inan 841 Posted May 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 @ Inan.... Personaly,...I think the concept of the lurcher show, has helped to improve the life of a lurcher... When I visited, what was possibly the first ever show,..it wasn't up to much,.just a gathering of miscellaneous enthusiasts,..fox hunting people ,.horsey folk,.raggedy men, mouchers and downright rogues Some of the dogs, were poor as crows,.and our knowledge of that most versatile of all canines,.the lurcher,..was limited,.to say the least...It really was a case of the blind,.. leading the fecking blind ! I remember my first Judging appointments... No smart sets of mole-skins, checked shirts and waistcoats,..just camos and a Rab C Nesbitt vest You frequently went in, with clean hands and came out of the ring, with greasy palms and a few fleas, crawling on your chest...Some of the Jukels had nails so long,.they resembled anteaters,..and their teeth were often caked with tarter..Not all of the entries,.of course not,..but,..the facts are, for a lurcher to win the prestigious title of canine Miss World nowadays,...it must be in good condition. Dogs that are treated like shit, and dragged into the show ring on a piece of baler twine,.led around by owners that cannot give a feck,..their dog in one hand and a can of lager in the other,..do not inspire a Judge to award that coveted red rosette.... Don't get me wrong,...a top dog can look like a scruff bag,..as can its owner,.but you get my drift.... The show is an advert for the modern lurcher and they are best portrayed in a favourable light.... Cruel, wicked bullies, who are using the day out, to show the world what a hard man they are ,..have not moved on,..and they belong in the past... I don't go to many shows these days,...I cannot bear to be in the company of folk that do not speak my language. I am just a rabbiter,..boring as feck and I have no interest, in who has the best, the gamest or the fastest. What I would like to see,..is a return to those warm Summer days, when we all sat on the sidelines, having the craic,.. and generally taking the piss out of a fellow hunting man, as he waltzed around the ring.. Shows are beauty contests,..nothing more and nothing less,...only one man need take the day seriously,..and for the rest of us,..the day should be about, fun, fun, fun,..OR,.c'mon now,..what is the fecking point... All the best,..Chalkwarren... I agree shows have had a real positive effect on the general condition of the dogs being shown, its rare now days to see a staring coat, nails curled over,teeth covered in plaque,and filthy ears on the entries. At the end of the day it is one man's/woman's opinion,and they can only judge on what they see. I'd like a pint for every hopeful who has told me, "this dog is mustard"," hoovers up hares/rabbits for fun".It may well do but that is not for the judge to accept or reject, his job is to pick out the best dogs in the ring , basing his choices primarily on conformation,movement,and condition. Its always baffled me that the people who so religiously follow shows , sometimes to the extent of entering 3 over a bank holiday, do not go into pedigree dog showing, where they have a set standard as guidelines. Lurcher judging is by its very nature arbitrary, simply because there is no such set standard. You once said," there is no standard for lurchers , nor should there ever be one". I would entirely agree with that, lurchers are judged,or should be imo ,on the qualities I named, conformation, movement and condition, this is of course taking soundness as a given. Its a day out ,a chance to meet up with some mates have the craic ,swap a few lies,catch up with whose bred what etc. If it becomes more than that to people , perhaps they should think about joining the Crufts brigade? 5 Quote Link to post
Sirius 1,391 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Well put people, you can't judge a Lurcher show as anything other than a beauty contest. I am afraid, scars, so called working marks or medals or when even people call em mean feck all lol It's the best made, best conditioned dog that I would personally want to try out in the field that wins. As the only place a working dog can be judged is in the field of work and you can never simulate that in a ring on a show ground. Good hunting Sirius Edited May 20, 2013 by Sirius Quote Link to post
