Saluki Men / Bringing On Pups / Summer Hares

[cheeser 306]

my last post on this lads matter what way youes butter this up its wrong

[iceman001979 1,316]

so youre sayin its alright to run pups and a seasoned dog on summer hares cause this is whats happenning so that tells you the hare must die why else is older dog there

[iceman001979 1,316]

Who talking about seasoned dogs the topic is about pups all am saying is l rather give a pup one by its self on a summers evening then doubled up at start off the season or slipped in on a already ran hare

[running addiction 207]

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready for hare after hare, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Agree with most of what you say arcticgun, but I've never known a young get sickened with rollovers its there job if they need to dig a little bit deeper when the goin gets tough then they should,it's what they've been bred to do, it shouldn't be a problem if you've put in the effect before hand conditioning them to the best of your ability. People going on this thread as if butter don't melt in there mouth, got to respect your quarry we all know what happens to them once caught

[nans pat 2,575]

If a pup is walked round the park on a lead an another pup is hunted and slipped in on handy kills.following older dogs through fences ect.i know what 1 ide rather have.

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready for hare after hare, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Agree with most of what you say arcticgun, but I've never known a young get sickened with rollovers its there job if they need to dig a little bit deeper when the goin gets tough then they should,it's what they've been bred to do, it shouldn't be a problem if you've put in the effect before hand conditioning them to the best of your ability. People going on this thread as if butter don't melt in there mouth, got to respect your quarry we all know what happens to them once caught

 

don't get me wrong mate I have done it and likely will do again on the odd occaision, confidence is defintaley important factor and fur in gob gives just that, its finding the right days when they fully developed and no damage can be done, real soft going days are rare mid to late summer, even after a couple of days downpour the ground remains solid packed hard and unforgiving, don't get me wrong chances have too be taken as nowts ever perfect, maybe just better not discussed on oipen forum as we all know it happens and its very much each to their own, but niot much point in painbting a poorer picture of ourselves is there, at the end of the dya its down to the man on the end of the lead as too what and how he fetches the dog on,,,,,

[pritch 335]

well likes been said it's down to each individuals to work out for themselves whats right or wrong but

the ones that think it's right loose the moral argument when they moan about hares being lamped

[hounddog3 751]

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

[arcticgun 4,548]

If a pup is walked round the park on a lead an another pup is hunted and slipped in on handy kills.following older dogs through fences ect.i know what 1 ide rather have.

 

If a pup is walked round the park on a lead an another pup is hunted and slipped in on handy kills.following older dogs through fences ect.i know what 1 ide rather have.

they should be going hard into cover and jumping fences dikes turning properly etc long before they see the arse end of any fur,no place to learn to tackle a fence is on a course, being fetched on right and allowed to grow usually allows em loads of freedom to learn from older dogs and get muscled up, eventually as we all know they eventually come across quarry and get a chase or two and maybe even a catch, that sthe way I like mi ne to go in, that way they do it as it comes up or at their own rate,

[arcticgun 4,548]

in short there is a differnece between pups hunting up the oidd rabbiot or even harte whilst out and about exercising, I thinbk what we on about here is going out in summer to walk fields as ya do in winter with aim of flushing hare a and slipping dog, or slipping older dog to tie up and dominate hare before slippping young un in to finish

[inan 841]

in short there is a differnece between pups hunting up the oidd rabbiot or even harte whilst out and about exercising, I thinbk what we on about here is going out in summer to walk fields as ya do in winter with aim of flushing hare a and slipping dog, or slipping older dog to tie up and dominate hare before slippping young un in to finish

Makes me wonder how those that don't run summer hares ever manage to get a pup picking up its game in the winter?

If it was that vital, surely those youngsters that are not given summer runs, slipped in on tired hares etc , would not make the grade?

[pritch 335]

alot of folk just can't wait to get there dog going & come up with all sorts of excuses

& it is likely to spoil more than it helps a bit of patience ain't a bad thing & that goes

for lurchers in general

[hounddog3 751]

how many off you would run your bitch if she was in pup not to many so why run pregant doe,s .

[dimmock20 278]

it,s like fury at the boxing feed them a diet of soft one,s to build up a big reputition then when they meet a goodun get blown away.i say let em bred in the summer an our sport will be in a healthier state next season why have season,s if some just hunt all the way through. an what about respect for the land owner,s who without there permission we,d be fcuked surley u cant be runing through livestock and expect to be welcome,d back next season.

 

building up confidence is key to sucess, if you had a young tallented boxer (im not reffering to fury) under your wing would you keep putting him in fights he was going to get beat or would you graduely bring him on ie go through amatuer career then step up into the professional league, in hunting terms a few easy rabbits etc some softer hares learning there trade where there not going to get a real bad tanking you wouldnt take a young sapling down to the fens mid january that had never seen a hare and start giving it 150-200 yard slips for 3/4 runs would you?

[Hot Meat 3,109]

September hares are softer than january ones why notvstart them then? Or go all the way an start on mice haha