Saluki Men / Bringing On Pups / Summer Hares

[sniffer 167]

My dogs were lamped on rabbits never seen them stop at hedges think its an old wives tale.a pups either got heart or it hasnt.

I have seen rabbit dogs pull up at hedges with my own eyes that would run all day on open land nothing to do with heart you can spoil some dog's if they run to mmany rabbit's and its not no wife's tail..

[inan 841]

 

 

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it wouild not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

 

Simple the pup could be coiming of age for an easy run summer time, as for rabbits they can do a coursing dog harm you dont want a cousing dog pulling up at hedges thinking little bunny has gone down a hole

 

I start all my dogs on rabbit always have.

 

Its up to the individual but I see no necessity for hares to be run during the summer months, and no one has ever given me a convincing argument to make me change my mind.

[nans pat 2,575]

 

My dogs were lamped on rabbits never seen them stop at hedges think its an old wives tale.a pups either got heart or it hasnt.

 

I have seen rabbit dogs pull up at hedges with my own eyes that would run all day on open land nothing to do with heart you can spoil some dog's if they run to mmany rabbit's and its not no wife's tail..

all the land we run is hedges wire gates ect.theres no room if a dog stops at gates hedges its gone...any dog will run on open land why wouldnt it.

[dimmock20 278]

 

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it would not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

 

 

you obviously wrote the bible on the do`s and dont`s of running hares so i appologise for having my oppinion or a different way of doing things

[sniffer 167]

 

 

 

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it wouild not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

 

Simple the pup could be coiming of age for an easy run summer time, as for rabbits they can do a coursing dog harm you dont want a cousing dog pulling up at hedges thinking little bunny has gone down a hole

 

I start all my dogs on rabbit always have.

 

Its up to the individual but I see no necessity for hares to be run during the summer months, and no one has ever given me a convincing argument to make me change my mind.

 

I start my young dogs on rabbits also then on to leverates that's what i do and alway's will but to many rabbits can ruin an out and out hare dog full stop..

[sniffer 167]

 

 

My dogs were lamped on rabbits never seen them stop at hedges think its an old wives tale.a pups either got heart or it hasnt.

I have seen rabbit dogs pull up at hedges with my own eyes that would run all day on open land nothing to do with heart you can spoil some dog's if they run to mmany rabbit's and its not no wife's tail..

all the land we run is hedges wire gates ect.theres no room if a dog stops at gates hedges its gone...any dog will run on open land why wouldnt it.

 

Yes but you run a hare dog on rabbits all the time it can ruin them they can expect them to go to ground ive seen hare's go to groun but it is pretty depending on the ground or up a pipe but is rare..

Edited May 9, 2013 by sniffer

[captain2010 2,806]

Icey I think it's old age with speedie he hates to see another man with better dogs,I remember him telling me if you get offered big money for your dog sell your dog there is alway another one to bring on and get,even speedie tried to sell his red and White bitch but men would not buy her I wonder why be no selling ted he the family pet so that goes to tell ya about speedie

[hounddog3 744]

ffs capt dont turn this into another u v speedie topic it,ll get it closed down if u want start a topic about you and speedie,s GREATday,s out when you,s were friend,s were sick of the bickering it ruin,s to many topic,s.

[captain2010 2,806]

That's Sound hounddog that's last inam saying on this but the sly remarks is all I was on about and I never said I had great days out hounddog but stick to the summer topic or whatever it's about alb hounddog

[inan 841]

 

 

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it would not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

 

 

you obviously wrote the bible on the do`s and dont`s of running hares so i appologise for having my oppinion or a different way of doing things

 

 

You asked a question, I aswered it ,its called a forum, where people give their opinions, [ sarcasm is easy isn't it?]

 

I said four times its up to the individual, how, and when he runs hares

 

.I've told no one else what he should, or should not do, nor tried to persuade them to change what they are personally comfortable with.

 

If you can give me a convincing reason there is a necessity to run summer hares to bring on a pup I'll change my opinion.

As to what you think or do I couldn't care less

. Now why not address my question instead of making sarky comments?

Edited May 9, 2013 by inan

[goldfish 185]

every 1 does it and lads in the coursing game who say they dont are lieing b*****ds

[cheeser 306]

 

every 1 does it and lads in the coursing game who say they dont are lieing b*****ds

you speak for youself

[goldfish 185]

 

every 1 does it and lads in the coursing game who say they dont are lieing b*****ds

you speak for youself

 

im a voice for the people

[Ideation 8,216]

Some really interesting points and answers, and for the most part no slagging! A rare thing here!

 

I asked, not as a dig, but because I don't really know that much about the world of Hare coursing, it's never really been my thing, living in places where either there are not really many hares, or its not land you can run, or simply not having a dog capable

 

I know that it's each to their own etc etc. And I think it's a little different with the rabbits.

 

My main questions were, does everyone do this, which i have found is a NO.

 

And also, because of the kind of runs / land they are on, and the kind of dogs being used, the age etc, does it not put them at real risk of joint, bone or ligament injury???

 

Finally, I also notice that in many parts of the country, people have spoken this year, about there being a real lack of hares. . . . . would they still use this method to bring young dogs on? Or is it only folk where there are loads of hares that do it?

 

In my simple mind, I always kind of saw the day time coursing lads, as those that had the greatest respect for their quarry, in the hunting world, they kind of (to me. ) held them up as sacred. . . . . at least the ones I have met properly.

 

It's just interesting, and i'm glad we could have the debate without it just being an argument or finger pointing.

 

 

P.S - On the topic of morals etc, we should never allow ourselves to think that because they banned hunting with dogs, it is somehow immoral, and so we can accept any actions that we do as part of it, without considering their morality. There is a right and wrong way of doing most stuff. . . . it's just sometimes a bit hard to differentiate between the two.

[cheeser 306]

suppose it comes down to what ever rocks youre boat some do and some dont