littlefish 586 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 The shows that I like best is where a worthwhile charity is benefiting from the proceeds. Quote Link to post
3 Turns 326 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 ALRIGHT TROOPS. WE ALL KNOW EVERYONE WHO,S A JUDGE HAS THERE OWN PREFERENCE. BIG SMALL ROUGH SMOOTH. RED PYED BRINDLE. BLACK.. THE DOGS FATE IN THE RING IS ENTIERLY UP YO SOME DOOD THATS NO GOT A SCOOBIE WHAT HES LOOKING AT. IVE BEEN AT 3 SHOWS WHERE THE JUDGE IS A GUNDOG MAN JUDGING LURCHERS. HE DOESENT EVEN LIKE LURCHERS.. JOBS FOR THE BOYS AT A LOT OF SHOWS IVE BEEN AT,. ITS NOT SOUR GRAPES BY NO MEANS. IF I HAVE A DOG I CAN LOOK AT AND SAY THATS A CRACKER. ID MAYBE SHOW IT. IF IT DOESNT CONFORM TO THE ALL ROUND PACKEGE I WOULDNT ENTER IT . ITS WORKING DOG SHOWS NOT COUNTRY BUMPKIN CRUFTS. WHICH ITS TURNING OUT TO BE NOWDAYS . HAIR DRYERS AND SHAMPOO FOR MOST OF THEM.LOL SEE IT REGULAR. BUY A BARBOUR AND WELLIES GET RUSTIC ROUGH DOG AND YOUR A HUNTER/POACHER.LOL. THE REAL WORKING DOG SHOWS WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST IN THE NEXT DECADE.FACT. THE REAL DEALS ARE GETTING OLD NOW. WEVE HAD LONGER THAN WEVE GOT LEFT AND THE BODYS CANT CASH THE CHEQUES ,BUT YOULL FIND US IN A DITCH WAE 2 SKINNY DOGS AND A SKELETON,THATS WHAT THE MRS SAYS.LOL. LIFE DOESNT REVOLVE ROUND ROSETTSES,AND A GOOD DOG WILL SELL,S ITS SELF IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. NO SURRENDER. Quote Link to post
3 Turns 326 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 ALRIGHT TROOPS. WE ALL KNOW EVERYONE WHO,S A JUDGE HAS THERE OWN PREFERENCE. BIG SMALL ROUGH SMOOTH. RED PYED BRINDLE. BLACK.. THE DOGS FATE IN THE RING IS ENTIERLY UP YO SOME DOOD THATS NO GOT A SCOOBIE WHAT HES LOOKING AT. IVE BEEN AT 3 SHOWS WHERE THE JUDGE IS A GUNDOG MAN JUDGING LURCHERS. HE DOESENT EVEN LIKE LURCHERS.. JOBS FOR THE BOYS AT A LOT OF SHOWS IVE BEEN AT,. ITS NOT SOUR GRAPES BY NO MEANS. IF I HAVE A DOG I CAN LOOK AT AND SAY THATS A CRACKER. ID MAYBE SHOW IT. IF IT DOESNT CONFORM TO THE ALL ROUND PACKEGE I WOULDNT ENTER IT . ITS WORKING DOG SHOWS NOT COUNTRY BUMPKIN CRUFTS. WHICH ITS TURNING OUT TO BE NOWDAYS . HAIR DRYERS AND SHAMPOO FOR MOST OF THEM.LOL SEE IT REGULAR. BUY A BARBOUR AND WELLIES GET RUSTIC ROUGH DOG AND YOUR A HUNTER/POACHER.LOL. THE REAL WORKING DOG SHOWS WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST IN THE NEXT DECADE.FACT. THE REAL DEALS ARE GETTING OLD NOW. WEVE HAD LONGER THAN WEVE GOT LEFT AND THE BODYS CANT CASH THE CHEQUES ,BUT YOULL FIND US IN A DITCH WAE 2 SKINNY DOGS AND A SKELETON,THATS WHAT THE MRS SAYS.LOL. LIFE DOESNT REVOLVE ROUND ROSETTSES,AND A GOOD DOG WILL SELL,S ITS SELF IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. NO SURRENDER. ILL DO IT TILL I DIE, THE RIGHT WAY. Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 @ Inan.... Personaly,...I think the concept of the lurcher show, has helped to improve the life of a lurcher... When I visited, what was possibly the first ever show,..it wasn't up to much,.just a gathering of miscellaneous enthusiasts,..fox hunting people ,.horsey folk,.raggedy men, mouchers and downright rogues Some of the dogs, were poor as crows,.and our knowledge of that most versatile of all canines,.the lurcher,..was limited,.to say the least...It really was a case of the blind,.. leading the fecking blind ! I remember my first Judging appointments... No smart sets of mole-skins, checked shirts and waistcoats,..just camos and a Rab C Nesbitt vest You frequently went in, with clean hands and came out of the ring, with greasy palms and a few fleas, crawling on your chest...Some of the Jukels had nails so long,.they resembled anteaters,..and their teeth were often caked with tarter..Not all of the entries,.of course not,..but,..the facts are, for a lurcher to win the prestigious title of canine Miss World nowadays,...it must be in good condition. Dogs that are treated like shit, and dragged into the show ring on a piece of baler twine,.led around by owners that cannot give a feck,..their dog in one hand and a can of lager in the other,..do not inspire a Judge to award that coveted red rosette.... Don't get me wrong,...a top dog can look like a scruff bag,..as can its owner,.but you get my drift.... The show is an advert for the modern lurcher and they are best portrayed in a favourable light.... Cruel, wicked bullies, who are using the day out, to show