22 Hornet Vs .223

[jam1e 12]

I have a 22 Hornet and a 223 on my ticket but only actually own a Hornet at the moment. The Hornet serves the purpose very well and I've had no need yet to get a 223. I think I would need someone to mentor me with using the 223 as I've not had much experience of shooting one. I'd need to get my head around the extra distance and power on offer from the 223. The Hornet is on a open ticket as opposed to a closed for the 223, so I can get to use it on smaller land permissions where certain vermin need controlling. Cracking round

 

Whats the noise level like with the Hornet, (Presuming its moderated)?? My .204 is a right ear basher. Even with a good mod!

Do you reload? If so do you crimp the rounds?

[danw 1,748]

 

 

No, the reason being,the .223 is deer legal,the hornet is not,(small deer obviously)

In Scotland for Roe but then only provided bullet exceeds 50 grains + 1,000 ft/lbs energy + 2,450ft per second..

 

In England and Wales min calibre is .240 with 1,700 ft/lbs energy.

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/54/schedule/2

 

Worth pointing out as you don't want to get caught out.

As charlie caller said small deer both muntjac or cwd are perfectly legal for .223 in England but not the hornet

[cragman 2,763]

 

I have a 22 Hornet and a 223 on my ticket but only actually own a Hornet at the moment. The Hornet serves the purpose very well and I've had no need yet to get a 223. I think I would need someone to mentor me with using the 223 as I've not had much experience of shooting one. I'd need to get my head around the extra distance and power on offer from the 223. The Hornet is on a open ticket as opposed to a closed for the 223, so I can get to use it on smaller land permissions where certain vermin need controlling. Cracking round

 

Whats the noise level like with the Hornet, (Presuming its moderated)?? My .204 is a right ear basher. Even with a good mod!

Do you reload? If so do you crimp the rounds?

 

I have a 22 Hornet and a 223 on my ticket but only actually own a Hornet at the moment. The Hornet serves the purpose very well and I've had no need yet to get a 223. I think I would need someone to mentor me with using the 223 as I've not had much experience of shooting one. I'd need to get my head around the extra distance and power on offer from the 223. The Hornet is on a open ticket as opposed to a closed for the 223, so I can get to use it on smaller land permissions where certain vermin need controlling. Cracking round

 

Whats the noise level like with the Hornet, (Presuming its moderated)?? My .204 is a right ear basher. Even with a good mod!

Do you reload? If so do you crimp the rounds?

.

 

Noise level is ok. I've a T4 on it. I don't reload but a friend reloads the odd 50 rounds for me

[charlie caller 3,654]

I have a 22 Hornet and a 223 on my ticket but only actually own a Hornet at the moment. The Hornet serves the purpose very well and I've had no need yet to get a 223. I think I would need someone to mentor me with using the 223 as I've not had much experience of shooting one. I'd need to get my head around the extra distance and power on offer from the 223. The Hornet is on a open ticket as opposed to a closed for the 223, so I can get to use it on smaller land permissions where certain vermin need controlling. Cracking round

Whilst I applaud a sensible approach to firearms, as you obviously have,mate if its a safe shot for a .22hornet it Is a safe shot for a .223, or a 505 Gibbs for that matter, in the real world you wont notice a deal of difference between shooting a hornet or .223,just the latter has a bit more range that's all, and hits harder, so don't be scared to use a .223 mate, I use my .243 for foxes all the time and provided you apply the rules of safe backstop and quarry identification all will be well.

[Alsone 789]

As charlie caller said small deer both muntjac or cwd are perfectly legal for .223 in England but not the hornet

 

 

I never knew that.

 

It's on the BASC website but there's no mention of it in The Deer Act that I can see. Maybe it was a later Act that amdended the provisions in respect of cwd and muntjac.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Alsone

[jam1e 12]

 

As charlie caller said small deer both muntjac or cwd are perfectly legal for .223 in England but not the hornet

 

 

I never knew that.

