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desertbred, something I find annoying is how you flippantly dismiss notions of inequality to women in Iran and by doing so you insult these women. Iran does allow women to be educated, but they are restricted on what they can learn at university, they are restricted in number for other courses and they work in segregated conditions, which I doubt is for the women's benefit...

 

I won't go in to any other detail about how the Koran represents women as you must know it, so why deny it? Also what do you think the Koran says about gays and Jews?

 

This isn't personal, you sound a lot more reasonable than most people questioning you. I despise the religion not the people, like a mental illness I would understand someone is delusional and not able to think properly if they had a brain tumor and can be forgiven when they are cured.

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The Qran says that an apostate who turns away from his faith is manafiq which means none believer, if he then returns to his faith he is accepted back if he again turns away from his faith he then becomes a muttahid and there is no way back he will answer to Allah on the day of judgement if he lives his life then live it if he tries to turn others away from thier faith then the prescribed punishment is death and yes I accept that. If a Christian is attacked the Bible says turn the other cheek and let the assailant slap that also do Christians do that or do they cherry pick as you call it? In Islam it says if you are attacked then defend yourself no turn the other cheek so pretty clear and straight forward. I am about as far from being westernised as you can get my life is lived according to my faith which is Islam. When you read the Qran you do not pick out isolated verses you read several together and then cross reference them with other revelations in other verses and chapters this is where the Ayatollahs who spend thier entire lives studying the Qran get thier understanding The Mullahs and radicals like the ones you have experience of here in the west have very little knowledge or education and are certainly brainwashed at a young age. Most of the Islamic Scholars I know have studied and have equal knowledge of Qran , Bible Jewish Torah Sikh Garunth etc so they are not speaking from lack of knowledge. The regulat Verse quoted id kill the infidel this is clearly if they make war on you or attack you no where is a Muslim told to commit terrorism or make war without just cause which invariably would involve an attack on Islam The Prophet or the Muslim people. You people keep asking me questions then when I explain to the best of my ability I am then accused of pushing Islam down peoples throats or defending terrorism so my answer to you is a question who does the cherry picking? The books the other Sects use are basically four scholars these four scholars all studied under A shia scholar Called Imam jaffar Sadiq so again you are attempting to teach me my own faith or the history to it which unfortunately you are not able to do.. If you want to continue with this take it to PM.

 

 

This is the first reply I have had from you so I have never said you are forcing Islam down my throat, I am asking because I am interested in your answers but would be happy to pm if you want a chat, as I am thinking about reading the Koran and the Bible thoroughly to understand what the hell is going on in people's minds.

Christian's cherry pick worse than Muslims in my opinion, that was my point, as most Christians don't believe in the literal creation story or Noah's ark etc but it is hard to find a Muslim who wouldn't take literally that Muhammad flew to heaven on a horse for example. I have never met a Muslim who can't recite the Koran in Arabic either, even if they have no idea what they are saying which is disturbing to me.

 

I am not trying to teach you your own culture, I am saying you have a bias point of view of your own culture. For example you might think other Muslims are as nice and tolerant as you, but try living as a white atheist in a Muslim community like I have and you will see things very different. I lived a couple of miles from the biggest mosque in Europe and had good Muslims friends who would warn me not to walk around there on my own because of what they get preached. I was looked and treated like shit by almost everyone and I think if I didn't have my dog with me (as they would run a mile) I could have been in a lot of trouble a number of times.

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desertbred, something I find annoying is how you flippantly dismiss notions of inequality to women in Iran and by doing so you insult these women. Iran does allow women to be educated, but they are restricted on what they can learn at university, they are restricted in number for other courses and they work in segregated conditions, which I doubt is for the women's benefit...

 

I won't go in to any other detail about how the Koran represents women as you must know it, so why deny it? Also what do you think the Koran says about gays and Jews?

 

This isn't personal, you sound a lot more reasonable than most people questioning you. I despise the religion not the people, like a mental illness I would understand someone is delusional and not able to think properly if they had a brain tumor and can be forgiven when they are cured.

