Substituting Saluki Blood For Greyhound Blood.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

If I had a bitch that lacked speed would I breed it to a greyhound?...... No!

If I had a bitch that lacked stamina would I breed it to a saluki?...... No!

 

If I had a bitch that lacked any one of the required traits for the job in hand I wouldn't breed from it at all......I'd buy a pup from two parents that DID possess the desired traits and hope that it had inherited these very qualities. I.M.H.O.

[salukixgrey 779]

my dog doesnt lack speed but hes saluki saturated, i want to put him to a greyhound or whippet greyhound for field running and i like the idea of this cross, but if i was on big land twice a week id probally put him to the best pure i could find as it seems to have results. its horses for courses i think.

[baw 4,360]

If I had a bitch that lacked speed would I breed it to a greyhound?...... No!

If I had a bitch that lacked stamina would I breed it to a saluki?...... No!

 

If I had a bitch that lacked any one of the required traits for the job in hand I wouldn't breed from it at all......I'd buy a pup from two parents that DID possess the desired traits and hope that it had inherited these very qualities. I.M.H.O.

I agree with what your saying mate but to be fair, to get the parents with the desired assets, someone at some point had to add what was needed at the time to the mix to get the desired result.

[baw 4,360]

 

The greyhound is one of the fastest animals on the planet. This is why people use them for dog racing. People are fascinated with speed, whether that's greyhounds, horses, cheetahs or Usain Bolt. Speed is THE main asset when chasing anything that runs. Yes stamina is good also but only if there are no hiding places. If Usain Bolt robbed your house in London, wouldn't matter if you could run the London marathon, he'd be long gone while you were trying to work out which way he went. Same applies to anything getting chased, its trying to run to safety, its life depends on it. The hare has a mixture of good speed and good stamina. It doesn't exel in either but what it is very good at is jinking, twisting without losing much speed. For this reason the hare will only run as fast as its getting chased, relying on its ability to twist and out run its foe. In doing this it saves energy, stamina over its counterpart. A fast dog will get suckered in by this and will bend wide due to inertia making it run a further distance and then using more energy to accelerate to get back on terms. The process is repeated until finaly, the hare either makes a mistake getting cocky or the dog runs out of steam. This is more evident on large land like the fens where the saluki is more favourable. On small land where escape is more accessible a dog needs to be close to the hare, this plays into the hares hand as described above. But on the fens, the dog doesn't need to be so close to the hare, he can sit back and wait for the hare to bend giving him more time to react without losing pace or distance on his opponent. This gives that plodder look to the chase but the dogs just using his loaf. Its a lot easier to chase something than be chased. To do this type of chasing you have to have more stamina than your opponent so you can take advantage when he tires. But even the fen guys don't run as many pure salukis as hybrids; the fens has hiding places eventually and even the mighty saluki has only so much stamina, the hare only needs its stamina once, the saluki needs it for 3,4,5 etc chases. This is where the mix of stamina and speed is needed. The ideal dog is one that has plenty of stamina but also the gears to use to get onto its prey, have speed to keep the hare away from sanctuary when needed and that burst of speed when the opportunity arises to catch it. it should think like a hare, reserve its speed for when its needed but it needs that speed to be there, this is why the fastest dog in the world is added to its make up. To take that speed away from the mix by breeding to saluki rather than greyhound, you'd create dogs that would only be good for a tenth of the ground in the uk. If you think salukis are fast, stick the fastest saluki in a race against the slowest greyhounds and I bet it comes last. Yes it will win if the race is ten laps of the track but on most land, the hares died of old age by then.

[baw 4,360]

should be a good topic until baw comes on in the morning lol

Cheeky bugger

[FUJI 17,315]

Baw,I won't quote that long post as it'll fill the page but you hit the nail on the head..brilliant post.....now who wrote it because it wasn't bollox for a change lol

[paulus 26]

ive seen good dogs get straight lined when old puss drops his ears on a line. dogs that have made it look easy on most other occasions, real up and at them type dogs aswell. ive seen hares do 3 fields in overdrive sticking to one line that leads to sanctuary not turning once. on another day this same hare will act totally different all this breed the best to the best breed to improve, not to remain the same or even go backwards

[haymin 2,465]

That's was a good read that kin yir stuff )

[baw 4,360]

Baw,I won't quote that long post as it'll fill the page but you hit the nail on the head..brilliant post.....now who wrote it because it wasn't bollox for a change lol

cheers pal, only took me 4 minutes too

[baw 4,360]

ive seen good dogs get straight lined when old puss drops his ears on a line. dogs that have made it look easy on most other occasions, real up and at them type dogs aswell. ive seen hares do 3 fields in overdrive sticking to one line that leads to sanctuary not turning once. on another day this same hare will act totally different all this breed the best to the best breed to improve, not to remain the same or even go backwards

Well said mate. Hares learn just like anything else from experience. Keep this to yourself but I've had my dog straight lined on a white hare on burnt hare. This dogs a flying machine too.

[paulus 26]

 

ive seen good dogs get straight lined when old puss drops his ears on a line. dogs that have made it look easy on most other occasions, real up and at them type dogs aswell. ive seen hares do 3 fields in overdrive sticking to one line that leads to sanctuary not turning once. on another day this same hare will act totally different all this breed the best to the best breed to improve, not to remain the same or even go backwards

Well said mate. Hares learn just like anything else from experience. Keep this to yourself but I've had my dog straight lined on a white hare on burnt hare. This dogs a flying machine too.

i won`t tell anyone

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

ive seen good dogs get straight lined when old puss drops his ears on a line. dogs that have made it look easy on most other occasions, real up and at them type dogs aswell. ive seen hares do 3 fields in overdrive sticking to one line that leads to sanctuary not turning once. on another day this same hare will act totally different all this breed the best to the best breed to improve, not to remain the same or even go backwards

Well said mate. Hares learn just like anything else from experience. Keep this to yourself but I've had my dog straight lined on a white hare on burnt hare. This dogs a flying machine too.

i won`t tell anyone

Cheers mate, that's why I pm'd it instead of writing it on the boards :

[Bosun11 537]

Good post Baw... Though I think both Bolio an Dan have nailed it, why use a pure blood saluki (or greyhound) because good coursing blood combines the best of both...

[baw 4,360]

Good post Baw... Though I think both Bolio an Dan have nailed it, why use a pure blood saluki (or greyhound) because good coursing blood combines the best of both...

I'd personally use the best lurcher to lurcher too but I was more referring to the saluki taking over from the greyhound altogether as the main dog to breed from thus wiping out the greyhound usage altogether. But as you say, if bulldozer was a bitch and Lucas a dog, the pups would be better than breeding either to a greyhound or saluki IMO.

[paulus 26]

 

Good post Baw... Though I think both Bolio an Dan have nailed it, why use a pure blood saluki (or greyhound) because good coursing blood combines the best of both...

I'd personally use the best lurcher to lurcher too but I was more referring to the saluki taking over from the greyhound altogether as the main dog to breed from thus wiping out the greyhound usage altogether. But as you say, if bulldozer was a bitch and Lucas a dog, the pups would be better than breeding either to a greyhound or saluki IMO.

This is where i disagree mate. its a fact lucus produces better when put to heavily saluki saturated bitch, so just for arguments sake ,say bulldozer was a collie/grey saturated bitch with only a touch of saluki. then would the pups be the best possible. or would a litter from an average saluki saturated bitch have be better