pritch 335 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 11:44, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 07:09, pritch said: ukip is just the right wing of the tory party the only policy they've got besides having a vote on gettin out of the EU is big tax cuts for the rich (40% tax bracket) which will remain the same but it will incorporate their national insurance where as now they pay 40% plus the NI & the rest of us our tax will rise to 25% & incorporate NI though how they will fund this they haven't said given that they want to pay more to reduce the national debt they will have to make further swathing cuts just to reduce borrowing. it's one thing to sit in opposition shouting i'll do this & i'll do that totally different doing it when in power And with all these politicians talk of "fairness" what could be more fair than everyone pays the same with the lowest earners taken out of tax altogether? Your politics of hate and envy is one of the things thats wrong with this country!! who do i hate & who do i envy coz i pointed out they want to increase the gap between the rich & the poor by giving them a far bigger % tax cut why not give everyone the same percentage or just merge them leaving folk payng the same amount & take more low earners out of the tax system that would benefit those hit hardest in these hard times & how are they gonna fund all this along with greatly reducing the national debt as they say they are going to do.the only way is to make even more cut backs made a lot easier if you've just got another big fat tax break on a wage of £100000 minimum while giving those it will hit hardest a lot less.it all probably seems more than fare to you as you sound like your the one who's envious of the haves, just don't forget to curtsy next time you pass one in the street Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 make all benifits means tested would save a fortune but it would be unpopular with the grey vote and therin lies the problem, polotics is as much about popularity as it is policy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,965 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 13:58, pritch said: On 01/05/2013 at 11:44, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 07:09, pritch said: ukip is just the right wing of the tory party the only policy they've got besides having a vote on gettin out of the EU is big tax cuts for the rich (40% tax bracket) which will remain the same but it will incorporate their national insurance where as now they pay 40% plus the NI & the rest of us our tax will rise to 25% & incorporate NI though how they will fund this they haven't said given that they want to pay more to reduce the national debt they will have to make further swathing cuts just to reduce borrowing. it's one thing to sit in opposition shouting i'll do this & i'll do that totally different doing it when in power And with all these politicians talk of "fairness" what could be more fair than everyone pays the same with the lowest earners taken out of tax altogether? Your politics of hate and envy is one of the things thats wrong with this country!! who do i hate & who do i envy coz i pointed out they want to increase the gap between the rich & the poor by giving them a far bigger % tax cut why not give everyone the same percentage or just merge them leaving folk payng the same amount & take more low earners out of the tax system that would benefit those hit hardest in these hard times & how are they gonna fund all this along with greatly reducing the national debt as they say they are going to do.the only way is to make even more cut backs made a lot easier if you've just got another big fat tax break on a wage of £100000 minimum while giving those it will hit hardest a lot less.it all probably seems more than fare to you as you sound like your the one who's envious of the haves, just don't forget to curtsy next time you pass one in the street UKIP has stated they would introduce a flat rate of Tax for everyone and do away with NI (which is just a tax by another name).........it dont get much fairer than that!! Cutbacks is what we so badly need, cut backs in TAX and the things most of it is used to fund !!........you would have a lot less "have nots" if you stop taking all folks wages in tax and let them get out and earn a living!! When folks can support themselves then they wont need welfare or large parts of the NHS so its a self cutting thing with little or no effect......thats the theory! You stick with the good old "Tax/Spend/handout" socialist way of doing things if you want to, personally I think its killing my country and we could well do without it. Give me one good reason why a bloke who earns a million quid a year should pay a bean more in tax than you? Welfare at the moment isnt a safety net, its a f***ing fishing net and thats wrong!.......look after the most needy, those with disabilities etc and let everyone else who is fit and able look after themselves. Give the nation back its pride and freedom. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 The only way to increase social mobility realistically in the long term is to reintroduce grammer schools which ukip have said they would do also make important university courses like sciences and engineering free and make spakker courses like media self funded. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Have they said they will make a flat rate of tax ? Bloody interesting if they have, as I have never understood why higher earners pay a higher rate, they are already paying more simply by the fact they are earning more. