Badger Cull 2013

[Lab 10,979]

Amazing the shite that you learn from reading books...... ..........

[hutch6 550]

Fair do's.

 

Enjoy your weekends guys.

[Pedwar 320]

 

 

 

I dont understand the politics or science of BTB or the culling of badgers, what I do know is when badger digging was legal bovine TB was virtually unheard of in the areas where we controlled badgers by digging them, 25-30 yrs ago everyone who knew anything about badgers said protecting them would cause problems, not just TB. Badger digging in a humane manner was the best way of controlling badgers.

 

WOW!! You must be the oldest member on here and the oldest resident in the world as it was first outlawed in 1850, even more so in 1911 and again in 1935. Funny how bTB was only first documented in this country in the 1950's so I don't know how your numbers stack up, maybe in your extremely old age you forget these dates. So badger digging was outlawed nearly 100yrs before bTB came to this island. The first badger to be found with bTB was in 1971.

 

 

You need to learn to read

 

 

When was badger digging legal in your books then and when did bTB come here? As you put "virtually unheard of" I took it it as that. Did you mean to write "completely unheard of"?

 

 

 

I dug badgers up until it was made totally illegal, I dug them with permission of farmers long after 1973, no farm I dug badgers on ever tested positive for Bovine TB, now the majority of them do or have tested positive.

[Matt 160]

Ignorance is bliss, and Hutch must be very happy......

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

I dont understand the politics or science of BTB or the culling of badgers, what I do know is when badger digging was legal bovine TB was virtually unheard of in the areas where we controlled badgers by digging them, 25-30 yrs ago everyone who knew anything about badgers said protecting them would cause problems, not just TB. Badger digging in a humane manner was the best way of controlling badgers.

 

WOW!! You must be the oldest member on here and the oldest resident in the world as it was first outlawed in 1850, even more so in 1911 and again in 1935. Funny how bTB was only first documented in this country in the 1950's so I don't know how your numbers stack up, maybe in your extremely old age you forget these dates. So badger digging was outlawed nearly 100yrs before bTB came to this island. The first badger to be found with bTB was in 1971.

 

 

You need to learn to read

 

 

When was badger digging legal in your books then and when did bTB come here? As you put "virtually unheard of" I took it it as that. Did you mean to write "completely unheard of"?

 

 

 

I dug badgers up until it was made totally illegal, I dug them with permission of farmers long after 1973, no farm I dug badgers on ever tested positive for Bovine TB, now the majority of them do or have tested positive.

 

The same around here mate, i can remember when the pub doorstep always had a dug badger on it sunday lunchtime just to let the farmers know the terrier lads were still doing there job as the farmers went for there sunday pint

[Matt 160]

For anyone with a genuine interest and an open mind, this http://www.bovinetb.info/docs/bovine-tuberculosis-in-badgers-maff-nov-1976.pdf

is well worth a read.

 

It documents how culling in 1976 resulted in 10 years with no badgerTB.

 

We've done it before, and we can do it again; if there is a political will to do so. The trouble is; Labour sat on their hands for too long and the problem is now out of hand.

[paulus 26]

For anyone with a genuine interest and an open mind, this http://www.bovinetb.info/docs/bovine-tuberculosis-in-badgers-maff-nov-1976.pdf

is well worth a read.

 

It documents how culling in 1976 resulted in 10 years with no badgerTB.

 

We've done it before, and we can do it again; if there is a political will to do so. The trouble is; Labour sat on their hands for too long and the problem is now out of hand.

Its being debated in parliament again next wednesday i have just been informed, it would seem May has friends in high places

[Matt 160]

Nothing to worry about.

 

They can debate it all they like; NE are now committed, and it's going ahead. Another parliamentary debate is just a waste of time.

[Ratreeper 441]

I am on the fence a bit, I don't mind a reduction in badgers because I don't think they are exactly scarce, the road sides are littered with them and there are setts all over the shop. But I don't think that the science supports that a cull is really worth the effort, the best figures that pro-cull supporters can come up with suggests that a 70-90% reduction would reduce bTB by 12-16%, which I am sorry but is f**k all really isn't it.

 

A bit of control is fine, but this whole thing is too political and I have to agree with hutch that the backlash against the farming and hunting community outweighs the few million £'s it would save the cattle farmers (or taxpayer more accurately), which I feel bad for and I would support a legitimate solution but I can't say a mass badger cull will help.

 

As for Brian May, he is paying for the badgers round my way to be vaccinated (as I live in a cull area apparently) so I am happy to leave him to it, why should I prefer that they be killed? I am a bit lost on some of the argument people make against badgers, someone enlighten me please why vaccinating is worse than killing them?

[Lab 10,979]

I am on the fence a bit, I don't mind a reduction in badgers because I don't think they are exactly scarce, the road sides are littered with them and there are setts all over the shop. But I don't think that the science supports that a cull is really worth the effort, the best figures that pro-cull supporters can come up with suggests that a 70-90% reduction would reduce bTB by 12-16%, which I am sorry but is f**k all really isn't it.

 

A bit of control is fine, but this whole thing is too political and I have to agree with hutch that the backlash against the farming and hunting community outweighs the few million £'s it would save the cattle farmers (or taxpayer more accurately), which I feel bad for and I would support a legitimate solution but I can't say a mass badger cull will help.

 

As for Brian May, he is paying for the badgers round my way to be vaccinated (as I live in a cull area apparently) so I am happy to leave him to it, why should I prefer that they be killed? I am a bit lost on some of the argument people make against badgers, someone enlighten me please why vaccinating is worse than killing them?

