CWN-HELA 228 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 join your local club and ask for some young birds of some good stock, my old man help a fella few yeas ago with some birds showed him every thing training feed ect.. well my old man had a job to beat him after a few seasons..so important to get the right info and not crap. expensive job feeding and traveling up and down country training birds..my old man will start with maby 30-40 old birds and will only stop maby 15-20 birds and send the rest over the water for the channel race. and if they come home they come home, no point having a shed full off shit. any way good luck and happy flying. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 join your local club and ask for some young birds of some good stock, my old man help a fella few yeas ago with some birds showed him every thing training feed ect.. well my old man had a job to beat him after a few seasons..so important to get the right info and not crap. expensive job feeding and traveling up and down country training birds..my old man will start with maby 30-40 old birds and will only stop maby 15-20 birds and send the rest over the water for the channel race. and if they come home they come home, no point having a shed full off shit. any way good luck and happy flying. train em hard race em hard the best will come if i carried 6 good uns over i`d be happy ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CWN-HELA 228 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 join your local club and ask for some young birds of some good stock, my old man help a fella few yeas ago with some birds showed him every thing training feed ect.. well my old man had a job to beat him after a few seasons..so important to get the right info and not crap. expensive job feeding and traveling up and down country training birds..my old man will start with maby 30-40 old birds and will only stop maby 15-20 birds and send the rest over the water for the channel race. and if they come home they come home, no point having a shed full off shit. any way good luck and happy flying. train em hard race em hard the best will come if i carried 6 good uns over i`d be happy ... Plenty of good food goes a long way keeping them in top condition. Condition seed's , peanuts, red band all seed you would give to a wild birds. My old man is 1 of the top flyers in north west wales.. If he had a chance he would live in the sheds...haha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bootsha 1,306 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good foundation stock is the main ingredient, your method, feeding, dedication all are big counters, with a splash of luck thrown in, if it works ,stick to it. When you go into your loft, (without meaning to sound callous) look for a reason to cull something, if its got faults that your not happy with, cull it. Dont ever lower the bar, they have to come up to your standards, what you expect of them, not the other way about. As has been said, get some experience under your belt first from a good flyer if you can, see what he does, how he does it, you may end up tweaking a few things over the years to suit your system. Good food, clean water, dry, damp free, draught free loft / shed whatever, with good ventilation. And the DESIRE to succeed, you wont go far wrong mate. KEEP QUALITY NOT QUANTITY. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Good foundation stock is the main ingredient, your method, feeding, dedication all are big counters, with a splash of luck thrown in, if it works ,stick to it. When you go into your loft, (without meaning to sound callous) look for a reason to cull something, if its got faults that your not happy with, cull it. Dont ever lower the bar, they have to come up to your standards, what you expect of them, not the other way about. As has been said, get some experience under your belt first from a good flyer if you can, see what he does, how he does it, you may end up tweaking a few things over the years to suit your system. Good food, clean water, dry, damp free, draught free loft / shed whatever, with good ventilation. And the DESIRE to succeed, you wont go far wrong mate. KEEP QUALITY NOT QUANTITY. Thanks, how many birds would you need to fly at local club level and how much time a day do you need for them ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bootsha 1,306 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 i used to breed about 30/40 yb's, and race 9 widowhood cocks, and keep 8 pairs of stock birds. young bird team out for excercise for an hour in the morning, then widows out for an hour, do all the cleaning while the ybs are out or the widowers wont excercise so good if they see movement around the loft, feed and water everything, then off to work, hour and a half for yb's at evening and hour for cocks again. training tosses as well during the week etc etc. its a time consuming, no sorry, ALL consuming passion, you reap what you sew mate, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, less didsciplined when racing is over and birds are moulting etc, but even when they are chilled out during warm sunny days, after bathing etc, on open hole perhaps, just busying themselves back and for, when you call them in, they must come. Like young dogs, as pointless as it may seem when you are training them and teaching them manners when saplings, it pays off tenfold when they are older, same with racers. How many fanciers (myself included) have lost yb races when the bird comes home, lands on the roof of the loft for a second then comes in??? hundreds no doubt, that bird needs to trap like a f****n exocet, more so for the food at that age, but that habit will stick with it for its carreer, as ob's the lure of its mate etc waiting , gagging for it lol, will make him trap over your shoulder if your stood in the loft door. Embrace it mate, enjoy it, what a feeling to see a bird you bred racing back from hundreds of miles to come back to your loft. You cannot spend too much time with them imo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 had a yb-- infact he never changed like that bootsa would of won loads of races but he used to hit the house roof for a few seconds compose himself before trapping won a few bits but more often than not top 5 --many a time he came close to the chop in the end i put him in the