In Iran our women all do national service they are milatary trained and allowed to fight on the front line to defend our country. My Aunties My wife her sisters my dauughters and all my female cousins are educated and work as Doctors, Engineers, Journalists, Teachers, Professional soldiers etc so how are they not educated if by educated you mean getting pregnant at 14 working in jobs that dont even pay minimum wage treated as objects as appears here then you have a lot to learn you dont know what life entails only what you read in books or see in documentaries incedently most news papers and media are controlled by who so its obvious where the biased viewpoint comes from as for Gays its the west that permits gay marriage which in itself would be nice to see a poll on here what westeners think of gay marriage I asked you if you want to continue go to PM you seem intent on monopolising the forum to take sniper shots at islam or me or Iran your arguments and points do not bear scrutiny
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The Qran says that an apostate who turns away from his faith is manafiq which means none believer, if he then returns to his faith he is accepted back if he again turns away from his faith he then becomes a muttahid and there is no way back he will answer to Allah on the day of judgement if he lives his life then live it if he tries to turn others away from thier faith then the prescribed punishment is death and yes I accept that. If a Christian is attacked the Bible says turn the other cheek and let the assailant slap that also do Christians do that or do they cherry pick as you call it? In Islam it says if you are attacked then defend yourself no turn the other cheek so pretty clear and straight forward. I am about as far from being westernised as you can get my life is lived according to my faith which is Islam. When you read the Qran you do not pick out isolated verses you read several together and then cross reference them with other revelations in other verses and chapters this is where the Ayatollahs who spend thier entire lives studying the Qran get thier understanding The Mullahs and radicals like the ones you have experience of here in the west have very little knowledge or education and are certainly brainwashed at a young age. Most of the Islamic Scholars I know have studied and have equal knowledge of Qran , Bible Jewish Torah Sikh Garunth etc so they are not speaking from lack of knowledge. The regulat Verse quoted id kill the infidel this is clearly if they make war on you or attack you no where is a Muslim told to commit terrorism or make war without just cause which invariably would involve an attack on Islam The Prophet or the Muslim people. You people keep asking me questions then when I explain to the best of my ability I am then accused of pushing Islam down peoples throats or defending terrorism so my answer to you is a question who does the cherry picking? The books the other Sects use are basically four scholars these four scholars all studied under A shia scholar Called Imam jaffar Sadiq so again you are attempting to teach me my own faith or the history to it which unfortunately you are not able to do.. If you want to continue with this take it to PM.

 

This is the first reply I have had from you so I have never said you are forcing Islam down my throat, I am asking because I am interested in your answers but would be happy to pm if you want a chat, as I am thinking about reading the Koran and the Bible thoroughly to understand what the hell is going on in people's minds.

Christian's cherry pick worse than Muslims in my opinion, that was my point, as most Christians don't believe in the literal creation story or Noah's ark etc but it is hard to find a Muslim who wouldn't take literally that Muhammad flew to heaven on a horse for example. I have never met a Muslim who can't recite the Koran in Arabic either, even if they have no idea what they are saying which is disturbing to me.

 

I am not trying to teach you your own culture, I am saying you have a bias point of view of your own culture. For example you might think other Muslims are as nice and tolerant as you, but try living as a white atheist in a Muslim community like I have and you will see things very different. I lived a couple of miles from the biggest mosque in Europe and had good Muslims friends who would warn me not to walk around there on my own because of what they get preached. I was looked and treated like shit by almost everyone and I think if I didn't have my dog with me (as they would run a mile) I could have been in a lot of trouble a number of times.

 

If you suffered at the hands of Muslims as you say then I do honestly apologise for thier behaviour I assume you are either around Bradford or London so if you want to walki n any Muslim area I will gladly accompany you which to me is also not acceptable that people cant go about thier daily lives without fear or apprehension as for Dogs many say they are not permitted Islam is clear a working or hunting dog is permitted I my self and myfamily have had and still do keep dogs here and in Asia
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desertbred, something I find annoying is how you flippantly dismiss notions of inequality to women in Iran and by doing so you insult these women. Iran does allow women to be educated, but they are restricted on what they can learn at university, they are restricted in number for other courses and they work in segregated conditions, which I doubt is for the women's benefit...

