Trammel Nets...

[Giro 2,648]

Who uses Trammels ???

 

What lengh nets and in what situation do you use them , Daytime - nights - both ??

 

Are they soley for rabbits or do netters catch hares in them ??

 

I had done a brief search and some topics that were archived, have some information.. Nothing that current tho ..

 

Are most pre set or do folk use traditional set up ??

 

What are pro & cons with a Trammel ??

 

I seen some old posts "Moley", "Chalkwarren" and "Duckwing" had commented on, stating rabbits dont bounce back out..

 

If the proffessionals use them, why are they less commonally used compared to longnets & stop nets ?

 

Any pictures, experiance positive or negitive would be great..

 

Bet they are c**t to get a hedgehog out of

 

 

Cheers in advance

Edited May 13, 2013 by Giro

[Tiercel 6,986]

I was just answering your penultimate question when my computer crashed. So I threw a wobbly (and nearly the computer out the window) I will try again.

 

1. Who uses Trammels ???

 

Quite a few people judging by the amount I have sold. I know moley bought some of netrigger and is over the moon with them. Max Abell also loves them he has bought quite a few off me.

 

2. What lengh nets and in what situation do you use them , Daytime - nights - both ??

 

I only make trammel stop nets 6 to 8 yarders. I don't know if he still does but netrigger has made some 25 yarders (braver man than me ) They are really only suitable for daytime ferreting. The trammel stop nets are ideal for ferreting headrows of large fields on your own, where the rabbits run along the hedges rather than out into the field.

 

3. Are they soley for rabbits or do netters catch hares in them ??

 

I have never heard of people catching hares in them but I suppose they would hold a hare.

 

4. Are most pre set or do folk use traditional set up ??

 

The stop nets I have sold have been used mostly as pre-set. Although I have used both. I have one gateway on tarmac it is only 4.5yards wide, I barred holes each side of the gate in the tarmac and made a trammel to fit it, with fixed poles each side of the net. When using them as stop nets I use them in the traditional manner, end pins and pegs.

 

5. What are pro & cons with a Trammel ??

 

The pro's are, you very seldom lose a rabbit out of them. If set right they will catch rabbits equally as efficiantly from either side. Cons, well that depends on your experience and outlook. To me they are a piece of pee to handle, but there again I used to fish a thousand yards of 100 meshes deep gill net on my own. Like any net you need to know how to handle them, once you do they are a dawdle. One other factor is I suppose a con, is that untill you get the knack, the rabbits can take an age to get out of the net. Yet again once you have the knack they are no worse than any other net.

 

6. I seen some old posts "Moley", "Chalkwarren" and "Duckwing" had commented on, stating rabbits dont bounce back out..

 

The way trammels work is in essence like a line of purse nets each square is like a purse net. Most rabbits hit a net at an angle, and even if they do hit it straight as soon as they are stopped they tend to bounce around. It is this angle and bouncing around that traps the rabbit in the purse. What usually happens is the rabbit will pull all the slack in that pocket tight and twist themselves and the pocket around the upright strands of the larger outer meshes.

 

Have a look at this picture it shows the pockets that square meshed trammel has.

 

 

For catching rabbits you really need one of netriggers square meshed trammels as opposed to a normal fishing trammel a normal trammel does not give you the same pockets as the netrigger square type, Have a look at this photo and try and imagine creating pockets as in the last photo with this type.

 

(photobucket as crashed again) :censored: :censored:

 

I know its a photo of the headline but the footline looks the same.

 

 

One question I am surprised you have not asked is about the mesh size of the inner wall. IMHO you will not get better than a 3,5" mesh, 4"is fine and does not detract from the nets catching ability but if you are using trammels that says to me you want to catch every rabbit and the 3.5" mesh will catch all but the smallest of rabbits.

 

7. If the proffessionals use them, why are they less commonally used compared to longnets & stop nets ?

 

The answer to that is simple. Cost! They are not a cheap net to make. The outers have to be hand knitted, The assembly of the component parts takes time. The pro's do not mind as they can set the cost against tax. The hobby rabbiter cannot do that and has to pay out quite a bit of money for them.

 

Photos this is when I crashed the first time and lost the lot. :censored:

 

8. Any pictures, experiance positive or negitive would be great..

 

I can't give you pictures of them in action but I can give you avpicture of a set up.

 

 

 

Hanked up for trad style usage.