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 they need to close all the tax loopholes & they would save tens of billions every year & should make everyone paye the interest alone would be billions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:10, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 13:58, pritch said: On 01/05/2013 at 11:44, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 07:09, pritch said: ukip is just the right wing of the tory party the only policy they've got besides having a vote on gettin out of the EU is big tax cuts for the rich (40% tax bracket) which will remain the same but it will incorporate their national insurance where as now they pay 40% plus the NI & the rest of us our tax will rise to 25% & incorporate NI though how they will fund this they haven't said given that they want to pay more to reduce the national debt they will have to make further swathing cuts just to reduce borrowing. it's one thing to sit in opposition shouting i'll do this & i'll do that totally different doing it when in power And with all these politicians talk of "fairness" what could be more fair than everyone pays the same with the lowest earners taken out of tax altogether? Your politics of hate and envy is one of the things thats wrong with this country!! who do i hate & who do i envy coz i pointed out they want to increase the gap between the rich & the poor by giving them a far bigger % tax cut why not give everyone the same percentage or just merge them leaving folk payng the same amount & take more low earners out of the tax system that would benefit those hit hardest in these hard times & how are they gonna fund all this along with greatly reducing the national debt as they say they are going to do.the only way is to make even more cut backs made a lot easier if you've just got another big fat tax break on a wage of £100000 minimum while giving those it will hit hardest a lot less.it all probably seems more than fare to you as you sound like your the one who's envious of the haves, just don't forget to curtsy next time you pass one in the street UKIP has stated they would introduce a flat rate of Tax for everyone and do away with NI (which is just a tax by another name).........it dont get much fairer than that!! Cutbacks is what we so badly need, cut backs in TAX and the things most of it is used to fund !!........you would have a lot less "have nots" if you stop taking all folks wages in tax and let them get out and earn a living!! When folks can support themselves then they wont need welfare or large parts of the NHS so its a self cutting thing with little or no effect......thats the theory! You stick with the good old "Tax/Spend/handout" socialist way of doing things if you want to, personally I think its killing my country and we could well do without it. Give me one good reason why a bloke who earns a million quid a year should pay a bean more in tax than you? Welfare at the moment isnt a safety net, its a f*****g fishing net and thats wrong!.......look after the most needy, those with disabilities etc and let everyone else who is fit and able look after themselves. Give the nation back its pride and freedom. i agree 100% mate, if you work the standard 38 hours you should earn enough to not require any benifits, if you choose to have kids then you should also choose how to take care of them when your at work. however where this falls down is greed. why should a solicitor be able to charge an ordinary working man £200 plus vat for an hours work, why should vets charge obsene ammounts for treatment? The answer is the culture we live in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:16, Paid said: Have they said they will make a flat rate of tax ? Bloody interesting if they have, as I have never understood why higher earners pay a higher rate, they are already paying more simply by the fact they are earning more. no there will be 2 rates 25% & 40% & the reason higher earners pay more is by the time their accountants have finished they would pay f**k all & we'd probably owe them money 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,965 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:17, pritch said: they need to close all the tax loopholes & they would save tens of billions every year & should make everyone paye the interest alone would be billions So what your saying is, the more a government steals from folk then better off we will be?.........mate, newsflash, its not f***ing working!!! Putting the power to redistribute working peoples money in the hands of government has robbed us of any power......thats why the system is in the shit state its in and why politicians get away with murders!! The soviet union with all its vast mineral wealth & assetts counld not make socialism work.......its a cancer that feeds off the society it dwells in Cut back the state, give people back their money and you will give them back their freedom and power to make changes. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:20, paulus said: On 01/05/2013 at 14:10, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 13:58, pritch said: On 01/05/2013 at 11:44, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 07:09, pritch said: ukip is just the right wing of the tory party the only policy they've got besides having a vote on gettin out of the EU is big tax cuts for the rich (40% tax bracket) which will remain the same but it will incorporate their national insurance where as now they pay 40% plus the NI & the rest of us our tax will rise to 25% & incorporate NI though how they will fund this they haven't said given that they want to pay more to reduce the national debt they will have to make further swathing cuts just to reduce borrowing. it's one thing to sit in opposition shouting i'll do this & i'll do that totally different doing it when in power And with all these politicians talk of "fairness" what could be more fair than everyone pays the same with the lowest earners taken out of tax altogether? Your politics of hate and envy is one of the things thats wrong with this country!! who do i hate & who do i envy coz i pointed out they want to increase the gap between the rich & the poor by giving them a far bigger % tax cut why not give everyone the same percentage or just merge them leaving folk payng the same amount & take more low earners