 

I won't go in to any other detail about how the Koran represents women as you must know it, so why deny it? Also what do you think the Koran says about gays and Jews?

 

This isn't personal, you sound a lot more reasonable than most people questioning you. I despise the religion not the people, like a mental illness I would understand someone is delusional and not able to think properly if they had a brain tumor and can be forgiven when they are cured.

In Iran our women all do national service they are milatary trained and allowed to fight on the front line to defend our country. My Aunties My wife her sisters my dauughters and all my female cousins are educated and work as Doctors, Engineers, Journalists, Teachers, Professional soldiers etc so how are they not educated if by educated you mean getting pregnant at 14 working in jobs that dont even pay minimum wage treated as objects as appears here then you have a lot to learn you dont know what life entails only what you read in books or see in documentaries incedently most news papers and media are controlled by who so its obvious where the biased viewpoint comes from as for Gays its the west that permits gay marriage which in itself would be nice to see a poll on here what westeners think of gay marriage I asked you if you want to continue go to PM you seem intent on monopolising the forum to take sniper shots at islam or me or Iran your arguments and points do not bear scrutiny

 

 

I didn't see your pm request until after i sent that, but as mentioned there is no need to get personal. Iranian women do NOT have equal rights to men, that is a fact not worth ignoring because they are unequal due to Islam. Good for your family if they get what they want, maybe those professions weren't forbidden to them or they were fortunate enough to apply before the threshold where only men were allowed...Whatever people think about gay marriage is irrelevant I was talking about gay people, as you know that Islam treats homosexuality as a punishable offense and can be killed.

 

You don't know me or what my life experiences are, why jump to conclusions and get defensive? You can question anything you want about my beliefs I am confident enough that I can retort or change my mind if I am wrong, what's there to get pissy about?

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desertbred, something I find annoying is how you flippantly dismiss notions of inequality to women in Iran and by doing so you insult these women. Iran does allow women to be educated, but they are restricted on what they can learn at university, they are restricted in number for other courses and they work in segregated conditions, which I doubt is for the women's benefit...

 

I won't go in to any other detail about how the Koran represents women as you must know it, so why deny it? Also what do you think the Koran says about gays and Jews?

 

This isn't personal, you sound a lot more reasonable than most people questioning you. I despise the religion not the people, like a mental illness I would understand someone is delusional and not able to think properly if they had a brain tumor and can be forgiven when they are cured.

In Iran our women all do national service they are milatary trained and allowed to fight on the front line to defend our country. My Aunties My wife her sisters my dauughters and all my female cousins are educated and work as Doctors, Engineers, Journalists, Teachers, Professional soldiers etc so how are they not educated if by educated you mean getting pregnant at 14 working in jobs that dont even pay minimum wage treated as objects as appears here then you have a lot to learn you dont know what life entails only what you read in books or see in documentaries incedently most news papers and media are controlled by who so its obvious where the biased viewpoint comes from as for Gays its the west that permits gay marriage which in itself would be nice to see a poll on here what westeners think of gay marriage I asked you if you want to continue go to PM you seem intent on monopolising the forum to take sniper shots at islam or me or Iran your arguments and points do not bear scrutiny

 

I didn't see your pm request until after i sent that, but as mentioned there is no need to get personal. Iranian women do NOT have equal rights to men, that is a fact not worth ignoring because they are unequal due to Islam. Good for your family if they get what they want, maybe those professions weren't forbidden to them or they were fortunate enough to apply before the threshold where only men were allowed...Whatever people think about gay marriage is irrelevant I was talking about gay people, as you know that Islam treats homosexuality as a punishable offense and can be killed.

 

You don't know me or what my life experiences are, why jump to conclusions and get defensive? You can question anything you want about my beliefs I am confident enough that I can retort or change my mind if I am wrong, what's there to get pissy about?

