Am I In A Minority?.

[gnasher16 30,025]

Not ashamed, just doing a lot better now through my own efforts and not sitting around blaming other people or the goverment for my suroundings, not stuggling for money, dont have to answer to a boss.

I understand your point mate i just think you put it badly..........................if i became a billionaire owner of the biggest football club in the world.......i,ll still be a scrappy little cockney out the flats........i think its called not forgetting your roots.

I make you right as regards the moaning and whingeing though

[northern lad 2,292]

 

Fook me fancy being ashamed of were your from and who you are. Better your self yes. But. Denial. No thank you

 

Not ashamed, just doing a lot better now through my own efforts and not sitting around blaming other people or the goverment for my suroundings, not stuggling for money, dont have to answer to a boss.

Does it occur to you that MANY people live on council estates (shit holes) and are working class AND are content ,happy with their lot in life....that's the best thing any man can hope to achieve by the way you could drive a Ferrari,lounge in your swimming pool ,whilst the butler brings you your tiffin........YOU will always be working class and whats more..youre neighbours will view you as such ....unless you live next door to Hyacinth Bouquet (bucket)....be happy with what you have achieved but don't pretend to be something your not... anyway,has anyone got a litter of Corgi/whippets planned.....

[Rake aboot 4,935]

 

 

Who the fcuk wants to be working class, if you enjoy living in a shit hole surounded by idiots and ner do wells then fine, if not, then get your finger out and rise above it, you only get back what you put in, it takes effort and comitment to work your way up from what you call working class, if working class still exists, to middle class, its called starting your own business, the upshot is your wallowing in profits, and create the much needed jobs that you say the country lacks, so put or shut up, the choice is yours.

How do you equate living in a shit hole,surrounded by idiots and ner do wells as being working class

 

 

Because this is the impression the whingers give, run down estates due to lack of goverment backing when in fact its the ner do wells that drag them down, and no amount of backing will regenrate them, only the people that drag them down can regenerate them, people that are in employment and doing well dont want to be called working class, and why should they, the reason their driven to put the extra effort in is to leave that part of their life behind and do better for them selves and their kids, not moping around on run down estates, the reason we have run down estates is because its the only place to dump the ner do wells, some people find them selves on these estates through no fault of their own, but generally work their way up and away from them in time, the others that dont should get of their arses and do something about the enviroment they live in,after all, its an environment they have a large stake in.

 

 

Beg to differ bud

 

I make a fekin fortune,, have a great job, no mortgage, run brand new cars etc etc blah blah pish pish..

 

Trust me mate,, I`m working class.. regardless of what the stupid bbc test says,, My roots are in a council scheme and I had a great childhood,

 

You should quit being a snob bud, it doesn`t make you sound very clever.

[NEWKID 27,047]

Ha ha hee he ha ha ha ha ha hee. He ah ha ha ha ha. He he he hehe. Ah he. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha. He he he ah Your born. Working class and you will die working class dont care how much you amass. Dont care were you live. You are what you are. Me working class. And FOOKING PROUD.

Well said mate,

 

I done that stupid questionnaire thing the other day and it told me I was some type of middle class wtf.... I was born on a council estate, grew up on council estates and a couple of refuges as a kid.. My grandfather and father lived in the same council house ( that my dad still lives in, and Maggie let him buy lol), all my family are self employed inc uncles, dad, brother and grandfather until he died ( literally).... Now my business is doing ok, I don't live on the estate anymore but there's no way I'm middle class, I'm working class, and my kids will be brought up with the same mentality.. You can be proud of being working class because all of the best grafters I know are as are all of my best mates...you can stick your wine bars and pouncing about pretending to be something your not, you can have a million pound in your pocket but it don't make you any different..

 

Edited to say

 

I've just read you other lads posts, and I've said much the same so sorry if it sounds like I'm repeating..... I should learn to read the thread first before replying lol

Edited April 19, 2013 by NEWKID

[Blackbriar 8,569]

 

 

 

 

Who the fcuk wants to be working class, if you enjoy living in a shit hole surounded by idiots and ner do wells then fine, if not, then get your finger out and rise above it, you only get back what you put in, it takes effort and comitment to work your way up from what you call working class, if working class still exists, to middle class, its called starting your own business, the upshot is your wallowing in profits, and create the much needed jobs that you say the country lacks, so put or shut up, the choice is yours.

Bet your popular in South Yorkshire........

 

Yes, I am.