 

It's on the BASC website but there's no mention of it in The Deer Act that I can see. Maybe it was a later Act that amdended the provisions in respect of cwd and muntjac.

 

Same here. I thought, in England it's .243 for deer, regardless of species.

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

As charlie caller said small deer both muntjac or cwd are perfectly legal for .223 in England but not the hornet

 

 

I never knew that.

 

It's on the BASC website but there's no mention of it in The Deer Act that I can see. Maybe it was a later Act that amdended the provisions in respect of cwd and muntjac.

 

Same here. I thought, in England it's .243 for deer, regardless of species.

 

 

Nope, all changed in the Deer Act Amendment 2007....keep up!

 

Edit

Applies to England and Wales, Scotland has their own version and I'm not sure about NI.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Deker

[jam1e 12]

 

 

 

As charlie caller said small deer both muntjac or cwd are perfectly legal for .223 in England but not the hornet

 

 

I never knew that.

 

It's on the BASC website but there's no mention of it in The Deer Act that I can see. Maybe it was a later Act that amdended the provisions in respect of cwd and muntjac.

 

Same here. I thought, in England it's .243 for deer, regardless of species.

 

 

Nope, all changed in the Deer Act Amendment 2007....keep up!

 

Edit

Applies to England and Wales, Scotland has their own version and I'm not sure about NI.

 

I knew it really, was just having you folks on.........

Wouldn't make any odds anyhow as my main permission, (where i've only seen them) the farmer doesn't want them shot now as trees from yester-year have grown enough not to be a problem. I'm sure they must know to! They casually walk past well less than a 100 yards at times! It's a pisser watching lean steals amble past!

[jam1e 12]

How flat is the .22 Hornet? (Generally speaking) Say in comparison with the .17hmr.

Looking at the Lee Modern Reloading Data it's kind of strange seeing loads as low as 7 or 8 grains. And 13 grains being a hot load! Clearly cheap to run! But less than 20 pence a round would surely take some doing???

Is there much truth in v-max heads apparently needing to be loaded one at a time into the breech due to the COAL not fitting in the magazine??

To be honest i'm seriously considering putting in a variation for the .22 Hornet in the next few days. Granted it's limited to the 200(ish) yard distance but thats fine for my purposes. Going on some basic reseach it appears to be a very versitile round. And very flexibility when deciding on the powder charge.

Is there any .22 Hornet users on here who could give me a quick pro's and con's list for the round?

Edited May 24, 2013 by jam1e

[Alsone 789]

How flat is the .22 Hornet? (Generally speaking) Say in comparison with the .17hmr.

 

According to this, slightly flatter, around 0.2-0.4 inches less drop than .17 HMR on average at most distances below 250 yards - its 3 inches flatter at 250 yards.

 

By comparison to .17 HMR, the .22 Hornet has 111 ft lbs more energy at 250 yards (163ft lbs vs 52 ft lbs) from the same table of figures - whoever put this screenshot up from the video of the WSM tests didn't include the Hornet energy figures.

 

Although, that said nothing touches the new .17wsm though on paper in these calibres for bullet drop and wind drift resistance. For reference the .17 WSM and Hornet are almost identical on energy - only 13ft lbs difference at 250 yards (163 ft lbs vs 150 ft lbs)!

 

I'm not trying to push .17wsm despite mentioning this before. Just thought it was interesting as the new round if it lives up to early tests looks very promising as an alternative all rounder to .22 hornet and being rimfire will be cheap to fire.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Alsone

[The Seeker 3,048]

Mate, for varmint and fox control the hornet is a flat as you would need, up to 200 yards its superb (why would you need much more?), I've seen Charlie Caller on several occasions with home loads put 3 bullets almost through the same hole at 100 yards.

 

I have a .223 and its my choice as a foxing calibre as it gives me the option for CWD and Muntjac if I so choose where the Hornet doesn't . However I have hornet on my ticket as its a calibre Ive toyed with a few times.