 

I have pointed out about the females in my family in Iran and there are many more like me Even Ali AKhbar Rafsanjani who was President his Daughter runs an anti goverment news paper in Iran so you concept of iran is wrong you appear to glean most of your information from what we term Raza people the supporters of the old shah of Persia whos idea of an islamic state was similar to Dubai or even Turkey Edited by desertbred
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The Qran says that an apostate who turns away from his faith is manafiq which means none believer, if he then returns to his faith he is accepted back if he again turns away from his faith he then becomes a muttahid and there is no way back he will answer to Allah on the day of judgement if he lives his life then live it if he tries to turn others away from thier faith then the prescribed punishment is death and yes I accept that. If a Christian is attacked the Bible says turn the other cheek and let the assailant slap that also do Christians do that or do they cherry pick as you call it? In Islam it says if you are attacked then defend yourself no turn the other cheek so pretty clear and straight forward. I am about as far from being westernised as you can get my life is lived according to my faith which is Islam. When you read the Qran you do not pick out isolated verses you read several together and then cross reference them with other revelations in other verses and chapters this is where the Ayatollahs who spend thier entire lives studying the Qran get thier understanding The Mullahs and radicals like the ones you have experience of here in the west have very little knowledge or education and are certainly brainwashed at a young age. Most of the Islamic Scholars I know have studied and have equal knowledge of Qran , Bible Jewish Torah Sikh Garunth etc so they are not speaking from lack of knowledge. The regulat Verse quoted id kill the infidel this is clearly if they make war on you or attack you no where is a Muslim told to commit terrorism or make war without just cause which invariably would involve an attack on Islam The Prophet or the Muslim people. You people keep asking me questions then when I explain to the best of my ability I am then accused of pushing Islam down peoples throats or defending terrorism so my answer to you is a question who does the cherry picking? The books the other Sects use are basically four scholars these four scholars all studied under A shia scholar Called Imam jaffar Sadiq so again you are attempting to teach me my own faith or the history to it which unfortunately you are not able to do.. If you want to continue with this take it to PM.

 

This is the first reply I have had from you so I have never said you are forcing Islam down my throat, I am asking because I am interested in your answers but would be happy to pm if you want a chat, as I am thinking about reading the Koran and the Bible thoroughly to understand what the hell is going on in people's minds.

Christian's cherry pick worse than Muslims in my opinion, that was my point, as most Christians don't believe in the literal creation story or Noah's ark etc but it is hard to find a Muslim who wouldn't take literally that Muhammad flew to heaven on a horse for example. I have never met a Muslim who can't recite the Koran in Arabic either, even if they have no idea what they are saying which is disturbing to me.

 

I am not trying to teach you your own culture, I am saying you have a bias point of view of your own culture. For example you might think other Muslims are as nice and tolerant as you, but try living as a white atheist in a Muslim community like I have and you will see things very different. I lived a couple of miles from the biggest mosque in Europe and had good Muslims friends who would warn me not to walk around there on my own because of what they get preached. I was looked and treated like shit by almost everyone and I think if I didn't have my dog with me (as they would run a mile) I could have been in a lot of trouble a number of times.

 

If you suffered at the hands of Muslims as you say then I do honestly apologise for thier behaviour I assume you are either around Bradford or London so if you want to walki n any Muslim area I will gladly accompany you which to me is also not acceptable that people cant go about thier daily lives without fear or apprehension as for Dogs many say they are not permitted Islam is clear a working or hunting dog is permitted I my self and myfamily have had and still do keep dogs here and in Asia

 

 

Not there anymore matey, it was Keighley by the way, near Bradford. It is not for you to apologise for people who happen to share your faith, they don't represent you and you don't represent them, I am happy to treat all religions and people the same but I have both lived it, read and seen in documentaries that there seems to be a bigger issue with Muslims and how they view non-muslims than with Buddhists for example. There are issues with Christians doing the same in the USA and when polled would rather vote for a Muslim than an atheist president.

 

Anyway Pm me if you want I will keep anything you say private, on my word.

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I will not say anything in private I wouldnt say on an open forum why I said PM is so other people can post and discuss thier own topics.As for USA they voted for a man who doesnt know what he is he says his Father is Muslim hence his middle name yet he also says he is christian and is a man of peace lol he is the same as George Bush

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I honestly couldn't give a f**k if they raped goats and supported rangers. They are fighting back. Wasn't it us who trained these c**ts up to fight the Russians? You reap what you sow. I'm not saying I don't hate the b*****ds I do, I just understand where they are coming from and it ain't all there fault.

