GEOFF.223 83 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go. rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual . the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing them but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit. also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine. last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range. Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Dump them and go back to what you was using ! ...sometimes isn't it a case of "if it ain't busted don't fix it " .. Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 were about are you shooting them? Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 this is just an observation. four foxes wounded. and none retrieved. and this is the prefered method of humane fox control. this post shows me that a good dog is a very handy tool to have . as you would have found and despached a percentage if not all of the foxes. the very first one retrieved would have given you an idea what was happening. this is in no way having a go but shows the value of a good dog for following up after the shot 4 Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 Owen ..leave my dongle out of this.!!!... Quote Link to post
fitchet 788 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 this is just an observation. four foxes wounded. and none retrieved. and this is the prefered method of humane fox control. this post shows me that a good dog is a very handy tool to have . as you would have found and despached a percentage if not all of the foxes. the very first one retrieved would have given you an idea what was happening. this is in no way having a go but shows the value of a good dog for following up after the shot Just goes to highlight the true cruelty of the hunting ban imo .... 1 Quote Link to post
GEOFF.223 83 Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 this is just an observation. four foxes wounded. and none retrieved. and this is the prefered method of humane fox control. this post shows me that a good dog is a very handy tool to have . as you would have found and despached a percentage if not all of the foxes. the very first one retrieved would have given you an idea what was happening. this is in no way having a go but shows the value of a good dog for following up after the shot have a dog but after seeing my friend's dog with a bad case of mange it has put me of using her on fox's Quote Link to post
GEOFF.223 83 Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 were about are you shooting them? one was side on central chest and the other 3 were head on two whimpered so 100 percent hit. i shot a few rabbit's with them today to see out come, not very good expansion on rabbit's at 100yards compared to the plastic tip boys. Quote Link to post
GEOFF.223 83 Posted May 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 checked my zero today again bang on 1.5" high at 100yards 5 shot group all touching resting on sand bag. my target was pinned on a 4" thick piece of wood. exit hole was only about 1" at the most Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 I wouldn't take that as a guide Geoff , there is a lot of difference between skin muscle bone & wood , Quote Link to post
charlie caller 3,654 Posted May 6, 2013 Report Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) this is just an observation. four foxes wounded. and none retrieved. and this is the prefered method of humane fox control. this post shows me that a good dog is a very handy tool to have . as you would have found and despached a percentage if not all of the foxes. the very first one retrieved would have given you an idea what was happening. this is in no way having a go but shows the value of a good dog for following up after the shot Hmmm well as an observation from someone who both shoots foxes and has hunted them with dogs,I have yet to see a dog, good bad or indifferent, kill a fox stone dead at 350 yards, the op is using the wrong bullet to shoot them,end of,if he switches back to Vmax,Sierra blitz,Nossler bt, ect then every fox he points at will be stone dead,and I can assure you he will not need a dog to follow them up,they will be turned inside out.In fact I will offer a challenge,I will bet 500 quid that if you put me in front of say 10 foxes,I will assuming I hit them,flatten every one stone dead,there hows that,up for it anyone? Edited May 6, 2013 by charlie caller 1 Quote Link to post
rimmer 33 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I agree, AE ammo tends to be hot and runs faster than advertised, but i cant seem to find an AE hollow point on the federal site? are you sure they were hollow point and not FMJ? I assume you are using 223? 1 Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) I agree, AE ammo tends to be hot and runs faster than advertised, but i cant seem to find an AE hollow point on the federal site? are you sure they were hollow point and not FMJ? I assume you are using 223? AE223G Edited May 7, 2013 by Deker Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 was using hornady ballistic tips for foxing but got 60 american eagle hollow points for £30 so thought i would give them a go. rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual . the last 4 foxs i have shots have disappeared i thought i was missing them but after the 4th so call miss i went and had a good look in the field for blood and yes found abit of blood so it hit. also checked zero tonite also tonight and it was fine. last few fox's have been to 120 yards away and bullet does not seem to fragment very well at that range. They will NOT fragment very well, they are Jacketed HP, they will peel back and expand mushroom fashion, or go clean through depending where you hit the fox, possibly both. Just exactly where do you think you were hitting these foxes, because whatever you may think, if you put one of these in the right place the fox will fall down! "rezerod 1.5" high at 100yds as per usual" WHY, if you are shooting foxes -120, why are you not zeroed at 100 yards, and just where is the zero if you are 1.5" high at 100 yards?? Quote Link to post
rimmer 33 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 well spotter Deker Saw the jacketed bit and didnt read the rest. Quote Link to post
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