stock loft he bred me a fair few winners over many differant hens his son won me fraserburgh all pools and nom 2 weeks on the trot he was my secret weapon i raced him all distances mid week then fraserburgh with my saturday clubs where they`d never seen him before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bootsha 1,306 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 had a yb-- infact he never changed like that bootsa would of won loads of races but he used to hit the house roof for a few seconds compose himself before trapping won a few bits but more often than not top 5 --many a time he came close to the chop in the end i put him in the stock loft he bred me a fair few winners over many differant hens his son won me fraserburgh all pools and nom 2 weeks on the trot he was my secret weapon i raced him all distances mid week then fraserburgh with my saturday clubs where they`d never seen him before Stig, i had a pair of brothers yb's, widermeersch, light cheq, feathered legs, first yb race, pitched on the f****n HOUSE roof ffs, then came in, his brother pitched on the loft, both came together, shrewsbury i think it was, i was trying to keep calm on the outside, but you know what was going on inside, in they came, 3rd and 4th,club. following week, same pair were back first again, trust me, they nearly knocked my outa the way on that occassion to trap, after i clocked them, there were squadrons of birds going down the valley, 1st and 2nd club, both in the top 10 fed. it only needs a split second as you know to be 1st or last. i was at my mates house one morning, another fancyier, got the message birds up, Lancaster, due about 1, anyhow, got home, all ready anyway, hens in boxes, got to the loft, door open, f**k me, heres one, in the clock, then the other 8 just came bang, bang bang, all home in a matter of 10 mins. went back up to my mates then for a brew, what the f**k are you doing ere he said, there due any minute, all home i said, not in any way swaggering about it, they just were..............then his first one came................... i topped the fed that week . But as you well know stig, it dont always go like that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 9,861 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Talking to an old boy up the allotments at the weekend and he was showing me the new clocking in set up saying they were about £500 to buy and lamenting on how meny younguns are not takeing it up in some of the former yorkshire mineing areas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Talking to an old boy up the allotments at the weekend and he was showing me the new clocking in set up saying they were about £500 to buy and lamenting on how meny younguns are not takeing it up in some of the former yorkshire mineing areas. my mates set up links to his computer --cost 1200 quid gone are the days whe you could buy a used toulet for a tenna ....another fella i knows been at it 40 year just retired cant afford to carry on .. Edited May 13, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Talking to an old boy up the allotments at the weekend and he was showing me the new clocking in set up saying they were about £500 to buy and lamenting on how meny younguns are not takeing it up in some of the former yorkshire mineing areas. my mates set up links to his computer --cost 1200 quid gone are the days whe you could buy a used toulet for a tenna ....another fella i knows been at it 40 year just retired cant afford to carry on .. What costs that much he has had to jack in ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Talking to an old boy up the allotments at the weekend and he was showing me the new clocking in set up saying they were about £500 to buy and lamenting on how meny younguns are not takeing it up in some of the former yorkshire mineing areas.my mates set up links to his computer --cost 1200 quid gone are the days whe you could buy a used toulet for a tenna ....another fella i knows been at it 40 year just retired cant afford to carry on .. What costs that much he has had to jack in ? feed,fuel for training he`s on his pension and he said if its only half an effort he wont bother he`s kept a few birds but he`d sooner spend the money he would of spent on pigeons on a holiday ----last year his take home pay was 420 he`s down to state pension now.. another fella i know retired 2 year ago had his best season last year wont pack up he says it gives him something to get out of bed for 2 sides of the coin ... Edited May 13, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CWN-HELA 228 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Electronic system is the boy. Just watch the birds hit the landing board and wait for the BEEP. You get 4-5 birds it the board they are all clocked same time race won maby. Electronic ring are expensive clip rings with home number, rings ect you have to have you heart in the game and be properd for the peragraine to give you a visit to your loft and start smashing in to you YBS not nice losing birds around you loft. I had a blue hen of my dad a few year back big irish bird distance bird she was had won across the water as a YB for the irish man any way he neva wanted her back.. Got her training hard over winter by her self and then training with the old birds be for racing,she was doing well in the races and coming very goid as race was going further, and be for a dover race i took 25-30 bird 35mile toss out they went got line of flight and started heading home all of a suden peragraine came see a bird be hind, when got home no irish hen. Its not easy out there for pigeons.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redial 81 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I loved it but got pigeon lung and packed in. The garden and sky above seem dead now. I've been into all sort's of hobbies over the year's but nothing comes close to waitingThere is always something to look forward for your bird's on race day. There is always something to look forward to young bird's,old bird's breeding few pints when they read the clocks. How I miss it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 How do you manage to fly them in the winter when your working with dark mornings and early nights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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