 

 

9. Bet they are c**t to get a hedgehog out of

 

Never had that pleasure thank f .

 

TC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2013 by tiercel

[Giro 2,648]

What a reply

 

Excellent fella answered eveything and more

 

I dont love that new photobucket, my laptop crashed using it a few times and ended up with a virus

 

I have chucked a tangled mess in the van a few times and got myself all hot and bothered

 

I once even just gave a net away I had such a time with it the week before.. I did later regret that tho

 

Thanks matey..

 

Anyone else

[Country Joe 1,411]

Nice nets if you add floats and leaded foot line. netrigger is making me one, will put a post up next Season how i get on with it.

[Tiercel 6,986]

The good thing about trammels is that they are not affected by the wind as much as a normal net. If you are ferreting hedgerows using normal stop nets one each side of a warren, with any sort of a breeze one of the nets the bag of the net will be blowing the wrong way ie, towards the oncoming rabbits. With a trammel this still happens to an extent but by pulling the slack in the net up over the headline it reduces the effect so well that it becomes almost non-existent. As soon as a rabbit hits the net it pulls the netting off the headline without any problems.

 

TC

[Nobby 65]

A mate of mine was out ferreting with moley using his trammel nets and was very impressed with them. The rabbits were going nowhere he said .

[Sirius 1,391]

I started using a small one last season which Netrigger kindly gifted me...... I was very impressed, so I have ordered another larger one.

 

Like all nets used in the right situation they can be real killers. I found it really good for working steep hillsides as you don't get any net sliding down the running lines and ideal when working solo or on big places, as once the rabbits firmly in a pocket it isn't getting out to quickly that's for sure But when we are working thick hedges, woodland and briar patchs, the trammel gets a day off

 

 

 

Good hunting Sirius

Edited May 14, 2013 by Sirius

[Giro 2,648]

Is that a Traditional set up Sirus ??

 

Like the log of that lurcher.. Hows that one bred ??

 

Have you ever ventured out in the dark with it ??

 

Have yo collapsed one with multiple mass catches ??

[Sirius 1,391]

Is that a Traditional set up Sirus ??

 

Like the log of that lurcher.. Hows that one bred ??

 

Have you ever ventured out in the dark with it ??

 

Have yo collapsed one with multiple mass catches ??

 

Yes it is a traditional set up, I cant be doing with the quick set most of the time due to the bulk of the kit. I havent used it in the dark but I am due a few trips so may take it, I don't get 'mass' catches (I live in hope :laugh: ) as its used for ferreting and mostly the rabbits are despatched and removed pretty quick. But even with a couple balled up in the meshs I have had no problems with it collapsing. The biggest issue was the young dog piling in like youngsters do and snapping the odd peg over the season.

The lurcher is a mate of mines young bitch Bit of Deerhound, Greyound, Collie, with a splash of Sal..

 

Here's a pic of how I use the Trammel, just to stop rabbits going down hill. You can see the big square mesh wall of the net here. Forgive the poor setting of the last peg

Edited May 14, 2013 by Sirius

[Giro 2,648]

Nice one fella..

 

Looks the decent rigg..

 

Aye it gets a lot to carry. I have a ferret box like a wardrobe with the spade and nets could do with a quad lol.

 

Thanks for replys Gents

[3175darren 1,100]

Tiercel, what a good write up,you make me want to try one myself if the rabbit population keeps climbing like it is at the moment I will,I use traditional and quicksets,but last season was crap so they didnt get out,how much are the short stop nets ????

[Country Joe 1,411]

Could be good in the right situation, i wouldn't fancy using one at night, regarding rabbits escaping from the normal longnet, thats why i like a good dog that will chase the rabbit into the net and holding it. then if it bounces out its caught.

[terryd 8,522]

Balls going to have to make one of them now that's the problem with these good threads

[netrigger 568]

2000 yards of sheeting which all will be used for Trammel Nets .. 3 1/2" and 4" mesh.. The Pinky netting was a request from a special customer!!! He said " I want the Trammel to match my Plus 4's " Very strange Fellah !

 

 

 

 

 

I might even rig up a Trammel with Multi-Monofilament inners , I've only rigged this type of netting for the Fish..

 

 

 

 

Regards..

[Giro 2,648]

Wow, What lot of kit Netrigger.

 

 

Balls going to have to make one of them now that's the problem with these good threads

 

I could not even knit a purse net let alone one of them trammels..

 

Credit to these net makers