Malt 379 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Someone just posted this elsewhere on the site: http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/288646-no-expert-firearms-representation-under-proposed-legal-aid-changes-this-is-serious/ From the link on that thread: It is expected that the number of firms with a legal aid franchise will drop from 1,600 to fewer than 400, with many small countryside solicitors being badly affected. Legal aid will be contracted out to companies such as G4S, Tesco and Eddie Stobart. The firms will also be paid a fixed fee for each case, meaning that they will have a financial incentive if the defendant pleads guilty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 ..but then again maybe now lawyers and solicitors will drop their f*****g prices if they ain't getting a constant stream of legal aid through their bank balances, the price they charge is just as responsible for the average working man or woman being denied access to good legal representation.. I had to use one recently £90 for a letter and £200 plus vat per hour for any other work carried out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 ..but then again maybe now lawyers and solicitors will drop their f*****g prices if they ain't getting a constant stream of legal aid through their bank balances, the price they charge is just as responsible for the average working man or woman being denied access to good legal representation.. I had to use one recently £90 for a letter and £200 plus vat per hour for any other work carried out My solicitor charges in 6 minute increments or part therof. 6 min = £25. Letters are extra. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 it simple to see rom the link that they are making every effort to simply railroad poor people into pleading guilty everytime they are accusesd of a crime, this allows the police to get a higher conviction rate and makes the courts look like they really are doing there job. However the downside is not every person accused of a crime is actually guilty of said crime, even the police seem to forget this when someone makes an accustaion, they side immediatley with that person and treat the defendant as the guilty party. The o nly ones to suffer will be the poor and thats not fair, why should people simply plead guilt, to save themselves a legal battle they cannot afford? sort of sets the tone for next time don't it? don't get me wrong the legal aid system needsz shaking up, millions wasted, usually by wasters whoi contribute little to society, but in genuine cases where its not clear cut legal aid and accsess to the best defence is essential, the way we heading is a bad road to go down, especially when we nto even in charge of our own country, the final wordsin europe anyhow ...well thats if you can afford to argue that far 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,479 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Like everything else your going to have to pay insurance to cover you if you ever need it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Like everything else your going to have to pay insurance to cover you if you ever need it bingo , the money simply shifts from rich solicitors along to those rich people who invest in the insurance industry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I don't know if it applys to Scotland yet but there are few specialist lawyers in Scotland that are available on legal aid thats why we are SACS members that solves our problems. I will add any problems north of the border don't hesitate to get in touch advice is free and may point you in the right direction. I joined SACS through Hunting Life, that way I know that should the worst ever happen I will get a specialist solicitor representing me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bell 3,601 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The goverment and their puppet Grayling have made their minds up. They only want 400 firms nationwide carrying out criminal defence work. Fees will be reduced by at least 17.5%, a fact which probably most of the general public wont give a toss about but............the biggest kick in the bollox for mr public is that they will NOT be entitled to the solicitor of their choice if they qualify for legal aid (which every person arrested does irrespective of wealth) The upshot of this is that you my friends may end up being represented by the village idot who has no incentive to do you a good job as he will be getting paid regardless and will never see you again. The goverment want the likes of tescos on board and feck me even Eddie Stobbarts have thrown their hat in the ring. I know the majority of joe public assume all lawyers to be fat cats but believe me those who work in the criminal defence side, getting up at all hours to go down the copshop for what in reality is a pittance, do earn their coin. Legal aid rates have not had an increase for years but more importantly, and im sure some of you lads have regular criminal briefs, you are going to be forced to be represented by who the 'state' tell you.........this cannot be right and cannot be allowed to happen..............watch this space. Bell 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,937 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 But its ok for preachers of hate and nonces to get it for top barristers whilst the man on the street has to struggle with "my cousin Vinny" type briefs who'll get you jail then tell you "yeah you got off lightly" while all the while you could have had a not guilty verdict with the correct representation. Kick the working man/ low income in the nuts again by refusing his right to proper council. Cameron...your a complete cnut . Pesci got him off didn't he?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,832 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 But its ok for preachers of hate and nonces to get it for top barristers whilst the man on the street has to struggle with "my cousin Vinny" type briefs who'll get you jail then tell you "yeah you got off lightly" while all the while you could have had a not guilty verdict with the correct representation. Kick the working man/ low income in the nuts again by refusing his right to proper council. Cameron...your a complete cnut . Looking at your avatar mate I can only say that this type of thing will go on.......for ever and ever and ever and ever........lol lol lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 But its ok for preachers of hate and nonces to get it for top barristers whilst the man on the street has to struggle with "my cousin Vinny" type briefs who'll get you jail then tell you "yeah you got off lightly" while all the while you could have had a not guilty verdict with the correct representation. Kick the working man/ low income in the nuts again by refusing his right to proper council. Cameron...your a complete cnut . Looking at your avatar mate I can only say that this type of thing will go on.......for ever and ever and ever and ever........lol lol lol :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
splitcane 5 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I've just edited my original post in the General Airgun discussion forum to include the web address at which it is possible to do something positive to prevent these proposals - a petition against them on the official Government web site. I thought that, as this thread merely refers to mine, rather than moving it, I'd better post it here, too. The petition doesn't specifically mention firearms because a lot more categories of offence would be affected than just firearms, but don't let that put you off. This affects shooters - and perhaps especially air rifle shooters, given the issues around the 12 ft/lb law - at least as much as anyone else. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/48628 Do sign it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 if eddie stobarts are setting up as a law firm..............you will have access to specialist solicitors .........if its a tachograph offence 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 also just thought TESCO? what if your nicked for shoplifting from tesco's thats a proper conflict of interest for the solicitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
splitcane 5 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 also just thought TESCO? what if your nicked for shoplifting from tesco's thats a proper conflict of interest for the solicitor Signed it yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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