Question On Animal Rescues

[Kay 3,709]

I have had 6 dogs in my adult life , 4 bitches & 2 dogs .. 3 the bitches I had sprayed after there first season. , all 3 that where spayed as pups less than 12 months old all went on to display mating/ dominance type behaviors

 

My present bitch was approx 3 when she was spayed & hasn't shown the same behaviors in the 5 years i have had her , she is 8 on Sunday

 

The dogs I have had , 1 was castrated at approx 18 months old & he didn't show any of the behaviors either , the dog I have now will be 9 in July & is still entire , he has never been a handful of a dog & I wouldn't castrate him now unless it was a life & death scenario

 

I kind of put the behavior issues I had with the 3 bitches down to the fact they were maybe spayed a little to soon

[The one 8,479]

After a dogs had its knackers off and after a set amount of time to allow the body to settle down there calmer and just get on with live no looking to hump bitches or fight and the only bad thing is you might have to watch there weight as said

[Huan72 687]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vasectomy doesn't always stop the dog from looking for bitches in season.

Vasectomy still leaves the dog at risk of testicular cancer later in life, now pet dogs are living far far longer than nature initially intended.

 

On the balance of things, castrated dogs are generally easier to cope with ( from a female hunting point of view ) and the operation involved is barely any different if you castrate, than if you do a vasectomy - and I have done lots of both in dogs.

 

yeah i've read these excuses,they don't wash with me.

 

if you can't stop a dog mounting random bitches,running off or pissing in the house you shouldn't have a dog at all,and that sort of person certainly imo couldn't be trusted to then look after and nurture a dog which has just had such a massive change made to their hormone levels.

 

as for the cancer argument,it's just silly imo.

 

you can get cancer in your eye,why not get one eye removed?

half the chances.

Each time a cell divides, there is a risk of mutation causing cancer. If the cells don't divide much, the risk is lower. Thats why skin cancer, lung cancer, gut cancer, breast cancer etc are high - the cells divide very fast. Ditto testicles. It's just maths, nothing more. Eyes don't have the same cell turn over, nor do hair follicles, or muscle tissue etc.

 

I agree about behaviour - but I am sure you understand that a lot of people who own dogs have no idea about behaviour, and that is where the problems start.

 

maybe it was a daft comparison,but the argument of neutering dogs to stop them getting cancer is just ridiculous imo,potentially lowering their quality of life so they can live longer.

 

and my point for clueless dog owners,better a dog that runs away and mounts any bitch in sight or a nervous unstable one?

It isn't to stop them getting cancer, or to make them live longer - it is to stop unwanted puppies - the fact that they no longer have the risk of testicular cancer is a positive side effect - same as speying a bitch means they won't get a pyometra. Neither op makes them live longer, but the plus side outweighs the minus.

 

There is absolutely no evidence that castration or speying makes a dog nervous or unstable - that is totally down to handling - nothing to do with hormones.

 

hormones don't effect your mental state?

try telling my bird that next time she's on the blob,or the idiot who's decided to take steroids without a clue what they're doing.

 

well having seen it happen first hand many times i don't need anyone to show me evidence.

 

It doesn't matter that much to me,I'd never own a sterilised dog or a 'rescue' dog,and i'd shut down all rescues and destroy all strays after a week of not being claimed.

 

i just don't like to see dogs go through unnecessary stress/suffering.

If you are so experienced, then congratulations

 

If you will never own a neutered dog, then good luck avoiding cancer and pyometra.

 

If you really think this will help stop unnecessary stress and suffering, then you are deluded.

Not all that experienced at all but worked in a couple of big boarding kennels for about 8 years,and seen a clear correlation.

 

if my dogs get cancer they'll be put to sleep.

 

if i'm right in what i've seen (i could be wrong) it would mean less suffering,getting rid of rescues and just destroying all stray animals would do a lot more to stop suffering though.

