American Eagle Hollow Points Not Dropping Foxs ¿

[danw 1,748]

He does have a zero he clearly states he zeros for 200 yards and is aware of his hold under value at 100yds

[Deker 3,478]

He does have a zero he clearly states he zeros for 200 yards and is aware of his hold under value at 100yds

 

I'm not getting picky, he said like he always does (with his previous ammo, that was the impression I got anyway) shooting 1.5 inches high, that may give a 200 yards zero with his usual ammo, with Federal (AE) HP it is not likely to be on the same zero!

 

Whichever way you want to look at it, no fox is going walkabout if it is hit in the right place with this Federal (AE) stuff, so he isn't hitting it in the right place, that could be down to the zero, ammo, or shooter, possibly his barrel just doesn't like this stuff, it happens, plenty of other possibilities as well! :thumbs:

Edited June 1, 2013 by Deker

[GEOFF.223 83]

It sounds as though the quality isn't great on the ammo. A HP should expamd to 1.5 - 2 x calibre so the exit and entry holes shouldn't be the same size.

 

I agree with Decker throughout this thread. Something with the power of .223 should stop any fox stone dead. If it isn't doing then there's something seriously wrong with the ammo and placement.

 

I also concur that you don't have a zero if you're 1.5 inches high! Zero means just that zero drop, elevation or latitude. If Zero'ed you should be hitting dead centre + / - usual grouping allowances. I really can't understand why you'd want to be shooting 1.5 inches high as effectively you need to aim your cross hairs 1.5 inches low just to get a true shot at 100 yards.

 

If you're shooting at -120 yards, then zero at 100 and dig out the ballistic tables or go down the range and learn the elevation at yards and the drop at 120 yards. That way you can aim spot on at 100 yards, but slightly low at or slightly high at 120 using the markings on your scope or your own judgement depending on the reticule type. Alternatively, you could dial in compensation!

 

Either way, with a known zero its much easier to work from as otherwise your compensating for drop + 1.5 or elevation - 1.5.

Thank you ever so much for the lesson after 6 year's of shooting rifles including air rifle which are harder to shoot in the means of hold under / over.

[danw 1,748]

 

 

 

was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go.

 

rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual .

 

the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing themes but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit.

 

also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine.

 

last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range.

They will NOT fragment very well, they are Jacketed HP, they will peel back and expand mushroom fashion, or go clean through depending where you hit the fox, possibly both.

 

Just exactly where do you think you were hitting these foxes, because whatever you may think, if you put one of these in the right place the fox will fall down!

 

"rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual" WHY, if you are shooting foxes -120, why are you not zeroed at 100 yards, and just where is the zero if you are 1.5" high at 100 yards??

average fox seems yo be around the 150-170 Mark. it really zerod at 200 which gives me a all round zero as i know my hold under position at 100yds

 

all foxes hit on chest

Not been picky at all deker but this says geof has a zero of 200 yds and he knows his holdunder or do I understand this incorrectly?

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

 

was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go.

 

rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual .

 

the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing themes but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit.

 

also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine.

 

last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range.

They will NOT fragment very well, they are Jacketed HP, they will peel back and expand mushroom fashion, or go clean through depending where you hit the fox, possibly both.

 

Just exactly where do you think you were hitting these foxes, because whatever you may think, if you put one of these in the right place the fox will fall down!

 

"rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual" WHY, if you are shooting foxes -120, why are you not zeroed at 100 yards, and just where is the zero if you are 1.5" high at 100 yards??

average fox seems yo be around the 150-170 Mark. it really zerod at 200 which gives me a all round zero as i know my hold under position at 100yds

 

all foxes hit on chest

Not been picky at all deker but this says geof has a zero of 200 yds and he knows his holdunder or do I understand this incorrectly?

 

 

It says .............. rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual.

 

It doesn't say he checked any zero at 200 yards on the new ammo, from that I took it to mean his normal ammo was zeroed at 200 which was 1.5 high at 100, that doesn't mean the AE will produce a 200 yards zero if it is 1.5" high at 100.

 

What I also said was .............

Whichever way you want to look at it, no fox is going walkabout if it is hit in the right place with this Federal (AE) stuff, so he isn't hitting it in the right place, that could be down to the zero, ammo, or shooter, possibly his barrel just doesn't like this stuff, it happens, plenty of other possibilities as well! :thumbs:

 

If by any chance he has REALLY zeroed the AE at 200 yards then the answer to the question is, what sort of groups did you get, because if they were tight, then why haven't you delivered the AE to the right part of the fox and stopped it rather than chasing injured ones round the countryside!

Edited June 1, 2013 by Deker

[danw 1,748]

 

 

 

 

 

was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go.

 

rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual .

 

the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing themes but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit.

 

also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine.

 

last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range.

They will NOT fragment very well, they are Jacketed HP, they will peel back and expand mushroom fashion, or go clean through depending where you hit the fox, possibly both.

 

Just exactly where do you think you were hitting these foxes, because whatever you may think, if you put one of these in the right place the fox will fall down!

