The God Delusion

[LaraCroft 863]

I was raised catholic, but soon realised that I didn't actually believe half of what was being taught, especially when "god created the world" lessons came straight after "evolution of animals and biology" lessons.

 

Standing in a church doesn't make you religious anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car. For what it is worth, when I heard someone describing the new testament as " the most elaborate and long lasting cover story from a woman who found herself pregnant, when her fiancé thought she was a virgin...."

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

Baw, no offence sir, but I'd presume you don't know a much a cells? Have a look at this video, I've not the time to explain. .

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

Born Hunter, the difference in macro and micro evolution the difference between Fact and Fiction. Again I've not the time explain personally, but have a look at this quote, it should be sufficient.

 

"Evolutionists blur the important distinction between micro and macroevolution. They work hard to make it seem like the two types of evolution are a continuous process, when really they are not. It is important for creationists to clearly understand and communicate this distinction. The key lies in understanding these processes at the molecular genetic (genotypic) level, as well as at the higher (phenotypic) level of tissues and organs. When we do, we can see clearly why microevolution happens all the time, whereas the kind of macroevolution theorized by Darwin never happened and never could. (In fact, some creationists are recommending that we try to get away from using terms like micro and macroevolution, and use terms like “variation” versus “evolution”.)

 

Microevolution is the occurrence of small inherited changes in a population. The classic example is Darwin’s finches, which show variations in size and shape over successive generations depending on the nature of their food supply. Many other similar examples could be readily cited, like the breeding of dogs or types of wheat. In Darwin’s day, the true nature of genes and heredity wasn’t known, so it was easy for him to suppose that little inherited changes could add up to big ones (like reptile to bird). However, the discovery of genes and how they work has shown that this is not so. Genes can impart great variety by combining in different ways, but genetic change cannot be pushed beyond a certain point. From generic dogs, we can breed big dogs or little ones, but we can’t turn a dog into an alligator. The important thing to remember about microevolution is that it always involves recombination or loss of existing genes. It never creates totally new genes from scratch. Microevolution makes variations within already existing kinds of creatures, not wholly new kinds. Creationists have no problem with microevolution.

 

Macroevolution, on the other hand, would require really big structural (phenotypic) changes in organisms. Genetically, it would require the creation of massive new arrays of information-packed genes from nothing but molecular gibberish. For example, the alleged evolution of the first cell calls for emergence of at least 300 highly complex, working genes from nothing but random, simple chemicals like methane and ammonia. Not even a small sequence of genetic code has ever been produced in this way, let alone 300 complex, interwoven genes working precisely together. Similarly, the theorized transitions from microbes to invertebrates, fish, reptiles, etc., call for added vast amounts of totally new genetic information at each stage. No process of genetic creation like this has ever been observed. Natural selection is powerless to create completely new genes from random chemicals.

 

To illustrate this idea, use a deck of playing cards to represent the gene pool of a created kind. The individual cards represent the genes. A standard 52-card deck of four suits can be shuffled and dealt into different sublets (hands) of great variety, just as genes are shuffled and recombined to create variations within kinds.

 

To show how microevolution works, deal out 5-10 cards to each “player” and have them select cards in their hands according to number, color, and suit. Then, unwanted cards can be returned to the remaining deck, reshuffled, and re-dealt. When the process is repeated a few times, the desired cards in the hand are concentrated. This is similar to the gene selection by which different variations within a kind are produced (like the Galapagos finches, or dog breeds).

 

The point is that any process of card selection cannot explain the origin of the deck (or creature) itself. Plus, it’s important to note that card selection causes other unselected cards to be lost from a hand. In the genetic world every species has a limited number of genes and chromosomes. When natural selection occurs, this means loss of information not gain.

 

So, let’s keep on calling attention to the vital difference between the two types of evolution – macro and micro. One postulates big changes; the other deals only in small changes. One has never been observed; the other has been observed many times. One requires creation of new genetic information; the other is only a recombination or loss of already genetic information. Most importantly, one denies the Creator, while the other shows the infinite creative genius behind the wonderful variety that we see in life."

 

If your not willing to accept it as written, again do your own research (I have) you'll find it to be true. .

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

But I will say this for myself. . To rule out God because you've had a bad experience with people who claim to believe in Him is an awful reason to abandon the notion that He may exist. . It amazes me that people are put off Christ by "so called" Christians and what they have done. . Do you think a perverted priest is representing the Christiian faith when he molesters a child? Would Jesus have condoned that? NEVER. . Quite the contrary, here's what He said about children.

 

"Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. (Matthew 18:5, 6 ESV)

 

And he took a child and put him in the midst of them, and taking him in his arms, he said to them, "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me." (Mark 9:36, 37 ESV)

 

The Bible warns little about atheists and agnostics, but has plenty to say about the so called godly:

 

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15 ESV)

 

Don't let anyone or anything paint a picture of what something is, you could be misled, look for yourself, you may find that the thing has been done a gross injustice and misrepresentation. .