Never mind paying for the badger vaccination tell the long haired prick that he can compensate the farmers for every cow that needs put down. We will soon see where his loyalties lie....f***ing arsehole off a man he really is...no grip on reality.

[Ratreeper 441]

 

I am on the fence a bit, I don't mind a reduction in badgers because I don't think they are exactly scarce, the road sides are littered with them and there are setts all over the shop. But I don't think that the science supports that a cull is really worth the effort, the best figures that pro-cull supporters can come up with suggests that a 70-90% reduction would reduce bTB by 12-16%, which I am sorry but is f**k all really isn't it.

 

A bit of control is fine, but this whole thing is too political and I have to agree with hutch that the backlash against the farming and hunting community outweighs the few million £'s it would save the cattle farmers (or taxpayer more accurately), which I feel bad for and I would support a legitimate solution but I can't say a mass badger cull will help.

 

As for Brian May, he is paying for the badgers round my way to be vaccinated (as I live in a cull area apparently) so I am happy to leave him to it, why should I prefer that they be killed? I am a bit lost on some of the argument people make against badgers, someone enlighten me please why vaccinating is worse than killing them?

Never mind paying for the badger vaccination tell the long haired prick that he can compensate the farmers for every cow that needs put down. We will soon see where his loyalties lie....f*****g arsehole off a man he really is...no grip on reality.

 

 

Yeah but the point is, they are vaccinated...so no farmer problems? Also, I am genuinely asking why culling is better than a vaccination, when culling would only help 12-16% it seems a shitload of bother and causes a lot of political grief for farmers/hunters.

[Matt 160]

I am on the fence a bit, I don't mind a reduction in badgers because I don't think they are exactly scarce, the road sides are littered with them and there are setts all over the shop. But I don't think that the science supports that a cull is really worth the effort, the best figures that pro-cull supporters can come up with suggests that a 70-90% reduction would reduce bTB by 12-16%, which I am sorry but is f**k all really isn't it.

 

A bit of control is fine, but this whole thing is too political and I have to agree with hutch that the backlash against the farming and hunting community outweighs the few million £'s it would save the cattle farmers (or taxpayer more accurately), which I feel bad for and I would support a legitimate solution but I can't say a mass badger cull will help.

 

As for Brian May, he is paying for the badgers round my way to be vaccinated (as I live in a cull area apparently) so I am happy to leave him to it, why should I prefer that they be killed? I am a bit lost on some of the argument people make against badgers, someone enlighten me please why vaccinating is worse than killing them?

 

 

The proactive cull during the RBCT reduced TB by 16% and that was without getting the 70% cull they needed.

 

This time it'll be different; different methods, activity based, and more flexible.

 

Vaccination doesn't work on badgers that are already carrying the bacteria. Much better to vaccinate in those counties with no TB as a fire break and cull in the hotspots.

 

The side benefit will be to other species. During the RBCT a university did a survey of one of the proactive cull areas before culling and found few, if any hedgehogs. Post culling they went back and hedgehog numbers had started to recover.

 

Then consider the predation of bumble bees, hares, and rare ground nesting birds, and the outcome of badger population reduction can only be a good thing.

 

In Devon and Cornwall there is more evidence of badgers than foxes deer and most other mammals. They are out of control and causing mayhem.

 

Hutch, you've gone quiet?? Busy on the google, or is Dr May on the phone telling you what to post next?

[old school 562]

I wont support a cull because it will cost a fortune when good decent terrier men can carry the job out for free!!

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

I am on the fence a bit, I don't mind a reduction in badgers because I don't think they are exactly scarce, the road sides are littered with them and there are setts all over the shop. But I don't think that the science supports that a cull is really worth the effort, the best figures that pro-cull supporters can come up with suggests that a 70-90% reduction would reduce bTB by 12-16%, which I am sorry but is f**k all really isn't it.

 

A bit of control is fine, but this whole thing is too political and I have to agree with hutch that the backlash against the farming and hunting community outweighs the few million £'s it would save the cattle farmers (or taxpayer more accurately), which I feel bad for and I would support a legitimate solution but I can't say a mass badger cull will help.

 

As for Brian May, he is paying for the badgers round my way to be vaccinated (as I live in a cull area apparently) so I am happy to leave him to it, why should I prefer that they be killed? I am a bit lost on some of the argument people make against badgers, someone enlighten me please why vaccinating is worse than killing them?

Never mind paying for the badger vaccination tell the long haired prick that he can compensate the farmers for every cow that needs put down. We will soon see where his loyalties lie....f*****g arsehole off a man he really is...no grip on reality.

 

 

Yeah but the point is, they are vaccinated...so no farmer problems? Also, I am genuinely asking why culling is better than a vaccination, when culling would only help 12-16% it seems a shitload of bother and causes a lot of political grief for farmers/hunters.

 

Personally i dont know the facts and figures or how they are worked out. The badger should be no different or get any special treatment compared to the other animals that share this country. Call it a cull or whatever but quite simply they should be taken of the protected list and numbers would sort themselves out over time. In the areas being hard hit with TB the farmers could work hard on reducing there numbers.......and other areas where the badger is not so abundant there shouldnt be a problem. I cant believe in this day and age we still seem to care more about badgers or f***ing Buzzards than the average working man.

[Matt 160]

I wont support a cull because it will cost a fortune when good decent terrier men can carry the job out for free!!

 

The farmers are paying the contractors, not DEFRA.

 

Sadly, the days of terriers being used for badgers will never return.