elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Not sure how much Grey in my 2, maybe 1/8th ? Sire 1/4 grey, Dam 100% bull. Not sure if that would make that much difference overall ? im on about genuine bull/whips,,, which you havent got!! this is a bull/whip tread after all.. Edited June 3, 2013 by elisderyn Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Wasn't gonna jump into this debate but i'd back everything Elisderyn says, I've seen a few of this cross out, some bred off that breeder he mentions and yes, they are great fun in an around cover, hearts of little lions, as good ones should have.... BUT in open country I've never seen one catch either and I'd doubt, especially now I read folk with far far more experience of the cross than me have never seen it done, if genuine ones ever would... Horses for courses folks... Quote Link to post
jeemes 4,453 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Foxes had to be called as close as poss and 9 times out of 10 you have to get in to help dispatch.....get a bull x grey if that's your bag. Not all bull whips are APBT x i have lost track of the amount of bull/grey xs that make it look hard work or wont do them unless they have back up-yet ive seen the 21/23 tts whippet/grey/sal swim the river and drop them for fun-infact smash anything with teeth-my mate had a coll/whip/grey dog 22 tts that would also smash anything that wanted a fight-some of the best dogs with the biggest heart are the little uns imo.atb There may be poor Bullxs about but a good Bullx is hard to beat. Imo it needs to be a half and half type. They are calm,clever with lots of stamina and totally immune to pain. Ive had diffrent crosses but you cannot beat the bullys if its the right type. Thats why people always compare everything to them. 2 Quote Link to post
downsouth 7,212 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 mine gets up to quarry like a rocket,hes quite leggy,and 23tts.............whos this breeder mate you keep on about? He said the blokes probaby bred more than anyone so it doesnt take a lot of working out. Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) So because the guy who bred more than anyone else didn't have any that could do the job means it's not possible ? Yes the breeding would / should be in the dogs but maybe they lacked something / spark / speed ? I'd like to go out with a 1st X with no Grey in it to see if there is that much difference ? One day I may find time to do so !! Edited June 3, 2013 by blackstaff Quote Link to post
elisderyn 496 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 So because the guy who bred more than anyone else didn't have any that could do the job means it's not possible ? Yes the breeding would / should be in the dogs but maybe they lacked something / spark / speed ? I'd like to go out with a 1st X with no Grey in it to see if there is that much difference ? One day I may find time to do so !! you have a pm. Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Cool, will look now I'm presuming it's a and not a anyway !! Quote Link to post
doge77 51 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 heres a couple of pics of my bull/grey x collie/whip/grey 22tts and 52lb, not the fastest thing on four legs but has the heart of a lion and prey drive to match, has her limitations but keeps me happy. 3 Quote Link to post
blackstaff 488 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 heres a couple of pics of my bull/grey x collie/whip/grey 22tts and 52lb, not the fastest thing on four legs but has the heart of a lion and prey drive to match, has her limitations but keeps me happy. That's what there all about bud 1 Quote Link to post
kranky 507 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 trouble is most breeders of bullxwhips will tell you there not fox dogs,then you get a load of people slating em cause they struggle on charles. Why would anybody breed bull into any lurcher if not with the hope of producing fox dogs. Because you can't get a 3/8x 5/8 or 3/4 without having a 1st x to get there ? I bred mine for my own reasons stated many times before, stronger than a whip, faster than a bull, very versatile and put 100% into everything they do just for starters . . . . agree mate,i rate them allways wondered why people needed these bucket headed bullxs the size of a camel for fox.my bullxwhip does what i need,and thats all quarry,taken a variety of ways. i know for 2 bull/whip dogs that are owned by a big bull/whip breeder or was a big breeder before they sickend him for missing so much stuff!! they both have heads the same size as 2 bull/greys that i own and are only 6/7 pound lighter and 2" shorter but still worlds apart when it comes to catching and dispatching!! preban foxes.... only once have i ever! see a bull/whip catch a preban fox and that was doubled up with a colliex and that did all the work an ran it straight in to the bull/whip....... So this bloke is a bull whippet breeder but he chucks out dogs like you've described above? That ain't much of a breeder in my opinion. Why breed them to look like stunted and misshapen bull x greys? Your breeder needs to be a bit more ruthless with his culling or use better base bloodstock. Years ago, some of the first proper bull blood came over to the same place where I'm from, just between Wimbledon and Croydon, (those that know will know where I mean). One of those proper dogs was used to make some bull whippets, that I saw work. These dogs weren't my cup of tea but they were fox dogs, no two ways about it. There's more crap bull x's about than any other type of running dog. People think they can use any bull and any sighthound and get a decent animal. Those of you that talk of these dogs not catching in the open or not being able to get up on their quarry have only ever seen crap. And as for having to assist the dog, if you stand around having a fag while your dog finishes the job then you're an idiot, why not help your dog, keep damage to a minimum and get more runs out of your dog? I'd always assist my dog if the quarry wasn't dead by the time I got there. 2 Quote Link to post
25inch-tts 10 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 heres a couple of pics of my bull/grey x collie/whip/grey 22tts and 52lb, not the fastest thing on four legs but has the heart of a lion and prey drive to match, has her limitations but keeps me happy. fecking stunner that mate well done! 1 Quote Link to post
Westy76 546 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) As we're all not mentioning names of people for whatever reason ill do the same but clear up a few facts that are untrue,I've been out with a fella for the last 2 seasons and personally seen his bull/whip dogs take teeth in large open grass fields(course,catch and dispatch) and also large edible game not in numbers expected of a decent bull x but it was done all the same. Just because so called names haven't seen it or the animals used couldn't do it doesn't mean it isn't happening. The handler of these dogs knows there limitations and sets the run up to offer the dogs a good chance(which I'm sure we all do)then the rest is up to the dogs and I've seen some excellent runs and outstanding catches but I've also seen some complete cock ups..........but hey that's dog work you can't win em all. Ps bull whips skin all falls off in anything over force 3 wind Edited June 4, 2013 by Westy76 Quote Link to post
kranky 507 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Ps bull whips skin all falls off in anything over force 3 wind That's true of all bull x's. To be honest they could do with a bit of coat adding to them to remove their tissue paper skin. If you were to remove around 100% of the bull from the cross and add plenty of deerhound then you'd get a decent coat. You'd also get better feet, more stamina and loads more speed. 1 Quote Link to post
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