the world what a hard man they are ,..have not moved on,..and they belong in the past... I don't go to many shows these days,...I cannot bear to be in the company of folk that do not speak my language. I am just a rabbiter,..boring as feck and I have no interest, in who has the best, the gamest or the fastest. What I would like to see,..is a return to those warm Summer days, when we all sat on the sidelines, having the craic,.. and generally taking the piss out of a fellow hunting man, as he waltzed around the ring.. Shows are beauty contests,..nothing more and nothing less,...only one man need take the day seriously,..and for the rest of us,..the day should be about, fun, fun, fun,..OR,.c'mon now,..what is the fecking point... All the best,..Chalkwarren... I agree shows have had a real positive effect on the general condition of the dogs being shown, its rare now days to see a staring coat, nails curled over,teeth covered in plaque,and filthy ears on the entries. At the end of the day it is one man's/woman's opinion,and they can only judge on what they see. I'd like a pint for every hopeful who has told me, "this dog is mustard"," hoovers up hares/rabbits for fun".It may well do but that is not for the judge to accept or reject, his job is to pick out the best dogs in the ring , basing his choices primarily on conformation,movement,and condition. Its always baffled me that the people who so religiously follow shows , sometimes to the extent of entering 3 over a bank holiday, do not go into pedigree dog showing, where they have a set standard as guidelines. Lurcher judging is by its very nature arbitrary, simply because there is no such set standard. You once said," there is no standard for lurchers , nor should there ever be one". I would entirely agree with that, lurchers are judged,or should be imo ,on the qualities I named, conformation, movement and condition, this is of course taking soundness as a given. Its a day out ,a chance to meet up with some mates have the craic ,swap a few lies,catch up with whose bred what etc. If it becomes more than that to people , perhaps they should think about joining the Crufts brigade? Very true, its not like judging say, canaries where there is a breed standard for each type to judge against, If lurcher shows went down a similar road it would for me, ruin what makes the lurcher world so great, Diversity Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 to many good judges give it bollox because of idiots that stand outside the ring moaning ---- had it myself and i`ve judged a few shows one day i thought why should i put fuel in my car give up my sunday for the payment of a plate of ham salad and a pork pie to listen to twats that have never stepped under the ropes talking bollox and moaning ........... if you can do a better job ring round a few shows and put your name forward to judge next year or put your name up hereand offer i doubt they`d be many offers truth is it takes more guts to step under the ropes than it does to stand the other side moaning ..you pay your £1 you take your chances if you dont like it stay at home and wash the car ... 10 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) i was getting some stick at one show the fellas dog had seen some graft but was an ugly little fecker with a bob tail and bent front legs -- after about class 3 i gave him a look that normally shuts em up by class 6 i`m pissed off with him giving it large to his mates --- so i back up to the little group --i said to him whos shagging your mrs while your here his mates all laughed he went red never had a come back line looked round at class 7 they moved onto the lurcher ring ---he brings his dog in for the entered class pulled him out first -- then 3 others only 3 rossettes shame Edited May 21, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post
