baw 4,360 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Hartson never had pace lol, Robbie fowler? I think he's going deeper due to lack of confidence. He always was a box to box striker, I just don't see him as an out and out striker. He had enough matey and to be honest IMHO he was a lot stronger and used his strength well and there is is difference between how fast you are chasing a ball and how fast you are with a ball at your feet. And, in all honesty Hartson probably wasnt as good as Rooney and nor was Fowler.......Rooney is a lot more versatile IMHO but I think physically he has a limited window in his playing career .Couldn't agree with you more wilf, spot on in everything you say. I think Rooneys early form was his downfall. He looks the type to give 100% in training etc so I don't think its went to his head like some players who are happy to pick up a wage. If he kept on improving from his early career, what a player he would have been. But he didn't and won't now. England need goal scorers and Rooney isn't the answer.let me guess hooper is?? Take it from me, hooper couldn't lace Rooneys boots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,965 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Amazingly enough, I agree with Baw.......lets face facts, if you like good football then you wouldnt pay to go and see England. As a team, England are mediocre at best.........no one has figured out why in the last 46 years so I dont suppose we will do it here !!! We never seem comfortable, dont know why, but we dont. You don't look comfortable. You look good for 10 minutes, passing, running, looking dangerous then some backwater team strings a couple of passes together and you look terrified, hurried passes to no one etc. it's mental to watch as a neutral. You see millions of £'s of quality players really struggle to do the basics at times. It must be a confidence thing. Is it due to the pressure from the fans/media expecting to always win, I dunno. That is exactly how I see it matey, spot on. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Rooney is a lot more versatile IMHO but I think physically he has a limited window in his playing career . I agree with that but more a case of too much too soon..............these kids who burst onto the scene at such a high level just dont seem to be able to kick on as their careers continue.....Michael Owen was a classic example......Rooney,Walcott. The physical explosive vigour they have as kids doesnt last.......meaning they then have to rely on their pure footballing ability..............they are very good players but dont seem to reach the level we think they will after the starts they have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) My theory with England is that we are constantly trying to copy the succesful nations we never stick to what we do best..........probably the last squad who played to our own strengths was Bobby Robsons side with Gazza/Lineker etc............ever since then we are continuosly trying to be something we,re not......all this slow build up from the back over the last few years because thats how the Spanish play..................the Germans play a traditional 4-4-2 and have just had 2 sides in the Champions League final !!....but they play to their strength and dont try to copy other nations...................and thats what i think we need to do,yes work on our weaknesses but make more of an effort to play to our strengths. Edited May 30, 2013 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) gnash your inbox is full-- don't know if you`ve looked at the thread wow---that Christian put up Edited May 30, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420 f***ing brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420 f*****g brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... Thats the spirit mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bracken boy 584 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 gnasher you spot on. plus playing the skill game aint our thing, we aint quick enough and down to earth not good enough. nobody wants the stoke style of football and that just somes england up at times Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,965 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420 f*****g brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... You will probably get half prices tickets if the FA read this and they realise you are mentally ill !! Lol lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,160 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 My theory with England is that we are constantly trying to copy the succesful nations we never stick to what we do best..........probably the last squad who played to our own strengths was Bobby Robsons side with Gazza/Lineker etc............ever since then we are continuosly trying to be something we,re not......all this slow build up from the back over the last few years because thats how the Spanish play..................the Germans play a traditional 4-4-2 and have just had 2 sides in the Champions League final !!....but they play to their strength and dont try to copy other nations...................and thats what i think we need to do,yes work on our weaknesses but make more of an effort to play to our strengths. I agree Gnash, but I'd say the last side we had playing to our strengths was Venables side in 96, ... 2 proper forwards in shearer and sheringham, Gazza on form and a solid back four with the likes of Pearce and Adams... We still never had great wingers though but Anderton and macmanaman delivered... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420f*****g brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... You will probably get half prices tickets if the FA read this and they realise you are mentally ill !! Lol lol trust you ye twat........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 My theory with England is that we are constantly trying to copy the succesful nations we never stick to what we do best..........probably the last squad who played to our own strengths was Bobby Robsons side with Gazza/Lineker etc............ever since then we are continuosly trying to be something we,re not......all this slow build up from the back over the last few years because thats how the Spanish play..................the Germans play a traditional 4-4-2 and have just had 2 sides in the Champions League final !!....but they play to their strength and dont try to copy other nations...................and thats what i think we need to do,yes work on our weaknesses but make more of an effort to play to our strengths. I agree Gnash, but I'd say the last side we had playing to our strengths was Venables side in 96, ... 2 proper forwards in shearer and sheringham, Gazza on form and a solid back four with the likes of Pearce and Adams... We still never had great wingers though but Anderton and macmanaman delivered... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420f*****g brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... Thats the spirit mate! i just hope we go to cardiff instead mate..........thats a game we cant lose.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL 7 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 England game vs Brazil called off, as things stand:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22725420 f*****g brazilian pussys are just scared of an england team hitting top form......... Thats the spirit mate! i just hope we go to cardiff instead mate..........thats a game we cant lose.......... Are you willing to stick your name on it :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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