In most parts of the country, the dogs in rescues are more likely to be unwanted than strays. In larger built up cities, the local rescues may well have a high proportion of strays but will still have many unwanted dogs. Most of the dogs in rescue or rehoming kennels are there because of the ignorance, lack of dedication, or change of circumstances of the previous owner, in fact one of the main reasons for dogs ending up in rescues is "relationship breakdowns", were the previous owners have split up and neither can take the dog. Is it right to destroy a dog, because its previous owners have decided they dont want it, when it can find a loving, caring and devoted new owner..........I personally dont think so. Not everyone in rescues is anti hunting and the vast majority do a great job, there is no greater sense of achievement than bringing a litter through without loosing a single pup and then seeing each go to a great home........should the pups have been destroyed........again, I personally dont think so. No dog should be in a rescue I agree, they shouldnt be needed, but as long as people are breeding for no particular reason, do not take the time to learn about dogs and are putting no effort in, they are needed. Basiclly I dont see why a dog that can have a great home should be detroyed because of the people that gave up on him

[Huan72 687]

The neutering issue is an interesting one, it obviously stops unwanted breeding in dogs and bitches but neutering has can have opposite effects on dominance levels. In theory a dog becomes less dominant and a bitch more dominant but there is a difference between dominance and bad behaviour. I can see no logical argument against castrating a dog if it is not gonna be bred, it wont effect its hunting ability, eliminates a type of cancer and depending on the age when castration occurs can help with behavioural issues but remember that learnt behaviour is just that, learnt and castration will not make the dog unlearn it. I can see the argument against spaying bitches but in my opinion, in the vast majority of cases, the benefits of spaying outweigh the negatives. If a dog is going to be bred for hunting or any other reason, then of course they are not neutered but rescues are trying to reduce the unwanted dog population, thats what its all about.....

[stewie 3,387]

this dog was in some kennels nr me few years back..............

 

 

 

been rehomed and back there 3 times that i no off as it kept running off chasing stuff!!! imo a dog taken from a hunter and rehomed never to hunt again is better of being put to sleep.....just as shame the know it alls at certain charitys no better...........

[chook1 184]

But not all rescues are like that, mine have come from rescue and I know the rescue will do everything they can to place their dogs in to the right homes, if the dog needs a working home they will work to find that home, first and formost its what the dog needs, the bigger rescues I agree need to change as they don't care and put blanket bans in place on what they think a dog needs without actually taking the individual dog in to accounnt.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

they should all be done under the animal welfare act for butchering heathy animals most are just a bunch of bunny huggin twat s go and ask them if you can adopt a dog for earthwork see what they say or a bullcross for pulling deer

not all rescues are so narrow minded.

[hutch6 550]

 

 

 

 

Why don't rescues and vets vasectomies dogs?

 

Actually cutting their balls off is a bigger operation and sometimes leads to physical and psychological problems.

 

or do they?

 

I don't quite understand you here.

 

Most rescues DO neuter their animals to prevent people from adopting and breeding from them which results in more dogs in rescue and further complications through complicated birtsh which causes further stress to the dog which isn't needed. Rescues are full to bursting with dogs and many are sadly having to turn dogs away because they simply do not have the room for them.

 

Neutering a dog has NEVER produced a bad dog. It has not led to any behaviour that wasn't there to begin with. Some folks use it as an excuse to calm the dog down etc but I'd be interested to hear your evidence around psychological issues? There are physical issues of course as it is an intrusive operation but nothing major and the dog does not sit up all night fretting over it months down the line. I have all of my dogs neutered so no mistake on my part or the dog's part can lead to unwanted pups and it helps reduce the risk of various health issues later on in life.

 

I've worked at large boarding kennels and seen dogs i've known for years,that have lived in good homes get neutered and become slightly nervous and anxious which has just spiraled out of control because it hasn't been picked up on.

 

not just once or twice,either.

 

that's not baring in mind the physical problems it brings.

 

testosterone is a hormone and has a very powerful effect on the mind and body,vasectomies stop the dog (or human) being able to breed but don't massively reduce this hormone causing all these problems.

 

So these were full of life, not phased by anything and very confident dogs?

 

I've worked with loads of neutured dogs and only ones that were nervous to begin were nervous afterwards but with a bit of training they were right as rain in any situation.

 

What physical problems are your referring to?

 

yes good healthy dogs,that had decent homes.

 

I won't go into detail,but 1 that sticks out in my mind went from nice a stable dog at 7 years to killing the dog it was brought up with biting its owner and getting put down within about 2 months of being done.