 

"rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual" WHY, if you are shooting foxes -120, why are you not zeroed at 100 yards, and just where is the zero if you are 1.5" high at 100 yards??

average fox seems yo be around the 150-170 Mark. it really zerod at 200 which gives me a all round zero as i know my hold under position at 100yds

 

all foxes hit on chest

Not been picky at all deker but this says geof has a zero of 200 yds and he knows his holdunder or do I understand this incorrectly?

It says .............. rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual.

 

It doesn't say he checked any zero at 200 yards on the new ammo, from that I took it to mean his normal ammo was zeroed at 200 which was 1.5 high at 100, that doesn't mean the AE will produce a 200 yards zero if it is 1.5" high at 100.

 

What I also said was .............

Whichever way you want to look at it, no fox is going walkabout if it is hit in the right place with this Federal (AE) stuff, so he isn't hitting it in the right place, that could be down to the zero, ammo, or shooter, possibly his barrel just doesn't like this stuff, it happens, plenty of other possibilities as well! :thumbs:

Aye but he states he checked his zero which I take to mean he has checked his ZERO (OF 200YDS) with the Ae and whilst he dosent say he did this as it is his zero point then one would assume it to be the case

 

As for every fox falling if hit correctly well ive seen fox run after perfect heart shots with what would be considered plenty of gun

[Alsone 789]

 

Thank you ever so much for the lesson after 6 year's of shooting rifles including air rifle which are harder to shoot in the means of hold under / over.

 

 

No offence meant Geoff. Was just pointing out the folly of having a zero which is 1.5 inches astray. Not everyone who reads the forum necesarily understands this.

[Alsone 789]

It says .............. rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual.

 

 

That's what I read and understood to be the case as well.

[GEOFF.223 83]

1,5" high at 100 was giving me zero at 220yrds

 

On day of testing it was very windy and not really clarifying the real poi

 

Hornady 53g were averaging 0.75 low at 200 with a 1.5" high at 100

[Macky 227]

1,5" high at 100 was giving me zero at 220yrds

 

On day of testing it was very windy and not really clarifying the real poi

 

Hornady 53g were averaging 0.75 low at 200 with a 1.5" hi

geoff 223 your name should be called billy bullshit cause you read and talk some shit

[GEOFF.223 83]

 

 

1,5" high at 100 was giving me zero at 220yrds

 

On day of testing it was very windy and not really clarifying the real poi

 

Hornady 53g were averaging 0.75 low at 200 with a 1.5" hi

geoff 223 your name should be called billy bullshit cause you read and talk some shit

Rich coming from a yorkshire terrier breeder who uses his mom's fish net tights as purse net's u sad excuse of a huntsman. You learn to call them foxes yet ????

 

To those who wonder were this is coming from i used to knock mackys mum's back door in on a regular basis and he he is very bitter about it but as we all know every hole a goal even if its a fat sleezy gypsy looking tramp.

 

Don't worry mackypoo i do still love you like a brother even if you don't. xxxx

[riflehunter583 58]

I have come across a few people who have been having foxes run off using hollow points. They are best used for paper punching.

 

like has been said, ballistic tip or soft nose (thin jacket) is best for fox as fox bodies are small and fragile.

 

you owe it to the fox to kill it outright. plus its a good feeling getting a swift clean kill.

[walshie 2,804]

My local RFD sells AE hollow points as target ammo.

[GEOFF.223 83]

 

 

was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go.

 

rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual .

 

the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing them but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit.

 

also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine.

 

last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range.

They will NOT fragment very well, they are Jacketed HP, they will peel back and expand mushroom fashion, or go clean through depending where you hit the fox, possibly both.

 

Just exactly where do you think you were hitting these foxes, because whatever you may think, if you put one of these in the right place the fox will fall down!

 

"rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual" WHY, if you are shooting foxes -120, why are you not zeroed at 100 yards, and just where is the zero if you are 1.5" high at 100 yards??

Most of my fox's are shot between 100 and 300 yards if i hold crosshairs on center mass i will hit the fox from 100 to 300 yards no problem with this method of zeroing. All my friend set .223 1,5" high at 100yards and there .22-250s at 1" high at 100yards. THIS IS THE NORMAL PROCEDURE FOR A FOXING SETUP. this thread was talking the American eagle not expanding enough for a instant kill at around 100yards.

 

The one fox i did manage to get at around 170yards the bullet had fragmented reasonable well and dropped the fox on the spot but im not happy with a bullet that will not kill out right at 100yards, take that with a pinch of salt as im comparing them to hornady ballistic tips which basically explode at 100yards compared to American eagle's.

[GEOFF.223 83]

 

 

Thank you ever so much for the lesson after 6 year's of shooting rifles including air rifle which are harder to shoot in the means of hold under / over.

 

No offence meant Geoff. Was just pointing out the folly of having a zero which is 1.5 inches astray. Not everyone who reads the forum necesarily understands this.

No offence taking just don't understand the big deal with zeroing 1.5" high at 100yards.

 

When i zero my rifle for rabbit's i click scope down 6 clicks so poi is dead on 100yards

Edited June 2, 2013 by GEOFF.223