Putting Your Hand Up To Your Dog When Its Done Wrong

[Casso 1,261]

 

What can I say lads , you've got this dog stuff figured out

The only thing I can't grasp is why the dog keeps falling out of line

Your obviously top dog so why doesn't the mutt understand that

But then again it's a lot easier to blame everything on the mutt then to try and figure out what's really going on.

 

I have a 6 year dog which was a pleasure to train from being a puppy I never had to clip or beat him in anyway until he was 5 year old raised my voice at him a few times bribed him with treats to get him to do as I wanted When he was 5 his half brother attacked him for no reason he took a bad beating and hardly fought back but no real damage was caused TBH. Untill then this dog had never had a fight or even growled at another dog in anger but little did I know he was holding a grudge against his half brother for the beating he had been given for no reason. About 3 months later they bumped into one another while running about and all hell broke the 6 year old was giving his half brother a right pasting with no intention of stopping I had to give a dog which I had never raised a hand to in the past a good scolding to make him stop his half brother spent 3 weeks healing up and it would of been a lot worse if I had only of been raising my voice. Now fook off and preach your bullshit to someone else

 

Ok kid,

[C Hall 552]

 

Ok kid,

 

 

Thankyou its at the very least 25 year since someone called me that. You really do think your a cut above the rest of us don't ya? with your tug toys

Edited June 4, 2013 by C Hall

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MATE.

SEEN A FEW NAMES ON THIS THREAD WHO COME OUT OF HIBERNATION.

NO ALL FXXK ALL,S.

SALUKI OR LAKELAND OR POMERANIAN.

A BOOT IN THE ARSE AND A ROLLOKING WORKS WITH ANY TYPE OF DOG.

DOG NEEDS TO NO WHO THE GAFFER IS.

SALUKI IGNORANT XS IF THEY DONT COME IN WAILK AWAY AND WHEN THEY DO COME IN HUNT THEM TO FXXK.

BREED IN A GUILT TRIP THEY DONT LIKE BEING IGNORED THEMSELVES AND HUNTED AWAY .THEYLL WALK 10 FT BEHIND ALL DAY IN A HUFF.

BUT ILL TELL YOU THE NEXT HARE THAT GETS UP YOUR HUFF N PUFF WILL NAIL IT TO THE WALL TO TRY AND GET BACK IN YOUR GOOD BOOKS.

IF ITS A HARE DOG THAT IS.

DO IT TO ALL MY DOGS..

AND BY A YEAR OLD I DONT NEED TO PISS ABOUT WITH ARSEHXXE NUGGET PUPS EXTRACTING THE URINE.

IF YOUR DOG TAKES THE PISS OUT YOU ITS YOUR FAULT.

NEVER LET THEM PERIOD.

[nothernlite 18,089]

ALRIGHT MATE.

SEEN A FEW NAMES ON THIS THREAD WHO COME OUT OF HIBERNATION.

NO ALL FXXK ALL,S.

SALUKI OR LAKELAND OR POMERANIAN.

A BOOT IN THE ARSE AND A ROLLOKING WORKS WITH ANY TYPE OF DOG.

DOG NEEDS TO NO WHO THE GAFFER IS.

SALUKI IGNORANT XS IF THEY DONT COME IN WAILK AWAY AND WHEN THEY DO COME IN HUNT THEM TO FXXK.

BREED IN A GUILT TRIP THEY DONT LIKE BEING IGNORED THEMSELVES AND HUNTED AWAY .THEYLL WALK 10 FT BEHIND ALL DAY IN A HUFF.

BUT ILL TELL YOU THE NEXT HARE THAT GETS UP YOUR HUFF N PUFF WILL NAIL IT TO THE WALL TO TRY AND GET BACK IN YOUR GOOD BOOKS.

IF ITS A HARE DOG THAT IS.

DO IT TO ALL MY DOGS..

AND BY A YEAR OLD I DONT NEED TO PISS ABOUT WITH ARSEHXXE NUGGET PUPS EXTRACTING THE URINE.

IF YOUR DOG TAKES THE PISS OUT YOU ITS YOUR FAULT.