 

but most just became slightly less confident and nervous,where before they'd walk past an aggressive barking dog in it's kennel not giving it a second glance,now they'd look terrified and would try to run away,some would then become aggressive back which led to yet more problems.

 

there was a much better article ,but i can't find it

http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/1/5/3/1/15319800/spay_neuter_considerations_2013.pdf

 

no doubt a good owner would get around these problems easy enough.

 

 

So dogs that are neutured are 1.5 times more likley to develop hip dysplasia? Is this article for real?

 

May I suggest you bin the article that is entitled : "One Veterinarian's Opinion".

 

Nothing in the article relates to what evrionment these dogs were, any changes in that environemt except the loss of tackle and what cpontrol emasures were put in place.

 

You'd be better off reading this:

 

http://www.associationofanimalbehaviorprofessionals.com/effects_of_neutering.html

 

The dog that turned and bit the owner after killing it's mate, what was the situation prior to the dpog attacking? What was the history of its behaviour around the owner, the other dog and the home environment? None of that is taken intio consideration - it had its nadgers lopped off, it killed and bit, must have been angry at its bollocks being taken away. What a crock of shit. It's either a neurological issue or there were signs going way back that this was going to happen at some point but were not picked up on. Akita over the road from me developed a brain tumour and bit the handler. They found the tumour after she wanted to know what was responsible for the sudden change in the dog.

 

You worked in a large kennel environment, not the ideal assessment environment for behaviour changes. Some people don't do weel in choatic enviroments with noise, shouting, aggressive behaviour and general mayhem, dogs are no different. My dog (had from puppy, neutured at 14month) can handle one or two cars in quick succession but put a constant stream of cars near him and he shuts down before a he becomes used to it. Usually takes a minute or two and he's off and happy again. My rescue (neutured at 6month) can handle anything you throw at him apart from one strange guy that hangs around the house sometimes (no, it's not me).

[toby1066 413]

theres good rescues like lurcher link that rehomes to working homes so you cant tar all with the same brush

[paulus 26]

is it just me, but ive never felt the need to put any of my dogs or bitches under the knife, for any other reason other than a medical emergency, when my bitch is in season the dogs whinge/piss abit more but nothing that would upset the neibours, but the dont fight or display any of the other symptoms mentioned on this thread even though there kenneled together. infact i can even have the bitch out with the two dogs, as long as im there nothing will happen.

[LaraCroft 863]

is it just me, but ive never felt the need to put any of my dogs or bitches under the knife, for any other reason other than a medical emergency, when my bitch is in season the dogs whinge/piss abit more but nothing that would upset the neibours, but the dont fight or display any of the other symptoms mentioned on this thread even though there kenneled together. infact i can even have the bitch out with the two dogs, as long as im there nothing will happen.

No, it isn't just you. But is your situation more to do with behaviour and training ? If one of your dogs is off lead, and sees another small yappy dog in the distance, does your dog run over and start ragging it ?

[paulus 26]

 

is it just me, but ive never felt the need to put any of my dogs or bitches under the knife, for any other reason other than a medical emergency, when my bitch is in season the dogs whinge/piss abit more but nothing that would upset the neibours, but the dont fight or display any of the other symptoms mentioned on this thread even though there kenneled together. infact i can even have the bitch out with the two dogs, as long as im there nothing will happen.

No, it isn't just you. But is your situation more to do with behaviour and training ? If one of your dogs is off lead, and sees another small yappy dog in the distance, does your dog run over and start ragging it ?

what do you think :laugh:

[LaraCroft 863]

 

 

is it just me, but ive never felt the need to put any of my dogs or bitches under the knife, for any other reason other than a medical emergency, when my bitch is in season the dogs whinge/piss abit more but nothing that would upset the neibours, but the dont fight or display any of the other symptoms mentioned on this thread even though there kenneled together. infact i can even have the bitch out with the two dogs, as long as im there nothing will happen.

No, it isn't just you. But is your situation more to do with behaviour and training ? If one of your dogs is off lead, and sees another small yappy dog in the distance, does your dog run over and start ragging it ?

what do you think :laugh:

precisely !