Anyone Exchanged Their .17Hmr For A .22 Magnum???

[Deker 3,478]

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

[jam1e 12]

Thanks for the replies folks, sounds a problem with the gun, and or my cleaning regime. I'll get a rod cleaning kit and give that a try....

[jam1e 12]

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

Cheers for the reply Dekers, It's good to get an opinion from someone who runs both regularly...

If guns and distances (sensible) were identical would you say the wmr has the same degree of accuracy as the hmr?

Cheers

Jamie

[Deker 3,478]

 

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

Cheers for the reply Dekers, It's good to get an opinion from someone who runs both regularly...

If guns and distances (sensible) were identical would you say the wmr has the same degree of accuracy as the hmr?

Cheers

Jamie

 

 

Nope, HMR always has the edge in accuracy, but it is a very small edge.

 

17g V Max HMR Verses 30g V Max WMR apparently deliver very similar energy by the time you get out to 100 yards, but experience has shown me the WMR delivers it more effectively. It has better stopping power and energy transfer to the quarry. I'm not entirely sure why, but it obviously punches a bigger hole, seems to go straight through Canada wing feathers (HMR not so good here) and certainly has the edge for me in most fox/Canada goose situations over HMR. As I have said before though, I rate the HMR as an excellent longer range small vermin (rabbit/squirrel) calibre with occasional fox/Canada.

 

For some reason I have just never really seen the WMR as a rabbit/squirrel calibre

[jam1e 12]

 

 

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

Cheers for the reply Dekers, It's good to get an opinion from someone who runs both regularly...

If guns and distances (sensible) were identical would you say the wmr has the same degree of accuracy as the hmr?

Cheers

Jamie

 

 

Nope, HMR always has the edge in accuracy, but it is a very small edge.

 

17g V Max HMR Verses 30g V Max WMR apparently deliver very similar energy by the time you get out to 100 yards, but experience has shown me the WMR delivers it more effectively. It has better stopping power and energy transfer to the quarry. I'm not entirely sure why, but it obviously punches a bigger hole, seems to go straight through Canada wing feathers (HMR not so good here) and certainly has the edge for me in most fox/Canada goose situations over HMR. As I have said before though, I rate the HMR as an excellent longer range small vermin (rabbit/squirrel) calibre with occasional fox/Canada.

 

For some reason I have just never really seen the WMR as a rabbit/squirrel calibre

 

 

The accuracy comparison is interesting Dekers. Would i be right in thinking that given the same circumstances as in the previous post, (like for like) would the wmr have the edge on a windy day due to more stability due to extra weight/mass?

Just to add, that i intend on sorting the hmr accuracy, however, i feel strangely drawn to a .22 wmr. (Or was....) Perhaps it's just a case of wanting a new toy??

Edited May 29, 2013 by jam1e

[jam1e 12]

Well i know all people have different ideas about what they like , i had 22lr, 17HMR 22.250,243 and 308.I got rid of the 22lr and kept the 17 hmr as i found it to be alot better safer and more use for my type of shooting.I had 2 different 22.250s and got rid of both of them and bought a 223 much better rifle for foxing and easier and cheaper to feed.kept my 243 which i must say i use more than any other of my rifles and as for the 308 i use For Boar and the Reds.but if i only could have 0ne rifle it would be the 17 HMR i Have had one for many years and have never had a split casing jammed bullet or to many miss fires. I have shot thousands of rabbits, corvids and Fox with it, it is fairly cheap to run and easy to find the food for it.I unlike a lot of people only have praise for the little round perfect for what i want a rim fire for .

I could see why you would want to change from a .22-250 to a .223. I'm kind of drawn to a change from my current .204, to a .223. However, barrel wear isn't so much of a problem for the .204, and as i reload, (and enjoy it) it's not such an issue. Although, if available perhaps i should of gone for a tighter twist barrel to be able to run bigger bullets?? I digress....

I don't think i'd ever get rid of my .22lr. Infact if it were to be either a .22lr or the hmr, (despite my current issues) it would be a very hard decision to make indeed! I just love how quiet and accurate they are out to around 50-70 yards.

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

 

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

Cheers for the reply Dekers, It's good to get an opinion from someone who runs both regularly...

If guns and distances (sensible) were identical would you say the wmr has the same degree of accuracy as the hmr?

Cheers

Jamie

 

 

Nope, HMR always has the edge in accuracy, but it is a very small edge.

 

17g V Max HMR Verses 30g V Max WMR apparently deliver very similar energy by the time you get out to 100 yards, but experience has shown me the WMR delivers it more effectively. It has better stopping power and energy transfer to the quarry. I'm not entirely sure why, but it obviously punches a bigger hole, seems to go straight through Canada wing feathers (HMR not so good here) and certainly has the edge for me in most fox/Canada goose situations over HMR. As I have said before though, I rate the HMR as an excellent longer range small vermin (rabbit/squirrel) calibre with occasional fox/Canada.

 

For some reason I have just never really seen the WMR as a rabbit/squirrel calibre

 

 

The accuracy comparison is interesting Dekers. Would i be right in thinking that given the same circumstances as in the previous post, (like for like) would the wmr have the edge on a windy day due to more stability due to extra weight/mass?

