Saluki Men / Bringing On Pups / Summer Hares

[New speedie 2 91]

How many of the pups that were started last season are still with the people that started them why do some people keep changing their dogs. For some of the reasons that have been mentioned on here running double and when they finally get out on their own they cant do it or when the hares pick up their two slow

[louth tiger 1,259]

you no what happen to last year pups alot did not make it

[New speedie 2 91]

you no what happen to last year pups alot did not make it

Why do yea think that was tiger was it the breeding or may be they were started two young or maybe got bumped in the pack ?????????????

[captain2010 2,806]

Some people when they get offered big money for a dog they sell them speedie now I now your talking about me selling the red bitch I had but I put a lot a work into her and got offered a lot of money for her and took it she is only around the corner now big mouth SPEEDIE that black thing you have I run you next season with the red bitch I had in December or anytime any place or any of my dogs pick one of the pups and belive me that red bitch only ran single and killed plenty of hares all winter and I would of proved it if you had the balks and took up the offer,now I run you for a fiver for free or for whatever money winter time but you be hiding again come winter your like a little snake with the snidy little digs,you were not on winter time last season hiding,the man that owns the red bitch I sold is on here I sure he give me her to run you see if she has speed to do it on her own when hares pick up.AND SHAKES YOU BRING WHO YOU LIKE ALL TALK IN THE SUMMER NOT TO BE SEEN IN THE WINTER

[New speedie 2 91]

Some people when they get offered big money for a dog they sell them speedie now I now your talking about me selling the red bitch I had but I put a lot a work into her and got offered a lot of money for her and took it she is only around the corner now big mouth SPEEDIE that black thing you have I run you next season with the red bitch I had in December or anytime any place or any of my dogs pick one of the pups and belive me that red bitch only ran single and killed plenty of hares all winter and I would of proved it if you had the balks and took up the offer,now I run you for a fiver for free or for whatever money winter time but you be hiding again come winter your like a little snake with the snidy little digs,you were not on winter time last season hiding,the man that owns the red bitch I sold is on here I sure he give me her to run you see if she has speed to do it on her own when hares pick up.AND SHAKES YOU BRING WHO YOU LIKE ALL TALK IN THE SUMMER NOT TO BE SEEN IN THE WINTER

I never mentioned you captain or your dogs what ever you do with your dogs is your own business and what I do with mine is my business .As for running im not interested louth tiger is running a comp that should sort all the running out .I have my opinion on things and you have yours .

[captain2010 2,806]

I am for sure entering in Louth tiger comp speedie and I am sure your going to enter in to his comp,speedie thing is nobody nos who your talking about it's all snidy remarks just mention the men's names instead of all the snidy remarks,now if you want to see the red bitch running chalky of here will meet you for a friendly run just incase you were referring to that bitch,but sure no one nos who you do be on about ????? i am leaving it at this not even going to bother with people likes throwing digs,and can squirm there way out of anything, just glad your not on about me speedie you said enough about my dogs already leave it at that

[New speedie 2 91]

I am for sure entering in Louth tiger comp speedie and I am sure your going to enter in to his comp,speedie thing is nobody nos who your talking about it's all snidy remarks just mention the men's names instead of all the snidy remarks,now if you want to see the red bitch running chalky of here will meet you for a friendly run just incase you were referring to that bitch,but sure no one nos who you do be on about ????? i am leaving it at this not even going to bother with people likes throwing digs,and can squirm there way out of anything, just glad your not on about me speedie you said enough about my dogs already leave it at that

If your paranoid captain that has nothing to do with me if you read what I said I dident mention any one as for talking about anyones dogs my dogs get mentioned on here more than most so as yea said leave it at that don't want to get this mans topic blocked

[nans pat 2,575]

September hares are softer than january ones why notvstart them then? Or go all the way an start on mice haha

dunno about mice but my coursing pups join in killing rats along with the terriers rats bring them on to had to pen the hens up their trying to kill them aswell lol .

[inan 841]

 

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready for hare after hare, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Agree with most of what you say arcticgun, but I've never known a young get sickened with rollovers its there job if they need to dig a little bit deeper when the goin gets tough then they should,it's what they've been bred to do, it shouldn't be a problem if you've put in the effect before hand conditioning them to the best of your ability. People going on this thread as if butter don't melt in there mouth, got to respect your quarry we all know what happens to them once caught

 

It's how and when they're caught that's important,imo. Each to his own.

[inan 841]

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it would not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

Edited May 9, 2013 by inan

[inan 841]

 

 

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready for hare after hare, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Agree with most of what you say arcticgun, but I've never known a young get sickened with rollovers its there job if they need to dig a little bit deeper when the goin gets tough then they should,it's what they've been bred to do, it shouldn't be a problem if you've put in the effect before hand conditioning them to the best of your ability. People going on this thread as if butter don't melt in there mouth, got to respect your quarry we all know what happens to them once caught

 

don't get me wrong mate I have done it and likely will do again on the odd occaision, confidence is defintaley important factor and fur in gob gives just that, its finding the right days when they fully developed and no damage can be done, real soft going days are rare mid to late summer, even after a couple of days downpour the ground remains solid packed hard and unforgiving, don't get me wrong chances have too be taken as nowts ever perfect, maybe just better not discussed on oipen forum as we all know it happens and its very much each to their own, but niot much point in painbting a poorer picture of ourselves is there, at the end of the dya its down to the man on the end of the lead as too what and how he fetches the dog on,,,,,

 

If telling the truth about how an individual runs hares is likely to paint a poor picture of him, perhaps he should take another look at his way of doing things?

[captain2010 2,806]

Paranoid no just making sure you not sly digging at my dogs what you do with everyone else on here that's all,I had a very good season last year and had enough pictures on here to prove it,and hopefully I be as lucky this season and meet more men and get hunting with different lads,now that's cleared up I am out of this topic have a football match tonight lot of training,winter is the only time to run the dogs,can't wait for season ahead

[sniffer 167]

 

 

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

 

No, once it was picking up rabbits pretty regularly i would give it a run on a hare in October, picking out smallish fields in which it would hopefully get on terms quick, giving a realistic slip for the pup and, if not it did not get on terms it wouild not get dragged all round a fen, risking it being blown.

 

I don't see why that would have to be done in the summer instead of October, maybe you can enlighten me?

 

Simple the pup could be coiming of age for an easy run summer time, as for rabbits they can do a coursing dog harm you dont want a cousing dog pulling up at hedges thinking little bunny has gone down a hole

[iceman001979 1,316]

Speedie your always having digs at other ppl or there dogs. You never talk about the topic in hand. People dont have the pups fr last year because they didnt make it.

[nans pat 2,575]

My dogs were lamped on rabbits never seen them stop at hedges think its an old wives tale.a pups either got heart or it hasnt.