It's Not Going To Get Any Better. . . . .

[Astanley 11,568]

fk off Lab , your always ruining peoples threads ,your insatiable need for stats is now an obsession , get help .

[Ideation 8,216]

 

Too many 'hunters' (used in the broadest sense at times), not enough land.

 

Every year there are a lot more folk getting into it than there are folk getting out.

 

The numbers of game seem to be falling.

 

And they are not going to make any more land any time soon.

 

So what is the future of it all . . . . is there one?

 

Or eventually are the just going to be 1000's of people all trying to hit the same few spots . . . until they are gone as well?

 

 

Where is the stats to say more folk are getting into it than leaving? I'm not sure that's right!!

I'd have said that lack of game could be down to increase in BOP, different farming methods and weather to be honest.

 

 

Come on mate. . . . . .

 

Folk leave for a number of reasons. . . . . but aside from the flash in the pan hunters for who it is just a phase. . . . . think about all of the genuine hunters. . . . they guys who stay the course.

 

Every year more folk come of the age where they can get out and do it, then come of the age that they no longer can.

 

That's what I meant.

 

So in an area where there are a number of farms, the lads with permission on those farms tend to keep it. And the new guys coming up in that area cant get a look in, because unless those older guys die or suddenly give it all up . . . . there are no free farms.

 

Ya get me?

 

I would also agree that the climate conditions etc are a major factor. But i am as much talking about the land itself as the game on it.

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

I think the job of the guys who've been hunting for a while is to take newbies ( like me) and show them how to manage permissions and not just destroy populations of shootable quarry.

 

That way there should always be enough to go around. I'm door knocking now to get my own permissions and when I get one I'll be looking for an old hand to show me how to best manage it.

 

It's a tough one mate. And this is just me 'thinking out loud'. But you need quite a lot of land and quite a lot of game to really test yourself and your charges, and to be able to hunt properly over a season. With young lads coming into the game. Where do they find permission? Most of it is already sown up, and unless the folk do something really daft, die or retire from the game. . . . that land isnt coming up for grabs any time soon. The numbers of 'hunters' way way way exceed the number of farms and estates around. SO its just not physically possible for everyone who wants it, to have enough permission. So then a lot of folk must / do poach . . . . and they obviously poach the places that hold game. . . . . and so slowely these places come under so much pressure that they no longer hold the levels of game needed to support the numbers of folk hunting them . . . . . . .

There's large pockets of hunters in certain areas and small amounts of land available. However in other areas the opposite is true

 

 

In the past I would have whole heartedly agreed, but the ease of transport, the passing of information and the internet. . . . now means that a lot of people in the aforementioned areas know about the latter ones. You just need to look at the amount of folk putting in miles all over the country to get their sport.

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

I think the job of the guys who've been hunting for a while is to take newbies ( like me) and show them how to manage permissions and not just destroy populations of shootable quarry.

 

That way there should always be enough to go around. I'm door knocking now to get my own permissions and when I get one I'll be looking for an old hand to show me how to best manage it.

 

It's a tough one mate. And this is just me 'thinking out loud'. But you need quite a lot of land and quite a lot of game to really test yourself and your charges, and to be able to hunt properly over a season. With young lads coming into the game. Where do they find permission? Most of it is already sown up, and unless the folk do something really daft, die or retire from the game. . . . that land isnt coming up for grabs any time soon. The numbers of 'hunters' way way way exceed the number of farms and estates around. SO its just not physically possible for everyone who wants it, to have enough permission. So then a lot of folk must / do poach . . . . and they obviously poach the places that hold game. . . . . and so slowely these places come under so much pressure that they no longer hold the levels of game needed to support the numbers of folk hunting them . . . . . . .

There's large pockets of hunters in certain areas and small amounts of land available. However in other areas the opposite is true

 

 

In the past I would have whole heartedly agreed, but the ease of transport, the passing of information and the internet. . . . now means that a lot of people in the aforementioned areas know about the latter ones. You just need to look at the amount of folk putting in miles all over the country to get their sport.

 

i must live in a bubble then mate

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

Too many 'hunters' (used in the broadest sense at times), not enough land.

 

Every year there are a lot more folk getting into it than there are folk getting out.

 

The numbers of game seem to be falling.

 

And they are not going to make any more land any time soon.

 

So what is the future of it all . . . . is there one?

 

Or eventually are the just going to be 1000's of people all trying to hit the same few spots . . . until they are gone as well?

 

 

Where is the stats to say more folk are getting into it than leaving? I'm not sure that's right!!

I'd have said that lack of game could be down to increase in BOP, different farming methods and weather to be honest.

Come on mate. . . . . .

 

Folk leave for a number of reasons. . . . . but aside from the flash in the pan hunters for who it is just a phase. . . . . think about all of the genuine hunters. . . . they guys who stay the course.

 

Every year more folk come of the age where they can get out and do it, then come of the age that they no longer can.

 

That's what I meant.

 

So in an area where there are a number of farms, the lads with permission on those farms tend to keep it. And the new guys coming up in that area cant get a look in, because unless those older guys die or suddenly give it all up . . . . there are no free farms.

 

Ya get me?

 

I would also agree that the climate conditions etc are a major factor. But i am as much talking about the land itself as the game on it.

That's not changed though has it mate. People have had permittion to go on estates for years and everyone has had to wait and hope for an opening or poach.

I will agree its getting more difficult bits that's due to less ground to hunt due to houses and factories.

I hardly know any young lads that are into hunting, far too many playing the ps3 and Xbox. That want the case years ago, I'd have said there was a lot more youngsters involved. IMO that is but stats may prove me wrong.