Just to add, that i intend on sorting the hmr accuracy, however, i feel strangely drawn to a .22 wmr. Perhaps it's just a case of wanting a new toy??

 

I tend to use almost exclusively the 30g Hornady V-Max WMR, that and the 40g stuff has more problem with cross wind than HMR, some of the 50g stuff isn't too bad but I have no use for that.

 

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

 

Usefull guide, tick the appropriate ammo, then the compare box at the top of the page, next page you will see wind drift (etc).

[jam1e 12]

 

 

 

 

Like for like the lr will not shoot better at 100 yards than a HMR.

 

The obvious conclusion is "something" isn't right about the HMR.

 

Amongst other things I run 2 x .22lr (bolt and semi), HMR and WMR and I use them all, but I would not trade a HMR for a WMR.

 

My HMR is a small vermin tool with occasional fox and Canada, I just don't see the WMR as a small vermin tool personally. Just the same is delivers excellent trajectory and terminal performance with the 30g V Max which is what I use in it most of the time now.

 

Main use for the WMR is Canada clearance and fox, with the 30g V max there is no need for pinpoint accuracy at sensible distance, and you can hit a Canada almost anywhere you want with the WMR and it falls down, the HMR needs better placement!

 

I love my WMR with a passion but if it came to a choice of either HMR or WMR the HMR would be the one to stay.

Cheers for the reply Dekers, It's good to get an opinion from someone who runs both regularly...

If guns and distances (sensible) were identical would you say the wmr has the same degree of accuracy as the hmr?

Cheers

Jamie

 

 

Nope, HMR always has the edge in accuracy, but it is a very small edge.

 

17g V Max HMR Verses 30g V Max WMR apparently deliver very similar energy by the time you get out to 100 yards, but experience has shown me the WMR delivers it more effectively. It has better stopping power and energy transfer to the quarry. I'm not entirely sure why, but it obviously punches a bigger hole, seems to go straight through Canada wing feathers (HMR not so good here) and certainly has the edge for me in most fox/Canada goose situations over HMR. As I have said before though, I rate the HMR as an excellent longer range small vermin (rabbit/squirrel) calibre with occasional fox/Canada.

 

For some reason I have just never really seen the WMR as a rabbit/squirrel calibre

 

 

The accuracy comparison is interesting Dekers. Would i be right in thinking that given the same circumstances as in the previous post, (like for like) would the wmr have the edge on a windy day due to more stability due to extra weight/mass?

Just to add, that i intend on sorting the hmr accuracy, however, i feel strangely drawn to a .22 wmr. Perhaps it's just a case of wanting a new toy??

 

I tend to use almost exclusively the 30g Hornady V-Max WMR, that and the 40g stuff has more problem with cross wind than HMR, some of the 50g stuff isn't too bad but I have no use for that.

 

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

 

Usefull guide, tick the appropriate ammo, then the compare box at the top of the page, next page you will see wind drift (etc).

 

Excellent site Dekers! Much appreciated!

[jam1e 12]

I took the stock off today, just to be sure everything was tight and give the barrel another loooong soak in what maybe my poor quality cleaner.......

Anyhow, on doing so i noticed the following. Where the barrel screws into the receiver block there is a hole drilled and tapped on the underside of the receiver just infront of the plastic magazine holder. I presume it's for a locking type grub screw. However, there is no grub screw in it. Close up i can see where the maker has tapped a chisel type mark accross the mating face of the barrel and receiver. I presume this is done to ensure that if the barrel were to be removed, it could be screwed back on to exactly the same place it was originally. Now i'm left wondering if there should be a locking grub screw keeping the barrel in place, and maybe it's worked loose and has dropped out without me noticing??

But having said that the "punch" lines do still look perfectly aligned.

Hopefully, a picture should be attached showing the drilled and tapped hole. Could anybody out there clarify if there cz 452 hmr has the same drilled and tapped hole, and if so, does it have a grub screw in said hole??

Edited May 13, 2013 by jam1e

[pothunter 33]

pretty sure mine does not , mine is older as its all metal no plastic

[jam1e 12]

pretty sure mine does not , mine is older as its all metal no plastic

Anybody out there who can confirm the same, that there barrel thread grub screw is infact fitted

[jam1e 12]

No idea about the grub screw, and only one reply from Pothunter.

Thanks for the reply mate!

As for the accuracy issue. A full Hoppe's cleaning rod kit with copper bore cleaner and were back to normal! So nice one on that front anyhow.

[Big steve 0]

 

pretty sure mine does not , mine is older as its all metal no plastic

Anybody out there who can confirm the same, that there barrel thread grub screw is infact fitted

 

The threaded hole you have shown is where your stock bolt screws into on the .17HMR ....my two CZ's are the same just remember when you screw the stock back on the the front bolt is slighty longer by 3 threads .....i always make sure that both stock bolts are the same tightness too ......my 22" barrel silhouette can do 15mm group at 100 yrds no problem ....my 22" barrel style struggles to do a 25mm group at 100 yrds.....and both are cleaned every 300 rounds ......hope this helps mate ......ATB Steve