Yes thats fine mate....i totally agree in what your saying. If some country decided they wanted to stick there army in our country and dictate what we done i'm sure we would stick up for ourselves, as do they in there own country. Well do that....in your own country. Dont get a free pass over here spouting your hate. I mean i cant see anything easier than rounding these c**ts up and shipping them out.....its not rocket science. If they want to try and get into our country and kill us then i thought thats why we have armed forces to protect ourselves?

Totally agree lab. You got to ask why is it not happening. Me, personally, the government love us living in fear. It makes us support them invading places. We are just pawns mate, spoon fed whatever they want us to know. The mps don't live in poverty areas etc etc, they don't live in fear. They lived in fear of the Ira and made sure they brought that conflict to an end, until this lot do the same, fuckall will happen.

 

Bring the troops home.....station them all around the UK. Imagine the deterent that would be to things like crime......groups of marines positioned all over the country....at sports grounds, shopping centres, airports, train stations, at every port....basically anywhere thats public. Anyone preaching hate could be dealt with straight away....no questions asked. I mean if places like Afghanistan couldnt look after there own then what the f**k has that got too do with us?

 

we have the police force and security firms for all that mate...........most ex soldiers i no love the touring and frontline action.........thats why they join...........cant really imagine any marines talking about guarding shopping centres.......... :blink:

 

Of course they like touring.....get paid to go around the world. You join the army to protect this country and if that means patrolling the streets then so be it..If another country decides to invade us then its time to fight ..Maybe you know a few folk who love the thrill of war but i'm sure theres thousands more that wish they had never been at the heart of it.

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Any person who gets a thrill or enjoyment from conflict would be a liability and certainly should undergo psychiatric assessmant carrying out your duties as a professional soldier is one thing enjoying death and destruction is something else what is the saying " ours is not to wonder why ours is but to do or die "doesnt mention enjoying it.

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Desertbred what you have got to understand is what i would call TRUE Brits are at breaking point.

They have had a Gutful of Islamic Extreemists abusing Soldiers coming home on BRITISH SOIL, Spitting at them ect ect

 

They have had enough of Hate Preachers and their Supporters Spouting Bile Racist Remarks, Condoneinmg Beheadings, Violence ect ect.

 

They have had Enough of Islamists being put before them.

 

And Now hopefully the straw that breaks the Camels back ( pardon the pun )

The slaughter of Lee Rigby on OUR OWN streets' a serving British Soldier.

 

Tell me honestly is a White Western Christian or a Group of Us went to say Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia ect ect and Tried any of the above what Exactly would happen to them ?

 

I think i know but would like to hear it from you.

 

And lastly any where there is Religious Perverted Violence in the World its perputrated by Muslims.

 

Enough said '

 

The Thing is the Slaughter of Lee Rigby has awoken the British Lion and if you's lot push it too far i think you's Finish second best by a long way.

 

Its the Peaceful Muslims i feel sorry for.

 

I just wish more would stand up Publicly against the likes of Hamza and Choudoroy ect

To answer your question in an islamic state if a crime was commited such as the murder of Lee Rigby by anyone irrespective of race or religion they would be put on trial and if convicted put to death no ifs and buts, I also do not accept the statements issued by c**ts like Anjum Choudhry, Abu Hamza, Abu Qatadar etc these are pariahs and should be sent to a country that still has the death penalty. I am Muslim born and bred and will be untill I die that doesnt mean I accept the abuse of islam by these hate filled preachers or the radicalisation of the young just as I dont accept unjust and bullshit attacks on my faith by people who are radicalised by the racist and facist parties who brain wash young kids for the anti islam purposes. I understand perfectly the anger and disgust felt by many people over events that are linked to islam some are justified but the majority are for acts commited by c**ts who would be c**ts no matter what religion or colour of thier skin. Crimes happen in every society look at the divisions in Ireland between the Protestants and Catholics were all the people North and South of the Border responsible for that? Faith or religion or non religion should be for every man woman and child thier own choice for them to follow no doubt conflict happens because of religious belief and intolerance but even more intolerance will not solve the conflicts I call a spade a spade if its wrong its wrong and you will not find me defending anyone who thinks that human life of anyone is not worth anything, These Terror endorsing Muslim preachers and I use the word Muslim with difficulty should be deported asap and if by birth they cant be then intern the c**ts for the Duration or the rest of thier lives if needed. The ones who cry human rights and free speech must also be condoning these actions of these people from any group so apply the law to them also. if a law isnt available then draft one that is what Goverments are supposed to do isnt it? All I say is that justice is for all not dependant on skin pigmentation or bigotary

