Badger Cull 2013

[earth-thrower 493]

 

Matt the Rat is very clued up on the science behind this, it'd be interesting to hear his views. One thing I do know, Re bTB and badger culling the science is so clouded with politics it can hardly be considered science!

 

As for wiping out the badger, it's a cull not an erradication!

 

The "science" isn't even science BH. It is a politically driven scheme and nothing else.

 

Ah, now I though it was a trial in two areas over a five year period with a four year rest and investigation period (as they did before) but it is a nationwide scheme. They will monitor the two areas for effectivenes of badger removal, safety of the work and the humaness of the kills, after that are going nationwide with it. We are looking at a reduction in badgers upto -90% in some areas. How can that be justified as a cul. A cull is to control, this will nearly wipe them out with no scientific evidence.

 

Its also interesting to note,that they wont be testing them afterwards,for TB.When they did in previous culls,the higher proportion were free of it !

[Born Hunter 17,773]

That's because the purposes of this cull aren't to determine how many badgers have TB, that's just unnecessary expense. Any monitoring of this cull is purely to see how effective lamping them will be and how humanely the badgers can be killed.

[Guest thebigdog]

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

[earth-thrower 493]

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

[Guest thebigdog]

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

[earth-thrower 493]

 

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

 

I seen it from a graph of the official statistics,taken from both irish agricultural departments.

Edited June 7, 2013 by earth-thrower

[cammy12 176]

 

 

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

 

I seen it from a graph of the official statistics,taken from both irish agricultural departments.

 

official statistics what are they, all statistics can be manipulated to suit any argument

[Guest thebigdog]

 

 

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

 

I seen it from a graph of the official statistics,taken from both irish agricultural departments.

 

can you post a link pal, i cant find them

[Guest ragumup]

 

 

 

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

 

I seen it from a graph of the official statistics,taken from both irish agricultural departments.

 

can you post a link pal, i cant find them

 

Id like to see this link too......

[earth-thrower 493]

 

 

 

 

snaring and shooting badgers became legal here in 03/04 i think, since then incidences of BTB have fallen over 50% percent. argument over

Aye, but it seems 'herd incidence' fell at roughly the same levels, in Northern ireland,with no badger culling, over the same period..............

 

where have you seen that chap.

 

I seen it from a graph of the official statistics,taken from both irish agricultural departments.

 

official statistics what are they, all statistics can be manipulated to suit any argument

 

Yes,there is some truth in that.........

[earth-thrower 493]

To the doubters............do the research as i have.The information is out there.Why would i lie about it ? Northern Ireland have achieved the fall,with cattle controls alone.In Eire,badger removal within the cull zones,has greatly reduced the populations.Yet, the cows still have TB............It could certainly be argued then,that the cattle themselves are still the MAIN reservoir, of the disease.

Edited June 10, 2013 by earth-thrower

[Lab 10,979]

To the doubters............do the research as i have.The information is out there.Why would i lie about it ? Northern Ireland have achieved the fall,with cattle controls alone.In Eire,badger removal within the cull zones,has greatly reduced the populations.Yet, the cows still have TB............It could certainly be argued then,that the cattle themselves are still the MAIN reservoir, of the disease.

Why are you so hell bent on proving that there not the main TB carrier and a cull wouldnt matter. Theres other reasons like 'theres far to much of the f***ing things' and when theres an over population and numbers are not allowed to be controlled you start to get problems as well as the effect they have on other species/ countryside. I've said it before the general public really couldnt care about TB...if you asked the first 100 people in the street "Would you like to see badgers culled to stop the spread of TB in cattle" youd get a mixed response, possibly leaning towards a 'NO' for the cull.....ask a similar question "Beef is going to double in the supermarkets because of badgers spreading TB, would you like to see a cull on them to stop this happening" ......I bet it would lean towards 'YES' then.....

[earth-thrower 493]

Im not " hell bent " on proving anything.The 'findings' as a result of all these 'trials' , are open to interpretation.Everyone can form their own opinion,of the matter.As ive also stated before,( on another thread ) i can accept that there are probably too many badgers now, in certain parts,which can lead to problems with them.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

So who are you trying to educate !!!!!!

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

thank feck theyre getting the numbers culled a bit then it also lowers the chance of being falsely accused of digging or interfereing with the sets when out with hounds and lurchers clearly doing legit fox control. and these fcuking anti peados think every hole in the ground is owned by badgers then it clearly shows that the nation is over run with them.