rob284 1,682 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 If its 100% theres no problems in my eyes. Quote Link to post
dev 227 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 the undershot dog by a mile. the other wouldnt even be considered. breeding for good mouths ,or any other physical attribute over working abiliby is ok for ratters or "sporting terriers" but for proper terrier work you need to breed from dogs who have the minerals. 6 Quote Link to post
aaron01 737 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 the undershot dog by a mile. the other wouldnt even be considered. breeding for good mouths ,or any other physical attribute over working abiliby is ok for ratters or "sporting terriers" but for proper terrier work you need to breed from dogs who have the minerals. Couldn't agree more its all about the minerals in working them for dogs and owners Quote Link to post
Nick 14 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Have seen bulldogs, staffs and dogo's with undershot mouths that where/are 200% workingdogs and would not think twice to breed from them. Only concern would be if the undershot mouth is undershot too much as this would weaken the bite.A little undershot is even considert to be more powerfull then a scissor bite. Overshot is a bigger fault as that weakens a bite, I would never breed from a overshot dog myself. 2 Quote Link to post
WILF 47,481 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (THIS IS STRICTLY HYPOTHETICAL,I'M JUST CURIOUS,CAUSE I KNOW MANY WHO WON'T CONSIDER AN UNDERSHOT DOG EXCEPT AS AN ABSOLUTELY LAST RESORT) Which would you prefer?A good,solid, reliable working terrier that was undershot OR a conformation perfect,so-so worker? The undershot dog,is not grotesquely undershot,to the point it is a problem for him,just noticeably undershot,but a proven dog. The conformation perfect dog is flawless in appearance,perfect scissor bite,but again,so-so.Will locate,BUT not get too involved with the quarry. Each dog throws these same traits to it's offspring consistently.You will get ready to go,undershot pups,OR perfect lookers,lacking bottom. (myself,I'd prefer a perfect specimen that worked like a machine,but between the 2 I mentioned,I'd choose the undershot dog without a thought) uru One of the best dogs I ever seen was an undershot dog called Tilly bred by Glynn off this site...... 1 Quote Link to post
jawn 449 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 If your breeding workers the decision seems obvious......But pay now.... pay later??? If it's your line of dogs... sooner or later you'll pay... either way. 1 Quote Link to post
Peter Leemooch 160 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 also look at it from breeding point you would rather breed off a less than perfect mouth good worker than a perfect mouth but poor worker Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 who first stated that a scissor bite is perfect and a undershot mouth was a fault ? the SHOW people, A undershoot dog within reason is as healthy and as able to do its job as any scissor bite, I've known terriers which have been undershoot stay to ground for days, kill foxes like mice (pre-ban) feed, groom and reproduce with no help whats so ever, I've seen terriers with scissor bites do all the same things, but I've also seen Terriers with a Scissor bite with weak thin muzzles and jaws, as longs as your dog can do the job it was breed to do, a under bite or a scissor bite won't matter, BREED from workers if they have lived long enough to be breed from then the length of there jaw has no relevance 6 Quote Link to post
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) a good looking dog that grafts quickly looses its good looks so they don't stay good looking for long if it does keep its good looks then its not up to scratch as a good grafter, and the quarry types will determine the war wounds if yas know what im getting at. Edited June 11, 2013 by BIG G wheton machine 1 Quote Link to post
fat man 4,741 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 a good looking dog that grafts quickly looses its good looks so they don't stay good looking for long if it does keep its good looks then its not up to scratch as a good grafter, and the quarry types will determine the war wounds if yas know what im getting at. That's a bold statement BGWM as there are a lot of lads on here that will say the opposite,a sounder beats a head on type anyday but then again everyone has there own opinion,i would have to side with you,who gives a flying fook what it looks like aslong as it does what it was bred for. 1 Quote Link to post
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 a good looking dog that grafts quickly looses its good looks so they don't stay good looking for long if it does keep its good looks then its not up to scratch as a good grafter, and the quarry types will determine the war wounds if yas know what im getting at. That's a bold statement BGWM as there are a lot of lads on here that will say the opposite,a sounder beats a head on type anyday but then again everyone has there own opinion,i would have to side with you,who gives a flying fook what it looks like aslong as it does what it was bred for. don't get me wrong mate I like a sounder the best but it has to be willing to stand its ground when ever the time comes ie breakthrough when quarry will try and push past or digging to experienced quarry that's standing its ground and wont be pushed. its no good having a sounder that's going to get bullied and pushed about below ground because it gives the quarry too much room to dig on or run the earths if it wont bolt so if its a good sounder its still gona get tagged a few times 2 Quote Link to post
uru 341 Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) . Edited September 15, 2017 by uru Quote Link to post
jawn 449 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 So then...for the sake of argument.... all things being equal between the only two pups from your litter EXCEPT one is undershot... it all comes down to eenie meenie miney moe in the event you can only keep one? I too have seen undershot dogs do as well as any, and give them the credit they are due. But who here would choose the undershot dog on the idea that there is no difference? I wouldn't....... 2 Quote Link to post
uru 341 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) . Edited September 15, 2017 by uru Quote Link to post
jawn 449 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I was under the impression this was purely hypothetical.. . and only wanted to take it a step further to hopefully illustrate a point and maybe learn a little.... Seems to me the answer of which dog gets the work is an easy one......It doesn't seem as easy when it comes to which to breed. I guess I'd have probably looked for a third option. IF in-fact a scissor bite isn't preferrable to a undershot or wry one from a working perspective... then we'll see that people would choose whithout regard for bite and this guy will have made the wrong decision. In either case.... I just thought it was a cool topic and wanted to see what others thought. Edited June 12, 2013 by jawn Quote Link to post
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