Saluki Men / Bringing On Pups / Summer Hares

[New speedie 2 91]

well speedie how do you go about starting a pup . how did lady do this season on your system

Started her on her own banter and she did alright.I had another young bitch aswell slipped her in a couple of times not enough speed but I knew that before I ran her .TRUE STORY BANTER. A hare jumped one day I had the two young bitches out about end of November I slipped lady the hare was about 80yrds out she got to him and ran him well for about 2 mins all in one field so I slipped other bitch to kill the hare .She only got in ladys way and f****d up the run the hare got away she was about 4 or 5 months older than lady very well bred I think lady will be a good bitch next season she killed a few last season single so looking forward to see how she turns out The other bitch had a hunting accident had to be put asleep

[iceman001979 1,316]

So tell me this its not ok to give a pup a run in the summer months buts its ok to run doubled up at the start off the season????? Its ok to block gates and gaps. Its ok to slip a pup in on one that has been run???? Well this is the way l see it to many ppl sit on this making them selfs to be mr perfect. We have all blocked a gate. We have all run doubled up. We have all slipped in and we have all took a pup out for a evening run in the summer at one stage or another. I be giving pup few runs on few hot spots and come start season she be going single simple she not good enough come.end year l start over.

[nancy 275]

Never run in summer never blocked a gate never lamped I'd stop hunting first iceman

[Huan72 687]

Chasing the Hare has led to breeding's, debates and discussions for generations, creating the ultimate coursing dog has reached an almost "holy grail" type situation. I can not understand why some one would want to go after hares when they are less than fit and/or pregnant, in my mind it lessens the "magic" of the whole Hare thing. Leave them be in summer, give them a chance to breed and only chase them when they are fit, that way you really know what your dog can do. Each to there own but when they are gone, they are gone! Hares, in my opinion should be treated in the same way that other top notch game is around the world, it should have a closed season to ensure numbers into the future and should be chased within a set of rules, not bushwaked or ambushed, it just demeans the chase. Its only my opinion, not a lecture but that's what forums are for.......opinions

[iceman001979 1,316]

but you have slipped in or run doubled if you have theres no differnce. Imo each tell there own but the word respect and sport make me laugh at times.

[nancy 275]

Iv run doubled up pup and older dog never slipped in never lamped or I'd be out on the street never hunted in summer like I said I'd pack it in first but everybody has morals on how they do things

[cheeser 306]

So tell me this its not ok to give a pup a run in the summer months buts its ok to run doubled up at the start off the season????? Its ok to block gates and gaps. Its ok to slip a pup in on one that has been run???? Well this is the way l see it to many ppl sit on this making them selfs to be mr perfect. We have all blocked a gate. We have all run doubled up. We have all slipped in and we have all took a pup out for a evening run in the summer at one stage or another. I be giving pup few runs on few hot spots and come start season she be going single simple she not good enough come.end year l start over.

or you long coursin mate coming out with these statements cause all you have posted here goes against the grain of fair play

[captain2010 2,806]

Some good read on hear stories are all coming out now lol what happened last winter were the people with the big long stories hiding,single handed is the way to go you know exactly what you have then,I ran all last season single and done well proved it to whoever would meet me for a hunt I went meet Icey and richy c of here and temple and paddy had some great crack and great stories,I also seen and hunted with men that was hunting 40 years and more and belive me they make you laugh more than anyone yes sliping in,and slipping in on tired long ears,can't belive the shite they are talking on here lol,hopefully next season I meet many more lads and get out for a hunt bring the camera and get it up on here,FUNNY STORIE THIS ON TRUE STORY I heard lads hunting with each other last season one mans dog was running very well and knocking over a few,a very bitter man was telling people he had his dog druged up lol now what next lol

[Saluki246 1,053]

I find, slipping in more than 1 dog and worse 2, makes them get in each others way! A good dog/bitch, seems to work the hare better on its own. As for summer hunting, certain members on this topic, have done it to bring on pups.

Each to their own, but as i get more into this crazy game of coursing, i find slipping just the one dog, the best, you know what you have then.

[inan 841]

but you have slipped in or run doubled if you have theres no differnce. Imo each tell there own but the word respect and sport make me laugh at times.

They certainly seem to be strangers to each other, judging by some of the comments.

[iceman001979 1,316]

 

 

So tell me this its not ok to give a pup a run in the summer months buts its ok to run doubled up at the start off the season????? Its ok to block gates and gaps. Its ok to slip a pup in on one that has been run???? Well this is the way l see it to many ppl sit on this making them selfs to be mr perfect. We have all blocked a gate. We have all run doubled up. We have all slipped in and we have all took a pup out for a evening run in the summer at one stage or another. I be giving pup few runs on few hot spots and come start season she be going single simple she not good enough come.end year l start over.

or you long coursin mate coming out with these statements cause all you have posted here goes against the grain of fair play

[iceman001979 1,316]

Fair play expain?????? What is fair play????? All am saying is there is to many that talk about fair play but they have did one off the things l have said. Slip in. double up.lamp. The list goes on and on l just dont keep myself going like most l tell the way it is

[cheeser 306]

so youre sayin its alright to run pups and a seasoned dog on summer hares cause this is whats happenning so that tells you the hare must die why else is older dog there

[arcticgun 4,548]

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready for hare after hare, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Edited May 9, 2013 by arcticgun

[paulsmithy83 567]

Id reckon quality would come in over quatity in this matter am not suprised that many go out in summer for easy kills and to get confidence in pups etc , what never fails to suprise me is thge 'urgent need' to tell everyone, they know its against the grain, pest control excuse don't cut it not when it comes to hare coursing, as its a sport/test one quarry againsrt another, some choose to play by a set of established loose rules fair play , proper slip, etc cutting corners usually ends in tears when it coimes to sport, theresusually only one or two viable ways to get the desired results and its usually patience and hard graft, any corners cut will likely coem back to haunt you later in season.

 

Surely the grounds too hard especially for young pups? stones ect do not move, constant pounding on hard compact surface with no give, not place for young soft devloping bones, tender growth plates, then theres the bits you cannot see like in the mind, are they really ready foir hare after harte, if goin gets rough in comes big dog to rescue etc, won't happen if they in a comp heat runnign alone in december no rescue misson, once the ground deepens dogs need supple tendons etc to deal with it ,

 

surely better to wait until grounds had plenty of rain on it and pups properly grown and matured mentally, fair does ya run less but imho the pup will learn more runnign some good uns as oppossed to a load of rollovers, maybe not as tempted to throw in towel and dig a little deeper when needed. Likesay I know sod all really just observation and whats worked for me personaly, there just seems to be a lot of wastage every year I know somes downto poor breeding but some must be down to poor entering as well

Lest sum1 talkin sense. I find aswell it can bring a plodder on waitin for work to be done for um I seem it before I mukas lamp dogs that been doubled ,on own useless and waitin expectin it to be turned. To many bad habit can be put in doubled. Plus added injury risk is that worth it ??????