B.P.R 2,798 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Im with you on the fox situation.... But i reckon a fox would have your blue beautys legs tied in knots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Start taking photos and publicising them lads and ladies. We had a young cheviot x lamb pecked open behind the shoulder, I stuck the pic up on a social media site. A picture tells a thousand words, and images often last a hell of a lot longer in peoples minds than stories of what happened. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaz 688 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Im with you on the fox situation.... But i reckon a fox would have your blue beautys legs tied in knots Mate, mines aren't blue and I would be reluctant to call them beautiful, as for tying their legs in knots, yes some foxes could bob and weave, I've seen foxes tie many a good lurcher in knots on occasions. I'm a bit confused here, when you consider a lot of lurchers used for fox are often bull bred and heavier built not unlike a weimaraner, then why would you think said weimaraner wasn't capable of retrieving them. A quick question to yourself and fat lab lad, how many weimaraners from working lines being used for the job they were bred for have you walked out with?. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Put some pictures up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaz 688 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) Put some pictures up. Put some pictures up. Put some pictures up. Put some pictures up of what exactly?. Might add you've also declined to answer the question regarding experience of weimaraners, to be fair though I think you answered it on your injured dog thread when you said weren't an out and out hunter, I'll take that as no experience. Edited April 26, 2013 by bigdaz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaz 688 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ Your first sentence, " straight lined a fox would leave your gundogs in the dust....fact" says the rest of your post is pish and you seen none or at best a couple of pets on a walk out pre ban. A high post tally don't make you an expert mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sniffer 167 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 I cant understand why you lad's are busting his ball's i recon a weimaraner could take the odd fox no prob's he is not claiming to have a feckin bullcross.. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the legalities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the legalities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Reading your posts it's fair to say you consider yourself to be knowledgable where gundogs (or is it just labs) are concerned. A weimaraner is hardly a coursing machine, but, let me get this right, are you in your all seeing wisdom telling me a weimaraner isn't capable or fast enough to catch a fox?. How bloody fast do you think a fox can run?. Stick to what you know mate, and take it from me having owned weimaraners for nigh on twenty years I can tell you from experience they could and did take fox pre ban and now retrieve them no problem. Tell you what though - a fox can run a hell of a lot faster than most folk give him credit for...lugs doon and streaked flat, jinkin' ad jivin' and duckin' and divin' turning on himself in the blink of an eye,up-doon-and-roond-and-roond...he's quick make no mistake... Heard lots of folk (who obviously never hunted many foxes) say that old Charlie boy wasn't very quick and dismissed him as a second rate athlete...well, that was never my experience...ever.... but (for the sake of not wanting to cause an arguement) I'm wiling to concede that my dogs may always have been slow feckers but we did do okay... :yes: With me never having been a 'gundog man' (it's the gun part I was never that keen on) I actually had to Google Weimaraner Well, I'da loved to have seen that...because although I viewed some stunning beasts during my little search...I'm not sure they'da been near quick enough around my hilly, rocky, bracken and whin clad part of the world... but that's just my take on things... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr scent 665 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the leg9alities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the legalities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Reading your posts it's fair to say you consider yourself to be knowledgable where gundogs (or is it just labs) are concerned.A weimaraner is hardly a coursing machine, but, let me get this right, are you in your all seeing wisdom telling me a weimaraner isn't capable or fast enough to catch a fox?. How bloody fast do you think a fox can run?. Stick to what you know mate, and take it from me having owned weimaraners for nigh on twenty years I can tell you from experience they could and did take fox pre ban and now retrieve them no problem. Tell you what though - a fox can run a hell of a lot faster than most folk give him credit for...lugs doon and streaked flat, jinkin' ad jivin' and duckin' and divin' turning on himself in the blink of an eye,up-doon-and-roond-and-roond...he's quick make no mistake... Heard lots of folk (who obviously never hunted many foxes) say that old Charlie boy wasn't very quick and dismissed him as a second rate athlete...well, that was never my experience...ever.... but (for the sake of not wanting to cause an arguement) I'm wiling to concede that my dogs may always have been slow feckers but we did do okay... :yes: With me never having been a 'gundog man' (it's the gun part I've never been that keen on) I actually had to Google Weimaraner Well, I'da loved to have seen that...because although I viewed some stunning beasts during my little search...I'm not sure they'da been near quick enough around my hilly, rocky, bracken and whin clad part of the world... but that's just my take on things... totally agree good post 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pip1968 2,490 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 bigdaz puts a thread up about a lamb and ewe trapped in a ditch and the lamb being eaten alive,and it turns into a debate on whether his weimaraners would catch a fox Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ Your first sentence, " straight lined a fox would leave your gundogs in the dust....fact" says the rest of your post is pish and you seen none or at best a couple of pets on a walk out pre ban. A high post tally don't make you an expert mate. bull mate if they could straight out run and take foxes .............they would be used for lamping.......... not