning a Collie lurcher have not beaten a path to your door,.or indeed to the doors of other men, who regularly work and use such jukels...

 

I suppose this only goes to show, the amazing power and influence,.. of advertising,...

[inan 841]

I have bought of Hancock, and there again I have bought of Phil Lloyd. I saw no difference in the condition of each of the pups. Each pup had been well fed and looked after. The kennels at Hancocks place were clean, infact I would say cleaner than the rest of the place. I did decline the kind offer of a cup of tea when paying for the pup.

 

While the pup from Phil was from a one off mating, All I knew about the pup was he was out of Speckle from another collie cross of pedigree unknown to me. With the Hancock pup I knew what I had parentage wise.

 

There is no way that someone could continue in business for 30 years if he was doing things wrong. The reason he has survived this long is because he can produce what he states at a reasonable cost. IMHO if you eat battery eggs or mass produced poultry, then you have no right to critisise Hancock, because even though he farms his pups they are kept in far better conditions.

 

Just my take on Hancock.

 

TC

I've had Hancock dogs, the one in my avatar was out of Chuckles, he gave me good service.

The crucial difference between the two pups you mentioned would be that Speckle could be seen working on video,and impressive she was too.Pups out of her were at least out of a proven good worker.

You do get a pup with verifiable breeding from Hancock , but its parents working abilities have to be taken on spec .

 

If I was in the market for a biddable rabbiting companion,I think I would go to someone of Phil Lloyd's stamp , some one who would be breeding from a very tried and tested bitch to get a replacement for her down the line.

At the end of the day you pays your money and takes your choice.