I was being sarcastic......

 

I dont have to be, because I am.

Modest as well, I see !

[pritch 335]

 

 

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

There are far more working class people than middle and upper class put together,so how has it not been possible to get a goverment that represents the majority?.Its my kids who i despair for,my two lads are in the forces and both have been threatened with redundancy.My two daughters are in university one learning to be a social worker and the other studying to be a school teacher.I know of university graduates that cant get a job and have to work behind a bar,or do telesales,or even both.Thats not their fault they would love to do the job that they went to 6th form for,then 4 years at university or 7 for a masters and for what?.

 

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here but so what if your children have degrees, if there aren't the jobs available for their chosen career then there aren't any jobs but there isn't anything to stop them using a bit of that well trained grey matter and creating a job or just taking a step sideways.

 

Let's have a look at what they are studying:

 

Social Worker: This is an easy one.

 

Probation Officer.

Prison Advisor

Youth Offending Officer

Learning Disability Support Officer

Child/Adult care worker

 

These are just of the top of my bonce but there is a whole range if you do a search (took 3seconds)

 

Job options

Jobs directly related to your degree include:

• Social worker
• Probation officer (Northern Ireland)

Many social workers are employed by local authority children's or adult services undertaking statutory work (required by government legislation).

Local authority roles in children's teams include family support work, child protection, working with looked-after children (foster care), adoption and school attendance (education social worker). In adult teams, opportunities include mental health and substance misuse work.

Social workers also work with the elderly, those with physical or learning disabilities, in residential and day-care facilities, in criminal justice work, housing and community projects and with the homeless. It is possible to work your way up into management positions, such as safeguarding or care manager. For the range of job opportunities, see the British Association of Social Workers .

In Northern Ireland, a social work degree is required to become a probation officer.

The practical skills and work experience gained on a social work degree are also relevant to a range of other social care and advice roles:

• Adult guidance worker
• Advice worker
• Careers adviser
• Charity officer
• Community development worker
• Counsellor
• Equality and diversity officer
• Psychotherapist
• Volunteer coordinator
• Youth worker

You may need further training/qualifications or specific work experience with children or older people for some of these jobs.

Remember that many employers accept applications from graduates with any degree subject, so don't restrict your thinking to the jobs listed here.

 

That daughter is pretty safe when it comes to different paths.

 

Teacher: Specialised but not limited.

 

Support Worker.

Training Delivery - both public and private sector.

 

Another 3 second search:

 

Jobs directly related to your degree

• Primary school teacher - teaches a range of subjects to a class of pupils from the age range 4 -11 years and may have responsibility for delivering a particular subject across the school (e.g. music).
• Secondary school teacher - teaches one or more national curriculum subjects to classes of pupils aged 11-16 or 11-18.
• Early years teacher - fosters and develops the abilities, social skills and understanding of children aged three to five years, focusing on optimum child development and preparation for a successful transition to primary school education.
• Special educational needs teacher - teaches children with emotional, behavioural or learning difficulties at one or more stages in the SEN Code of Practice. They are also involved in identifying all levels of need.
• Further education lecturer - usually teaches a specific subject to students over 16 but increasingly to 14-19 year olds.
• Adult education lecturer - teaches specific subject areas to adults either within educational settings, in the community and increasingly through distance/remote learning
• Community education officer - works to promote and facilitate access to a wide range of voluntary educational activities by all members of the community, regardless of age.
• Youth worker - supports and encourages young people to become involved in local ‘informal’ educational activities.
• Education administrator - organises and oversees administrative activities and systems that support and facilitate the smooth running of an education institution. The majority are based in higher or further education, but opportunities are increasingly available in schools and private colleges.

Jobs where your degree would be useful

• Learning mentor - provides a complementary service to teachers and other staff, addressing the needs of children who require assistance in overcoming barriers to learning in order to achieve their full potential.
• Careers adviser - provides information, advice and guidance (IAG) inside and outside education. Advisers are employed to ensure that people (especially young people aged 13-19) achieve their full potential.
• Museum education officer - a museum education officer is responsible for realising the potential of the museum collections as learning resources and developing learning opportunities.
• Social worker - often works with people experiencing crisis or people who are socially excluded with the aim of providing support to enable service users to help themselves. Social workers maintain professional relationships with service users, acting as a guide, advocate or as a critical friend.
• Training and development officer - manages the learning of an organisation's workforce, delivering training sessions to participants or, in a more senior role, devises a training strategy for the organisation.