NEVER LET THEM PERIOD.

great way to treat your dogs give them a kick well done your the man ffs

Edited June 5, 2013 by nothernlite

[Casso 1,261]

C hall has brought up an interesting point and one that escaped my attention , thanks to him

And that is the one of giving a dog a correction

 

To manage a pup till he gets to a certain age and don't confront him over mouthing or any of that other pup related actions because at that age he drawn to make contact via his mouth if you think about it , what else can he make contact with?

He is emotionally attached to us with more force than he can mentally deal with, that is there is no thinking involved its all a feeling of attraction

 

At no point on this thread did I say you can't give a dog a correction

 

My point has always been that I don't do the pack leader stuff and I don't beat or kick the mutt to keep it in line or achieve respect or whatever the reasons are , most of which are out of frustration

 

I give a dog a correction when he is mature enough to feel the force of drive at that point he is responsible for his own actions

 

The point been that a correction given in drive is easily learnt , a dog in drive is processing information at the speed of light , it's the mindset developed for learning the dog is eager to learn commands that can lead to his goal , the dog will take on board commands and act them out if it leads to working in tandom with us ,this will come easier to collie bred dogs quicker that others

 

So the trick is to give the correction while the dog is in drive I use the command No if I'm working on a blind retrieve and the dog is searching in the wrong spot or does a wrong action or gets up to early from a down because then the correction tells the mutt what he's doing is wrong , there is no success in proceeding with what hes doing and he will cease and look for other instruction

 

The No then can be used elsewhere because we have established there is no future in doing that action he is doing ,it doesnt make me happy and it brings his attention back to me

 

A dog given a cold correction is a threatening behaviour and it stands on it own as a threatening behaviour,

[C Hall 552]

Casso are you agreeing in certain situations dogs do sometimes need to be physically chastised?

Edited June 5, 2013 by C Hall

[paulsmithy83 567]

Casso are you agreeing in certain situations dogs do sometimes need to be physically chastised?

Only took us said numba of pages

[Casso 1,261]

Casso are you agreeing in certain situations dogs do sometimes need to be physically chastised?

No

People may feel they want to do it and at times it would be more gratifying to land one on him

 

But my point is that if you keep a pup social and manage it without coming into conflict until it gets to a stage where it understands you are it's access to everything hunting wise the dog will control itself to fit with you but to do this it has to tune into you

 

We all know that dogs have the ability to second guess us it's the same principle as the wolf eventually feel what it's large prey feel and been able to walk through a herd of bison and pick out the sick one

 

It also the same as two dogs living together and becoming the equal and opposite of each other , what one wants the other don't , one likes a certain thing more that the other , in other words they make themselves social to fit in the group and that's the principle I hope to achieve with the dog

 

I want the dog to become social to my commands because he wants to fit not because he better do it or else

 

I found that process fast tracked in a dog who I don't keep having too confront over issues

 

The hunt in what ever form it takes for the dog (could be throwing a ball for a pet dog owner)is what keeps it social not the pack life with its rules and regulations tension and stress

 

The wolf can live in a pack because of the hunt, in hunting it feels free and hunting in a group is even better that's how it manages to get through its stressfull life living in the pack

[paulsmithy83 567]

Now ya blabberin bout wolves a complete diff animal all togeva not all wolv can live in pack loads of rogue wolv also they fight like feck till survival instincts kick in. They evolved to b this way look how they hunt they try not stick them selv in harm way. We all or shud all hunt our dogs in this section of thl so by ur theroy there shud always be harmony but I bet many hav had big bust ups its way of the dogs it happens yeah not all time but it will happen. [NO TEXT TALK] who says it doesnt make me start to think do you realy do much [BANNED TEXT] the dogs. I was talkin to ex police handler he instructs the west Mercia police force handlers in trainin about the subject and he said the same for very high driven dogs sum times there only 1 way to correct at the time that behaviour. Other wise there will be 1 dead dog at end. I wud think after 40yrs workin sum of the most on edge dogs around I wud think he wud pick up a few thins in his time. He also said Even the most trained dog can flip that was his other coment. He also said Dogs cant talk all we can do is guess wat there thinkin at 1 given time , the most drive types dnt make the best police dogs due to sum cant switch back between drive and sum will not stop on comand they carry on he said there been many time in his carerr he needed to take strong action.