 

MY choice of calibres is .22rf, 17 HMR (havent used this for over 18 months), .223, 6.5x 55 swede. To me this suits every aspect of rifle shooting I need, but as Deker quite rightly states each person has different requirements and therefore one rifle for one person will not suit anothers situation.

 

ATB

[charlie caller 3,654]

How flat is the .22 Hornet? (Generally speaking) Say in comparison with the .17hmr.

Looking at the Lee Modern Reloading Data it's kind of strange seeing loads as low as 7 or 8 grains. And 13 grains being a hot load! Clearly cheap to run! But less than 20 pence a round would surely take some doing???

Is there much truth in v-max heads apparently needing to be loaded one at a time into the breech due to the COAL not fitting in the magazine??

To be honest i'm seriously considering putting in a variation for the .22 Hornet in the next few days. Granted it's limited to the 200(ish) yard distance but thats fine for my purposes. Going on some basic reseach it appears to be a very versitile round. And very flexibility when deciding on the powder charge.

Is there any .22 Hornet users on here who could give me a quick pro's and con's list for the round?

I certainly did not experience any problems with the 35gn vmax I think what you are talking about are the 50gn vmax designed for .222 .223 22-250 ect they are longer than the vmax designed for the hornet,12.3 gns of H110 (max load) will give around 3100fps and is a devastating varmint round, however I switched to 45gn Sierra hornet bullet, whilst not quite as fast as the vmax it holds its energy longer and I found it flatter at extreme hornet range, and a hell of a lot cheaper too, also if shooting rabbits and you were slightly off target, it did not blow them to smithereens, but dropped foxes on the spot,a hornet is an excellent round, most people who get one fall in love with them.

[jam1e 12]

 

How flat is the .22 Hornet? (Generally speaking) Say in comparison with the .17hmr.

Looking at the Lee Modern Reloading Data it's kind of strange seeing loads as low as 7 or 8 grains. And 13 grains being a hot load! Clearly cheap to run! But less than 20 pence a round would surely take some doing???

Is there much truth in v-max heads apparently needing to be loaded one at a time into the breech due to the COAL not fitting in the magazine??

To be honest i'm seriously considering putting in a variation for the .22 Hornet in the next few days. Granted it's limited to the 200(ish) yard distance but thats fine for my purposes. Going on some basic reseach it appears to be a very versitile round. And very flexibility when deciding on the powder charge.

Is there any .22 Hornet users on here who could give me a quick pro's and con's list for the round?

I certainly did not experience any problems with the 35gn vmax I think what you are talking about are the 50gn vmax designed for .222 .223 22-250 ect they are longer than the vmax designed for the hornet,12.3 gns of H110 (max load) will give around 3100fps and is a devastating varmint round, however I switched to 45gn Sierra hornet bullet, whilst not quite as fast as the vmax it holds its energy longer and I found it flatter at extreme hornet range, and a hell of a lot cheaper too, also if shooting rabbits and you were slightly off target, it did not blow them to smithereens, but dropped foxes on the spot,a hornet is an excellent round, most people who get one fall in love with them.

 

Sounds just the job to me

[rimmer 33]

I Have been reading alot of reviews on various hornet rifles and they all seem to fall short on grouping. I know that some of the comments on here seem to indicate the otherwise but unless a hornet will produce groups like a 223 at 100yrds i think it is off the menu for me. I dont think it is so important to get clover leaf groups for my useage but just knowing it wont do it would drive me insane!!

[Deker 3,478]

I Have been reading alot of reviews on various hornet rifles and they all seem to fall short on grouping. I know that some of the comments on here seem to indicate the otherwise but unless a hornet will produce groups like a 223 at 100yrds i think it is off the menu for me. I dont think it is so important to get clover leaf groups for my useage but just knowing it wont do it would drive me insane!!

 

So, who is twisting your arm?

 

Get the right load for the barrel in either case and any difference at 100 yards will not be worth talking about!