Oh and faaaack off Stanley.....:-)

[iworkwhippets 12,539]

There is one particular place i go, and believe me or not, only myself work this land, and its teaming with my chosen quarry which is bunnies, i have other places i visit, not to bad, but this place is set in beautiful countryside, its like stepping back in time for me, i love the place, serenity, at 69 years of age, this land will see me out, only you true working lads will no what im on about, once im there, im a different man, nature at its best, i will, and do go the extra mile to find it

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

 

 

I think the job of the guys who've been hunting for a while is to take newbies ( like me) and show them how to manage permissions and not just destroy populations of shootable quarry.

 

That way there should always be enough to go around. I'm door knocking now to get my own permissions and when I get one I'll be looking for an old hand to show me how to best manage it.

 

It's a tough one mate. And this is just me 'thinking out loud'. But you need quite a lot of land and quite a lot of game to really test yourself and your charges, and to be able to hunt properly over a season. With young lads coming into the game. Where do they find permission? Most of it is already sown up, and unless the folk do something really daft, die or retire from the game. . . . that land isnt coming up for grabs any time soon. The numbers of 'hunters' way way way exceed the number of farms and estates around. SO its just not physically possible for everyone who wants it, to have enough permission. So then a lot of folk must / do poach . . . . and they obviously poach the places that hold game. . . . . and so slowely these places come under so much pressure that they no longer hold the levels of game needed to support the numbers of folk hunting them . . . . . . .

There's large pockets of hunters in certain areas and small amounts of land available. However in other areas the opposite is true

 

 

In the past I would have whole heartedly agreed, but the ease of transport, the passing of information and the internet. . . . now means that a lot of people in the aforementioned areas know about the latter ones. You just need to look at the amount of folk putting in miles all over the country to get their sport.

 

i must live in a bubble then mate

 

 

You are very lucky if you do mate. If it's keepered land. . . . . you are onto a winner, for obvious reasons. But still. . . . where ever you are on this fair isle. . . . if there is game there. . . .sooner or later the lamps will turn your way

[Ideation 8,216]

 

 

 

Too many 'hunters' (used in the broadest sense at times), not enough land.

 

Every year there are a lot more folk getting into it than there are folk getting out.

 

The numbers of game seem to be falling.

 

And they are not going to make any more land any time soon.

 

So what is the future of it all . . . . is there one?

 

Or eventually are the just going to be 1000's of people all trying to hit the same few spots . . . until they are gone as well?

 

 

Where is the stats to say more folk are getting into it than leaving? I'm not sure that's right!!

I'd have said that lack of game could be down to increase in BOP, different farming methods and weather to be honest.

Come on mate. . . . . .

 

Folk leave for a number of reasons. . . . . but aside from the flash in the pan hunters for who it is just a phase. . . . . think about all of the genuine hunters. . . . they guys who stay the course.

 

Every year more folk come of the age where they can get out and do it, then come of the age that they no longer can.

 

That's what I meant.

 

So in an area where there are a number of farms, the lads with permission on those farms tend to keep it. And the new guys coming up in that area cant get a look in, because unless those older guys die or suddenly give it all up . . . . there are no free farms.

 

Ya get me?

 

I would also agree that the climate conditions etc are a major factor. But i am as much talking about the land itself as the game on it.

That's not changed though has it mate. People have had permittion to go on estates for years and everyone has had to wait and hope for an opening or poach.

I will agree its getting more difficult bits that's due to less ground to hunt due to houses and factories.

I hardly know any young lads that are into hunting, far too many playing the ps3 and Xbox. That want the case years ago, I'd have said there was a lot more youngsters involved. IMO that is but stats may prove me wrong.

Oh and faaaack off Stanley.....:-)

 

 

Yer you have a point . . . . . ..and another very good one about the urban spread.

 

Maybe it's different with you up there. ., . . . . but everywhere I look, since the ban. . . . .so many more folk have got into hunting with dogs, not to mention the gun lads. Seems like I see running dogs everywhere now. But then I do live in wales.

[forest of dean redneck 11,591]

I thought about hunting squirrels this year,but some fecker near me has hammered the snot out of them,lol

[Ideation 8,216]

Just to say, I hope folk realize I just started this topic cos i'm home alone and bored shitless Good debate / chat usually does the job.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Just to say, I hope folk realize I just started this topic cos i'm home alone and bored shitless Good debate / chat usually does the job.

Aye that's baws excuse aswell.

[Ideation 8,216]

Well . . . . . i'm sticking too it!

[The one 8,477]

Depends what you can do ,ive got permissions ive had for ages then you get a call off a guy thats got a problem and wants it dealt with so if somebody has permission on that estate what they doing ?. Another farmer sold his farm to developers and bought two farms thirty minutes away and i went with him and theres nobody on the surrounding farms . .

So unless you live in a large city or dont do the job i cant see getting permission being a problem

[Ideation 8,216]

Depends what you can do ,ive got permissions ive had for ages then you get a call off a guy thats got a problem and wants it dealt with so if somebody has permission on that estate what they doing ?. Another farmer sold his farm to developers and bought two farms thirty minutes away and i went with him and theres nobody on the surrounding farms . .

So unless you live in a large city or dont do the job i cant see getting permission being a problem

 

Aye you are right mate. But you need a shit ton of land and game to really slake a thirst for it

[fret78 87]

Just to say, I hope folk realize I just started this topic cos i'm home alone and bored shitless Good debate / chat usually does the job.

A mass-debate is always good for the soul