Casso mate I believ soon enough ur hav ur day and maybe mite realise verbal aint always enoufh

[Guest thebigdog]

casso, spot on there chap.

 

c hall and paul smithy, you two, have to be the dumbest motherfuckers i have ever come across on here, how the f**k can you's not grasp it after 6 f****n pages

[paulsmithy83 567]

Yep we must b as u said it

[C Hall 552]

casso, spot on there chap.

 

c hall and paul smithy, you two, have to be the dumbest motherfuckers i have ever come across on here, how the f**k can you's not grasp it after 6 f****n pages

 

Come on then Einstein what's your theory or take on this subject?

 

casso a lot of what you say suggests these brawls and fights should never happen if the dog is taught not to because of the way you harness there energy?

[mushroom 13,252]

 

Two lurcher's fighting each other with the serious intent of causing damage or killing the other dog will take absolutely no notice of voice commands minor scuffles maybe but not a serious fight when two dogs dislike each other. When pack instinct kicks in and its a few dogs onto one things are even worse a very serious problem on your hands especially if your on your own

Agree if you find them already fighting, but what about if the tension is building up over a period of time, would you not recognise the warning signs that things were not going well, and perhaps about to go really pear shaped - then would voice commands / action either stop or avoid an incident ?

 

That's all good thinking you will pick up on the signs, I've seen it kick off with no warning at all with two dogs that lived together for 6-7 years with not so much as a growl at each other, these two would eat their food with the dishes banging against the others without any issues believe me that wasn't stopping without a bit stronger persuassion that stop it.

 

To answer IMO when the signs ARE there you can stop it with verbal commands but the problem between the dogs will still be there to some degree JMO

[LaraCroft 863]

 

 

Two lurcher's fighting each other with the serious intent of causing damage or killing the other dog will take absolutely no notice of voice commands minor scuffles maybe but not a serious fight when two dogs dislike each other. When pack instinct kicks in and its a few dogs onto one things are even worse a very serious problem on your hands especially if your on your own

Agree if you find them already fighting, but what about if the tension is building up over a period of time, would you not recognise the warning signs that things were not going well, and perhaps about to go really pear shaped - then would voice commands / action either stop or avoid an incident ?

 

That's all good thinking you will pick up on the signs, I've seen it kick off with no warning at all with two dogs that lived together for 6-7 years with not so much as a growl at each other, these two would eat their food with the dishes banging against the others without any issues believe me that wasn't stopping without a bit stronger persuassion that stop it.

 

To answer IMO when the signs ARE there you can stop it with verbal commands but the problem between the dogs will still be there to some degree JMO

 

Very true. There is a big difference between niggling irritation between dogs that happens at feed time/walk time etc, and a total intolerance. The only time I had 2 bitches living in the same house, they seemed fine at first, then got worse at feed times, and when we were heading out for walks. Growling and posturing turned into snapping, and they went from tolerating each other, to all out war, and one was then rehomed (she was fine with dogs, just not other bitches). Once they had had a "proper" fight with each other, then it was never enough just to shout at them when they started eyeing each other up again. It was like a line had been crossed.

[weasle 1,119]

Lot of people seem to think a dog lives for the moment ect,ect.While it is kind of true a dog ain't stupid and is very able to understand that it can do something while your not around ,that its not allowed to do while you are there.I had a dog that used to love rolling in fox shit, after a while I got sick of bathing her every day,so instead started hosing her with the cold water even if I had to defrost the hose first,It took a while but she learnt that rolling in it ment at some time later she would be getting a cold bath and stopped maybe not totally but mostly,any one that thinks a dog cannot learn to associate consequences,are underestimating there dog.As for hitting nothing wrong with a dog knowing that its easier to not do something when you ask it than to do it and get a smack.In a pack a dog will watch for the warning signs and stop doing what ever its doing when it sees them,not out of courtesy,but because it knows what will happen when it crosses the line.