doubting your dogs dont bump,into them and kill them ..........but most foxes would out run them ..........my guess is that you have taken a few and you have got a little excited trying to make out they would take fox out in the open ground......no chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaz 688 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the legalities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Last half hour of light I walked the fields around my house, the area is called waterlands and its well named its a mixture of ponds, marshes and ditches, it rarely drys completely and certainly isn't now. Anyway, I was going to take my young goldie pup and my two weimaraners, but decided a bit of one on one with the pup was a better option. Walked around the big pond and was heading home and there's a broad ditch to cross which is a mud hole, gets up to it and out pops Mr Fox, looks down and here's a blackie ewe and lamb stuck fast. Clambers down, the bstard has been eating the back end of the lamb and the wee sods not quite dead, it obviously couldn't pull it out and was chewing its arse while the ewe lay beside it. Chapped the lamb, pulled the ewe out with great difficulty, and threw the lamb up beside it so that the ewe didn't go back in for it. Fcuk the legalities of a killing foxes with dogs, I'll say this and I don't give a feck who's reading this, if I'd taken my weimaraners I'd have had no hesitation in letting them knack the git, legal or not. They'd have to catch it first.... No problem there mate, it's not fat labs we're talking about. ....Stick a pic up of these coursing machines....ive never seen a skinny one.. Reading your posts it's fair to say you consider yourself to be knowledgable where gundogs (or is it just labs) are concerned. A weimaraner is hardly a coursing machine, but, let me get this right, are you in your all seeing wisdom telling me a weimaraner isn't capable or fast enough to catch a fox?. How bloody fast do you think a fox can run?. Stick to what you know mate, and take it from me having owned weimaraners for nigh on twenty years I can tell you from experience they could and did take fox pre ban and now retrieve them no problem. Tell you what though - a fox can run a hell of a lot faster than most folk give him credit for...lugs doon and streaked flat, jinkin' ad jivin' and duckin' and divin' turning on himself in the blink of an eye,up-doon-and-roond-and-roond...he's quick make no mistake... Heard lots of folk (who obviously never hunted many foxes) say that old Charlie boy wasn't very quick and dismissed him as a second rate athlete...well, that was never my experience...ever.... but (for the sake of not wanting to cause an arguement) I'm wiling to concede that my dogs may always have been slow feckers but we did do okay... :yes: With me never having been a 'gundog man' (it's the gun part I've never been that keen on) I actually had to Google Weimaraner Well, I'da loved to have seen that...because although I viewed some stunning beasts during my little search...I'm not sure they'da been near quick enough around my hilly, rocky, bracken and whin clad part of the world... but that's just my take on things... A casual statement on a fox predation thread, at no time have I said these dogs were out and out fox dogs, they can and do retrieve fox, out come the THL experts none of which I'm pretty sure have owned one, the majority probably haven't walked out with one and some of them probably haven't even fecking patted one, but their knowledge of them and their capabilities is astounding. Are foxes slow?, don't recall saying so but to say a dog of weimaraner build isn't capable of catching one is just tosh. I'm actually a tad surprised that people are disputing the dogs capabilities because of its speed and not actually the mindset required to tackle a fox (preban of course) because in that capacity I couldn't really argue as nowadays the majority of dogs,are a watered down version of the originals and most wouldn't have the aptitude required, certainly nothing to do with the lack of speed. A quick point to Scothunter, my oldest weimaraner is ten years old mate and he's been worked over ground you wouldn't run a lurcher, don't look at pretty pictures on the net mate and base an opinion on them. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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bigdaz 688 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ Your first sentence, " straight lined a fox would leave your gundogs in the dust....fact" says the rest of your post is pish and you seen none or at best a couple of pets on a walk out pre ban. A high post tally don't make you an expert mate. bull mate if they could straight out run and take foxes .............they would be used for lamping.......... not doubting your dogs dont bump,into them ..........but most foxes would out run them ..........my guess is that you have taken a few and you have got a little excited trying to make out they would take fox out in the open ground......no chance straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ straight lined a fox would leave your gun dogs in the dust ............fact ..... pre ban ,..dont get me wrong i believe you have taken a few with these dogs ......all foxes are different some are caught with ease ........and some take some catching and make good dogs look bad........but dont make out these dogs are something there not..........im by far no expert but feel i seen enough pre ban to have an opionion........ Your first sentence, " straight lined a fox would leave your gundogs in the dust....fact" says the rest of your post is pish and you seen none or at best a couple of pets on a walk out pre ban. A high post tally don't make you an expert mate. bull mate if they could straight out run and take foxes .............they would be used for lamping.......... not doubting your dogs dont bump,into them ..........but most foxes would out run them ..........my guess is that you have taken a few and you have got a little excited trying to make out they would take fox out in the open ground......no chance No they wouldn't, because there's dogs a damn sight better suited to the job. My dogs do bump into them, catch some, miss some like all dogs. Your guess, well guess what wrong, I've taken more than a few. A little excited?, who the feck do you think you're talking to?, some snotty kid ten miutes in the game?. Trying to make out they take them in open ground?, try and keep up, they do. Now I've owned them twenty years, talk me through your experiences with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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