 

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To answer your question in an islamic state if a crime was commited such as the murder of Lee Rigby by anyone irrespective of race or religion they would be put on trial and if convicted put to death no ifs and buts

 

 

If you think they would get a trial then you are seriously deluded.The likely scenario is that they would be murdered in the street and there would be no trial.

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Desertbred what you have got to understand is what i would call TRUE Brits are at breaking point.

They have had a Gutful of Islamic Extreemists abusing Soldiers coming home on BRITISH SOIL, Spitting at them ect ect

 

They have had enough of Hate Preachers and their Supporters Spouting Bile Racist Remarks, Condoneinmg Beheadings, Violence ect ect.

 

They have had Enough of Islamists being put before them.

 

And Now hopefully the straw that breaks the Camels back ( pardon the pun )

The slaughter of Lee Rigby on OUR OWN streets' a serving British Soldier.

 

Tell me honestly is a White Western Christian or a Group of Us went to say Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Malaysia ect ect and Tried any of the above what Exactly would happen to them ?

 

I think i know but would like to hear it from you.

 

And lastly any where there is Religious Perverted Violence in the World its perputrated by Muslims.

 

Enough said '

 

The Thing is the Slaughter of Lee Rigby has awoken the British Lion and if you's lot push it too far i think you's Finish second best by a long way.

 

Its the Peaceful Muslims i feel sorry for.

 

I just wish more would stand up Publicly against the likes of Hamza and Choudoroy ect

To answer your question in an islamic state if a crime was commited such as the murder of Lee Rigby by anyone irrespective of race or religion they would be put on trial and if convicted put to death no ifs and buts, I also do not accept the statements issued by c**ts like Anjum Choudhry, Abu Hamza, Abu Qatadar etc these are pariahs and should be sent to a country that still has the death penalty. I am Muslim born and bred and will be untill I die that doesnt mean I accept the abuse of islam by these hate filled preachers or the radicalisation of the young just as I dont accept unjust and bullshit attacks on my faith by people who are radicalised by the racist and facist parties who brain wash young kids for the anti islam purposes. I understand perfectly the anger and disgust felt by many people over events that are linked to islam some are justified but the majority are for acts commited by c**ts who would be c**ts no matter what religion or colour of thier skin. Crimes happen in every society look at the divisions in Ireland between the Protestants and Catholics were all the people North and South of the Border responsible for that? Faith or religion or non religion should be for every man woman and child thier own choice for them to follow no doubt conflict happens because of religious belief and intolerance but even more intolerance will not solve the conflicts I call a spade a spade if its wrong its wrong and you will not find me defending anyone who thinks that human life of anyone is not worth anything, These Terror endorsing Muslim preachers and I use the word Muslim with difficulty should be deported asap and if by birth they cant be then intern the c**ts for the Duration or the rest of thier lives if needed. The ones who cry human rights and free speech must also be condoning these actions of these people from any group so apply the law to them also. if a law isnt available then draft one that is what Goverments are supposed to do isnt it? All I say is that justice is for all not dependant on skin pigmentation or bigotary

 

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To answer your question in an islamic state if a crime was commited such as the murder of Lee Rigby by anyone irrespective of race or religion they would be put on trial and if convicted put to death no ifs and buts

 

 

If you think they would get a trial then you are seriously deluded.The likely scenario is that they would be murdered in the street and there would be no trial.

 

I see you must suppiort BWFC so I will excuse your stupidity LOL

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looks like Lebanon is now getting involved in the Syrian crisis with hezbollah freedom fighters joining government forces to take the town of Qusayr, Effectively signalling Lebanon`s entry into the crisis in Syria.

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