ATB

[baw 4,360]

Baw, no offence sir, but I'd presume you don't know a much a cells? Have a look at this video, I've not the time to explain. .

 

no offence taken mate, not got 3G on my phone at the minute but will look after

[walshie 2,804]

Field Marshall - I have said many times this thread was never to argue the God vs No God idea, and you have hijacked it in order to browbeat everyone into submission. Maybe some of us don't need enlightening.

 

If you wish to carry on with these theories, please start your own thread. Thanks.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Field Marshall you sound like a proper "God botherer" trying to instill your way on people, typical of your ilk, if they don't listen just keep blathering on about it or as walshie said keep brow beating them !

 

edit........some religious people remind me of anti's, if we don't "believe" then we're heathens.

[Paid 935]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I find it easier to just skip over his posts after his first 2

[paulus 26]

God is this still going on

[Tiercel 6,986]

Well I find his posts really Ironic, he is using science (or the lack of it) to try and prove the creationists theory.

 

TC

[Huan72 687]

Religion comes in many forms..................I do understand the difference between the spirit of religion and its organisation. The church with its money is as far from what is taught in the New Testament as humanly possible, its not just about the deviant priests we hear about, its about the massive accumulation of wealth, land and power. Forget the wars, exterminations, inquisitions and burnings, if it is true that its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, then the church is screwed. I can not take seriously any man that tells me to give to the poor, put others first and love thy neighbour when they preach from a gold lined pulpit

 

A spiritual experience to me, is watching a beautiful sunset, sitting on a hill on the southdowns, with bronze age earthworks casting shadows, with my dog, does that make me a pagan......no. Any religious feelings I have are personal and I don't feel the need to try and convert others. I believe in evolution, I get the feeling there's something missing but scientists say that also.

 

Not trying to wind some people up here, but whose to say God/gods were not aliens, sounds silly till you do some research, it fits the bill as much as any belief and heres another one for thought.......it is my personal belief that my dog is closer to God that any man ever will be

[paulus 26]

Religion comes in many forms..................I do understand the difference between the spirit of religion and its organisation. The church with its money is as far from what is taught in the New Testament as humanly possible, its not just about the deviant priests we hear about, its about the massive accumulation of wealth, land and power. Forget the wars, exterminations, inquisitions and burnings, if it is true that its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, then the church is screwed. I can not take seriously any man that tells me to give to the poor, put others first and love thy neighbour when they preach from a gold lined pulpit

 

A spiritual experience to me, is watching a beautiful sunset, sitting on a hill on the southdowns, with bronze age earthworks casting shadows, with my dog, does that make me a pagan......no. Any religious feelings I have are personal and I don't feel the need to try and convert others. I believe in evolution, I get the feeling there's something missing but scientists say that also.

 

Not trying to wind some people up here, but whose to say God/gods were not aliens, sounds silly till you do some research, it fits the bill as much as any belief and heres another one for thought.......it is my personal belief that my dog is closer to God that any man ever will be

Have you watched Prometheus? it explains everything even why sigourney weaver had to fight aliens centuries earlier

[scothunter 12,609]

is that a good movie paulus?was gonna watch it other day.

[walshie 2,804]

Religion comes in many forms..................I do understand the difference between the spirit of religion and its organisation. The church with its money is as far from what is taught in the New Testament as humanly possible, its not just about the deviant priests we hear about, its about the massive accumulation of wealth, land and power. Forget the wars, exterminations, inquisitions and burnings, if it is true that its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, then the church is screwed. I can not take seriously any man that tells me to give to the poor, put others first and love thy neighbour when they preach from a gold lined pulpit

 

A spiritual experience to me, is watching a beautiful sunset, sitting on a hill on the southdowns, with bronze age earthworks casting shadows, with my dog, does that make me a pagan......no. Any religious feelings I have are personal and I don't feel the need to try and convert others. I believe in evolution, I get the feeling there's something missing but scientists say that also.

 

Not trying to wind some people up here, but whose to say God/gods were not aliens, sounds silly till you do some research, it fits the bill as much as any belief and heres another one for thought.......it is my personal belief that my dog is closer to God that any man ever will be

 

Even if those feelings DID make you a Pagan, I can comprehend why people worship the sun and the land. Those have given us life for thousands of years, and if people want to consider that some form of religion, it makes sense.

 

Being told to go to church and grovel for our eternal salvation just doesn't sit right with me. I genuinely believe I can be a decent person without having to plead to some unseen being.

 

To be honest, the alien thing is far more plausible.

[paulus 26]

is that a good movie paulus?was gonna watch it other day.

its average mate