Substituting Saluki Blood For Greyhound Blood.

[Bosun11 537]

 

Good post baw,You even mentioned twitch muscles you will be writing for the countrymans next.

Im no expert i just do a bit..somtimes.

Greys dont only bring speed in my opion,they are easy to live with, plenty would take fox back in the day,Straight forward.

I dont want to be a dog cycoligist,I want a dog that i can take anywhere,and do what i want it to do.

Horses for courses why do i need half saluki to sprint a 100 yards after a rabbit?Plenty of lurcherxlurchers with saluki in the mix somewhere and decent dogs,but you wouldnt convince me to buy say a colliexsaluki over a greyxcollie.

In my opion it would be a big mistake for the lurcher world to turn its back on the grey,Im really surprised that no one has set about breeding (improving)greyhounds suitable for field work.

Though I agree with you wholeheartedly Weasle... Why no one has improved the field greyhound.... It's only the fact that folk think there is no money in it..!!

[Hot Meat 3,109]

A dash of saluki is a fine addition to most types. But nobody can deny real fast up an at them type gets the old ticker going like nothing barring a threesome way two porn stars haha and you won't get many fast andcup at them types without grey blood

[Calli 93]

Definition of a pure sal?

 

 

I guess it varies from country to country......

[tinytiger 830]

 

 

The greyhound was originally used for field work then it was adapted over generations for the track. The old lines of irish coursing greyhounds were big powerful dogs and could do the job well but then the experimentors took over to introduce more pace as some one said the other day look at that coursing greyhound Master Mcgrath from the 1850,s must have had all the qualities of a field hound

Yes mate agrea,What happened with all the greys that where coarsing before the ban,have they all been allowed to die out?

On another note some one said you shouldnt be breeding a dog that isnt perfect or along those lines,Maybe you can get a perfect one trick pony?but for your average lurcher lad that wants to do a bit of this, bit of that theres always going to be somthing that isnt perfect couarage,feet stamina,strength,brains the list is endless.I doubt even lads that claim to have had a "dog of a life time" would be able to say it was perfect.

 

From what i can see the english coursing lines have died out-i think there might have been a litter with a little bit of waterloo cup type breeding bred in the states last year.Irish coursing lines are still around but they tend to be 85lb plus as its nearly all park coursing-basically a sprint to the first turn.There was some fairly long courses back in the early history of the waterloo cup .e.g swinging light put in over 3 and 4 minutes in rounds of his campaign.

[weasle 1,119]

Yes money is most lads incentive or fame,Neither are probally good for improving somthing.

Real shame if the english coursing blood has all gone But would still rather take my chance with adding stronger blood to a racer grey than going for a saluki.

Tiny there was a little american bitch(think it was american) ran one year and lurcher lads that saw her were impressed.

[Country Joe 1,411]

years ago when collie x greyhounds were popular in my neck of the woods, saw come good first and 3/4 crosses, all were bred from track greyhounds, They would be easier to get a hold of, than good Coursing lines.

It wouldn't bother me if track blood was used, as long as the Greyhound had good feet.

or if it was a sprinter, rather than a stayer.

as breeding two stayers can produce sprinters and vice versa.

[killing crew 2,708]

 

 

 

Baw,I won't quote that long post as it'll fill the page but you hit the nail on the head..brilliant post.....now who wrote it because it wasn't bollox for a change lol

cheers pal, only took me 4 minutes too

Baw have you employed a script writer, thats one of the best and sensible posts ive seen on here.

I don't know about a script writer, but I need a scaffolder to hold my head up after reading your post only wrote it to prove KC wrong and to be fair, I prefer talking shit cheers pal

theres a method in your madness

[birddog 1,354]

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

[birddog 1,354]

 

 

 

baw, you say a hare outruns a running dog that has stamina but lacking speed a little and is well gone...........what about a beagle or harrier ? hardly a running dog they get outrun initially but nose and stamina takeover and the hare has no chance, ive seen them run to a bloody nosed standstill by a spaniel

Would you class that as coursing?

so when does coursing become hunting? if we do it for the sport.....fastest to fastest would give the most spectacular maybe not the most successful but if we do it for the kill why not cross a greyhound with a beagle to get nose and stamina?