Country Joe 1,411 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 to many good judges give it bollox because of idiots that stand outside the ring moaning ---- had it myself and i`ve judged a few shows one day i thought why should i put fuel in my car give up my sunday for the payment of a plate of ham salad and a pork pie to listen to twats that have never stepped under the ropes talking bollox and moaning ........... if you can do a better job ring round a few shows and put your name forward to judge next year or put your name up hereand offer i doubt they`d be many offers truth is it takes more guts to step under the ropes than it does to stand the other side moaning ..you pay your £1 you take your chances if you dont like it stay at home and wash the car ... Only judged once, years ago under 23 class, I picked out a wee stunner for first place, afterwards i was approached by a rather hefty Lady, who demanded to know why her dog was not given first, and that she was going to get her man to sort me oot, That was my one and only, not worth the hassle. 4 Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 wouldnt it be great if every one had the same atitude as the above posts. i stopped judging years ago for similar reasons Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 few year back we drove 70 mile to show our terriers the judge did`nt show so to save the day my mate offered to judge so i pulled mine out aswell -- some thick knuts still had a moan Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 ALRIGHT TROOPS. WE ALL KNOW EVERYONE WHO,S A JUDGE HAS THERE OWN PREFERENCE. BIG SMALL ROUGH SMOOTH. RED PYED BRINDLE. BLACK.. THE DOGS FATE IN THE RING IS ENTIERLY UP YO SOME DOOD THATS NO GOT A SCOOBIE WHAT HES LOOKING AT. IVE BEEN AT 3 SHOWS WHERE THE JUDGE IS A GUNDOG MAN JUDGING LURCHERS. HE DOESENT EVEN LIKE LURCHERS.. JOBS FOR THE BOYS AT A LOT OF SHOWS IVE BEEN AT,. ITS NOT SOUR GRAPES BY NO MEANS. IF I HAVE A DOG I CAN LOOK AT AND SAY THATS A CRACKER. ID MAYBE SHOW IT. IF IT DOESNT CONFORM TO THE ALL ROUND PACKEGE I WOULDNT ENTER IT . ITS WORKING DOG SHOWS NOT COUNTRY BUMPKIN CRUFTS. WHICH ITS TURNING OUT TO BE NOWDAYS . HAIR DRYERS AND SHAMPOO FOR MOST OF THEM.LOL SEE IT REGULAR. BUY A BARBOUR AND WELLIES GET RUSTIC ROUGH DOG AND YOUR A HUNTER/POACHER.LOL. THE REAL WORKING DOG SHOWS WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST IN THE NEXT DECADE.FACT. THE REAL DEALS ARE GETTING OLD NOW. WEVE HAD LONGER THAN WEVE GOT LEFT AND THE BODYS CANT CASH THE CHEQUES ,BUT YOULL FIND US IN A DITCH WAE 2 SKINNY DOGS AND A SKELETON,THATS WHAT THE MRS SAYS.LOL. LIFE DOESNT REVOLVE ROUND ROSETTSES,AND A GOOD DOG WILL SELL,S ITS SELF IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. NO SURRENDER. I don't think the first comment I've underlined is particularly common actually. Some of those that have posted on this thread are experienced and very capable judges,that I've either judged with or observed . Usually judges are announced before hand, if one had an unsatisfactory experience with a judge and didn't think much of their ability to pickout the best dogs , why would you go back for more,and twice at that? Quote Link to post
dytkos 17,800 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 The best workers aren't often the best lookers and vice-versa. A show is a beauty contest, the field is the place to decide the overall quality of the dog. There are lots of cracking looking, fit, conditioned dogs with great conformity at the shows. Several have never had a hard day/night out, never mind a normal working session. Surely everybody knows this? I once judged a show in Yorkshire when I got heckled for being a "black" (terrier) man. At that time I'd only ever owned one black dog, and he was very average. The black dogs were the best lookers, that why I picked them Happy show season folks Cheers, D. Quote Link to post
frazdog 252 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 f**k the shows look what happened to are other great workers.if some kc wanker gets hold of are pats were f****d Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 22, 2013 Report Share Posted May 22, 2013 The best workers aren't often the best lookers and vice-versa. A show is a beauty contest, the field is the place to decide the overall quality of the dog. There are lots of cracking looking, fit, conditioned dogs with great conformity at the shows. Several have never had a hard day/night out, never mind a normal working session. Surely everybody knows this? I once judged a show in Yorkshire when I got heckled for being a "black" (terrier) man. At that time I'd only ever owned one black dog, and he was very average. The black dogs were the best lookers, that why I picked them Happy show season folks Cheers, D. i heard someone say he`s a russell man a russell will win it ---i`d judged 7 shows that year and not put a russell up Quote Link to post
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