 

 

NOw, just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are GUARANTEED a job, it is merely a string to your bow that the other folk applying might not have. What is wrong with working in a bar, a shop, a supermarket or wherever just because you have a degree? You are at least working and have work history with a wwork record, references and shows a willigness to work as well as gaining skills and being able to transfer these to your new role.

 

I used to be a barman, before that I worked in McDonalds, was a labourer and then spent all day just photocopying stuff. I'm now a senior IP Network Engineer specialising in wide area networks that cover the UK. I never went to University I just saved up and did courses for where I saw potential growth. I became stagnant in my current role so I saved up again and became qualified in a trade so I will always have a job for life (MOD lads were doing the same course too who got made redundant ) so I do my main job during the day and I do my trade on an evening and weekend or if it's a big job I take annual leave (double pay, bonus!). Am I doing my dream job? Not at all because there aren't any jobs going in that area. Am I doing my second choice job? No. I've got loads of qualifications from all manner of things that will stand me in good stead of finding a job in loads of different roles and the vast majority of skills transfer regardless.

 

A degree is a tool, not a guarantee.

don't know about a degree being a tool but you sound like one,youth unemployment is running at over 25 % last

i heard & rising & that's not realistic figure as it's from the government so do all these kids not want to work

would they not take any of the jobs you have listed

[stop.end 4,079]

 

ok some people did see maggie as ok...but beleive me it was a very very small minority

 

I don't want to start this again but you are aware that she never lost an election aren't you? Very very small minority............ maybe where you're from. You might not have liked her, you're social group might not have like her but let's keep to the facts eh.

lol...facts?? well heres a fact ...your not elected your selected!! do you think for 1 minute your vote counts for shit?? just look what America are trying to do to venezula at the min after there elections last week...the USA dont like who they elected so now they demanding a re-count...but your prob too busy on here or watching britains got talent to know that ehh... oh and just for the record born.... are you trying to tell me when [BANNED TEXT] divides a whole nation...throws familys out of jobs and homes she done a good job??

[chameleon 26]

 

 

 

Who the fcuk wants to be working class, if you enjoy living in a shit hole surounded by idiots and ner do wells then fine, if not, then get your finger out and rise above it, you only get back what you put in, it takes effort and comitment to work your way up from what you call working class, if working class still exists, to middle class, its called starting your own business, the upshot is your wallowing in profits, and create the much needed jobs that you say the country lacks, so put or shut up, the choice is yours.

How do you equate living in a shit hole,surrounded by idiots and ner do wells as being working class

 

 

Because this is the impression the whingers give, run down estates due to lack of goverment backing when in fact its the ner do wells that drag them down, and no amount of backing will regenrate them, only the people that drag them down can regenerate them, people that are in employment and doing well dont want to be called working class, and why should they, the reason their driven to put the extra effort in is to leave that part of their life behind and do better for them selves and their kids, not moping around on run down estates, the reason we have run down estates is because its the only place to dump the ner do wells, some people find them selves on these estates through no fault of their own, but generally work their way up and away from them in time, the others that dont should get of their arses and do something about the enviroment they live in,after all, its an environment they have a large stake in.

 

 

Beg to differ bud

 

I make a fekin fortune,, have a great job, no mortgage, run brand new cars etc etc blah blah pish pish..

 

Trust me mate,, I`m working class.. regardless of what the stupid bbc test says,, My roots are in a council scheme and I had a great childhood,

 

You should quit being a snob bud, it doesn`t make you sound very clever.

 

Its nothing to do with being a snob, my slight is aimed at thost that just whinge and expect others to provide for them like its a god given right, you only get back what you put in, I see folk on here moaning about there being no jobs about, well if it eats them that much, then start a business and employ people then, like other employers do, its like folk think they just have to sit back and wait for employment to pick up so they can have an easy job with loads of money, it just wont happen, it takes action to create secure employment, and all the people moaning about banks and their big profits, I would be out of business if the banks had not lent me the money to buy the first machines I needed to manufacture the items I sell, I put my house up as collateral to buy my first machine, if had not, then I would not have grown big enough to be an employer.

[chameleon 26]

 

Not ashamed, just doing a lot better now through my own efforts and not sitting around blaming other people or the goverment for my suroundings, not stuggling for money, dont have to answer to a boss.

I understand your point mate i just think you put it badly..........................if i became a billionaire owner of the biggest football club in the world.......i,ll still be a scrappy little cockney out the flats........i think its called not forgetting your roots.