out of the tax system that would benefit those hit hardest in these hard times & how are they gonna fund all this along with greatly reducing the national debt as they say they are going to do.the only way is to make even more cut backs made a lot easier if you've just got another big fat tax break on a wage of £100000 minimum while giving those it will hit hardest a lot less.it all probably seems more than fare to you as you sound like your the one who's envious of the haves, just don't forget to curtsy next time you pass one in the street UKIP has stated they would introduce a flat rate of Tax for everyone and do away with NI (which is just a tax by another name).........it dont get much fairer than that!! Cutbacks is what we so badly need, cut backs in TAX and the things most of it is used to fund !!........you would have a lot less "have nots" if you stop taking all folks wages in tax and let them get out and earn a living!! When folks can support themselves then they wont need welfare or large parts of the NHS so its a self cutting thing with little or no effect......thats the theory! You stick with the good old "Tax/Spend/handout" socialist way of doing things if you want to, personally I think its killing my country and we could well do without it. Give me one good reason why a bloke who earns a million quid a year should pay a bean more in tax than you? Welfare at the moment isnt a safety net, its a f*****g fishing net and thats wrong!.......look after the most needy, those with disabilities etc and let everyone else who is fit and able look after themselves. Give the nation back its pride and freedom. i agree 100% mate, if you work the standard 38 hours you should earn enough to not require any benifits, if you choose to have kids then you should also choose how to take care of them when your at work. however where this falls down is greed. why should a solicitor be able to charge an ordinary working man £200 plus vat for an hours work, why should vets charge obsene ammounts for treatment? The answer is the culture we live in. can't put a like up mate but how true, but them at the top aren't bothered if you can't afford to sue em Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) A. Countrys wealth is its YOUTH WE HAVE THROWN GENERATIONS ON THE SCRAP HEAP SPEND MONEY ON REAL TRAINING AND REAL DEGREES WE DONT NEED CHANCES FROM ALL OVER. FOR THE LIERS TO TELL US HOW GOOD THEY ARE HOW GRATFULL WE SHOULD BE FOR THEM TO DO JOBS ARE STUDENTS AND YOUNG PEOPLE USED TO DO. WHILE WORKING THEY WAY UP THE LADDER WERE IS BLAIRS LAD HARVAD UNI THE TRAITOR LABOUR MY FOOKING ARSE SOCIAL CLIMING TWAT KEN CLARK FAILED BARRISTOR MINISTER WITHOUT A CLUE FIRST CLASS TICKETS ON THE GRAVY TRAIN CALLING AT EVERY FOOKING BANK ON THE WAY. VOTE THEM OUT. Edited May 1, 2013 by gonetoearth 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 31% children born in britain to parents not born in uk which im guessing doesnt take into account children born to second and third generation immigrants we as a a people are fecked were walking to ethnocide and people will still vote labour? some people are just dumb. Immigration socialism and multiculturalism is killing us look what happened to portugal going from a wealthy nation of sailors and adventurers to race mixing and stagnating for the last 400 years. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:28, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 14:17, pritch said: they need to close all the tax loopholes & they would save tens of billions every year & should make everyone paye the interest alone would be billions So what your saying is, the more a government steals from folk then better off we will be?.........mate, newsflash, its not f*****g working!!! Putting the power to redistribute working peoples money in the hands of government has robbed us of any power......thats why the system is in the shit state its in and why politicians get away with murders!! The soviet union with all its vast mineral wealth & assetts counld not make socialism work.......its a cancer that feeds off the society it dwells in Cut back the state, give people back their money and you will give them back their freedom and power to make changes. wilf you really are a prick individuals & companies divert trillions every year which they pay no tax at all on vodaphone owed 4 billion on it's own starbucks had never paid any tax for years as it never made a profit in the uk so while some c**t is squirreling away billions away abroad the british tax payer is topping up their workers wages with family tax credit their's one near me takes off in a helicopter every night back every morning to & from the isle of man to avoid paying tax,well i don't give a f**k where his address is,if he earns his money here he should pay tax on it here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,828 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 On 01/05/2013 at 14:28, WILF said: On 01/05/2013 at 14:17, pritch said: they need to close all the tax loopholes & they would save tens of billions every year & should make everyone paye the interest alone would be billions So what your saying is, the more a government steals from folk then better off we will be?.........mate, newsflash, its not f*****g working!!! Putting the power to redistribute working peoples money in the hands of government has robbed us of any power......thats why the system is in the shit state its in and why politicians get away with murders!! The soviet union with all its vast mineral wealth & assetts counld not make socialism work.......its a cancer that feeds off the society it dwells in Cut back the state, give people back their money and you will give them back their freedom and power to make changes. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Picking up his phone. Who said.The bigger the lie the more it will be believed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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