Coursing is the use of a SIGHT hound or similar lurcher to catch a hare. It's all about chasing the quarry in close proximity of you so you can see what's happening. To follow a beagle on a trail of a hare you'd need some kind of transport like a horse to keep up. It's a whole different form of hunting. We like dogs that can hunt up a hare within say 100 meters not 1/2 mile away then take to the next county to catch it. Not everyone has the luxury of having mile upon mile of permission. As for crossing the beagle, yes it will add good nose and stamina but these aren't always desireable in such large amounts. One of the worst traits to a lurcherman is a dog hunting up on its own accord. I feel this is what would happen. I also think the dog would be too heavy for serious coursing and with a lot of stamina, the pay off is drop in speed. The dog would probably be too slow. I don't know cos I've never seen one but because of the reasons I've said, I'll never risk owning one.

 

you've contradicted yourself bud, 1st sentence 'catch' 2nd sentence 'all about chasing' it can't be both.......one of the best traits in a lurcher (as opposed to a more chaser of game longdog) for me is the ability to hunt up, this with a little effort, training and restraint can be used to a hunters advantage ie working cover or nets, i only used the extreme example of beagle / fellhound to exemplify the point that its horses for courses, my collie cross that admittedly for traditional coursing lacks a top gear does more for me than a dog bred for centuries to course game on vast plains and deserts however fast or stamina packed they may be.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

 

Although I wouldnt personally breed to a track greyhound ever I totally agree with you.

[birddog 1,354]

 

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

 

Although I wouldnt personally breed to a track greyhound ever I totally agree with you.

 

thanks, so much emphasis is put on a coursing greyhounds speed ie the run up which to me only proves one thing which is fastest in a straight line of maybe 2 or 300yds would allowing the hare more law not also test stamina, agility, durability etc?

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

 

 

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

 

Although I wouldnt personally breed to a track greyhound ever I totally agree with you.

 

thanks, so much emphasis is put on a coursing greyhounds speed ie the run up which to me only proves one thing which is fastest in a straight line of maybe 2 or 300yds would allowing the hare more law not also test stamina, agility, durability etc?

 

 

Ya and if I absolutely had to use a track dog it would have to be a 9/16ths type and not one of them 1/4 milers.

[birddog 1,354]

 

 

 

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

 

Although I wouldnt personally breed to a track greyhound ever I totally agree with you.

 

thanks, so much emphasis is put on a coursing greyhounds speed ie the run up which to me only proves one thing which is fastest in a straight line of maybe 2 or 300yds would allowing the hare more law not also test stamina, agility, durability etc?

 

 

Ya and if I absolutely had to use a track dog it would have to be a 9/16ths type and not one of them 1/4 milers.

 

i understand and kinda agree that the stamina thing is important but is that not one of the reasons we cross other breeds into the greyhound (so we get the best of both worlds the speed of the greyhound and the stamina of saluki/ collie/ deerhound or whatever) also in my experience you can train / condition stamina into a dog easier than speed

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

 

 

 

 

for me a track greyhound is the better option, how many of them are successful because on top of their physical attributes they use their brains, looking for a gap staying out of trouble etc but a coursing dog that works out how to use its brain and starts to cut corners, hangs back a little etc is not going to clock up the points to win and is got rid of. conformation and temperament are far more important with an emphasis on good feet and strong wrists backed up by a bold but calm attitude

 

Although I wouldnt personally breed to a track greyhound ever I totally agree with you.

 

thanks, so much emphasis is put on a coursing greyhounds speed ie the run up which to me only proves one thing which is fastest in a straight line of maybe 2 or 300yds would allowing the hare more law not also test stamina, agility, durability etc?

 

 

Ya and if I absolutely had to use a track dog it would have to be a 9/16ths type and not one of them 1/4 milers.

 

i understand and kinda agree that the stamina thing is important but is that not one of the reasons we cross other breeds into the greyhound (so we get the best of both worlds the speed of the greyhound and the stamina of saluki/ collie/ deerhound or whatever) also in my experience you can train / condition stamina into a dog easier than speed

 

 

That dont matter dogs, horses or human. Give me a fast one and I will put it in shape. You cant go the other way. It dont work. I can cite you loads of examples just from track athletes alone.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

But that beind said pure greyhound blood is such an awful poor choice that I would have to try to go with the longer dogs. I just think its the worse decision ever to make good dogs.