I make you right as regards the moaning and whingeing though

 

Probably did put it badly, but its a hard thing to put across to such a broad spectrum of people, and avoid those that just want to score points in front of other members by slagging other members off, I too if I ever became a billionare, would still hang about with the same kin I grew up with as I do now, but belive me, its hard sometimes, because there are people that are just jealous and want to see you fail, and I've given many of them a brake in life, only to be stabbed in the back for my efforts, so these days I have little sympathy for those that just whinge and dont want to get on.

[WILF 46,563]

I watched a thing on the telly once, the bloke was saying if people in the USA see you in a Rolls Royce they clap you, if people in Britain see you in a Rolls Royce they want to run a key down the side of it

 

So f***ing true

[chameleon 26]

I watched a thing on the telly once, the bloke was saying if people in the USA see you in a Rolls Royce they clap you, if people in Britain see you in a Rolls Royce they want to run a key down the side of it

 

So f*****g true

 

Thats a fact.

[gnasher16 30,025]

I watched a thing on the telly once, the bloke was saying if people in the USA see you in a Rolls Royce they clap you, if people in Britain see you in a Rolls Royce they want to run a key down the side of it

 

So f*****g true

I think jealousy has to be the most repulsive trait there is..................id love to see you,me......and all your pals living in wealth........what possible reason do people become jealous for its such an ugly trait to a persons character.

[NEWKID 27,047]

 

 

 

Not ashamed, just doing a lot better now through my own efforts and not sitting around blaming other people or the goverment for my suroundings, not stuggling for money, dont have to answer to a boss.

 

I understand your point mate i just think you put it badly..........................if i became a billionaire owner of the biggest football club in the world.......i,ll still be a scrappy little cockney out the flats........i think its called not forgetting your roots.

I make you right as regards the moaning and whingeing though

Probably did put it badly, but its a hard thing to put across to such a broad spectrum of people, and avoid those that just want to score points in front of other members by slagging other members off, I too if I ever became a billionare, would still hang about with the same kin I grew up with as I do now, but belive me, its hard sometimes, because there are people that are just jealous and want to see you fail, and I've given many of them a brake in life, only to be stabbed in the back for my efforts, so these days I have little sympathy for those that just whinge and dont want to get on.

You've made the same sacrifices and taken the same risks as most people who set up businesses without the financial backing of rich parents... Basically a working class lad done good, well done mate, I know how hard it is and not just the work but the stress when you put it all on the line.....it's not for everyone though, some are happy with there lot and a less stressful existence there's nothing wrong with that either... It comments like " who wants to be fcking working class" which don't sit well, if your born working class you are working class... There's pricks who are working class and middle class I don't know about upperclass not sure if I've met any lol, but I'd guess there are..... Tbh I find the pretend middle class lot the worst...

And your right about jealousy, but they were never mates anyway, the other thing is when your running your own business and employing a few everyone thinks your a millionaire over night...

[lanesra 3,994]

 

I watched a thing on the telly once, the bloke was saying if people in the USA see you in a Rolls Royce they clap you, if people in Britain see you in a Rolls Royce they want to run a key down the side of it

So f*****g true

I think jealousy has to be the most repulsive trait there is..................id love to see you,me......and all your pals living in wealth........what possible reason do people become jealous for its such an ugly trait to a persons character.

I Know A Bloke Who's Relative Has Done Really Well From Nothing . . The Jealousy Eats Away At Him , At First I Thought What A Tosser Though Now I Pity Him To A Degree As It Hurts Him More For Having That Horrible Trait !

[pritch 335]

 

I watched a thing on the telly once, the bloke was saying if people in the USA see you in a Rolls Royce they clap you, if people in Britain see you in a Rolls Royce they want to run a key down the side of it

 

So f*****g true

I think jealousy has to be the most repulsive trait there is..................id love to see you,me......and all your pals living in wealth........what possible reason do people become jealous for its such an ugly trait to a persons character.

yeh it ain't a nice trait but no where near as bad as greed ALL the business owners that pay low wages knowing they

will be topped up by the state, while they pay themselves massive wages thus being subsidized indirectly the same

moaning about how the mines & such where subsidized,i don't wish for people not to do well or think those at the top

should be payed the same as them at the bottom but the wealth needs to be spread a little more evenly.jealousy and

greed are far more preverlant with the haves than the have nots the more they have the more they want