Am I In A Minority?.

[brucemyster 75]

in your post you speak of "hardworking ordinary people, who can no longer pay the stupidly high bills, put food on the table and are in real danger of losing their homes" which you also quote later on is not you as your comfortably in the black as are most hardworking individuals who are in employment,indeed from your comments I would assume your bordering on the middleclass. I can sympathise with your views but the people you need to mobilise in organised non violent protests are the low paid and unemployed,but as also quoted by other members a majority of those people could better and re-educate themselves (plenty of free courses out there) and improve their earning potential. I've been off work, long time sick (I receive no benefits) but I haven't sat here watching day time TV and wasting my time, I've looked up the free course. Got myself a food hygiene certificate, an SIA license (security) and am studying a masters degree in ICT so when I'm able to go back to work I've got more strings to my bow, it's all about getting some backbone,being prepared to get your hands dirty and looking to step up on the ladder to improve education, unfortunately more people would rather moan about what their owed by society and what could have and should have been, rather than going out there and getting it.

I'm not knocking you just the apathy society has in that people want everything but are not prepared to better themselves and work for it while bitching about those who have!!

[paulus 26]

fook im off to chuck bricks at coppers

[gnasher16 30,025]

Why blame the government for your lot in life or even those who have taken the time to study and open the horizon a bit more to better opportunities?

 

I agree they put up a few barriers, nothing to inconvencing but essentially the only thing stopping someone from achieving something is themself, it just boils donw to "how much do you want it?"

 

If you have a back up plan in case stuff goes breasts skywards then you should be ok regardless of what the government comes up with. If you think your jo is always going to be there then you are a fool for thinking so and if you don't do anything to keep things moving along in your favour then you are an even bigger fool.

 

Blaming officials or even people who live in a btetr house or drive a nicer car is just a cry of "I'm owed something from this life!" and you clearly aren't, nobody is. Anybody can go from "Havin git all" to not having a pot to piss in but it takes a somebody to rise up the scale. Ask yourself "Am I an anybody or a somebody?" If you're an anybody then tough, unfotunately but quit whinging about it. If you are a somebody then you are already out there seeking opportunities that can provide you with an advantage, getting down the local college to find out what free courses they run, speaking to a career advisor, researching what roles would suit the lifestyle you want, working out what gaps there are in your skillset and then filling those gaps in. It's not hard if you are willing to put the work in.

 

Politicians, no matter how much they talk bollocks to you just before they want and need your vote to provide them with a better life are really only after one thing, their better life. The same goes for you. You want the better life then you're going to have to get out there, tread on some toes and take a bit of shit with it.

That has got to be the single best post ive seen on here in a long time...............and certainly the best one on these recent politics debates lately...........

Standing ovation to you there sir !.......................... Rely on nobody but yourself and you will have nobody to cry to but yourself = Clean conscience !

[cammy12 176]

have a squint at the British constitutional group that rodger hayes fella just read a few things and it has me intrigued to read more

[northern lad 2,292]

 

Northern lad read my initial post again about last years riots.As for the rest that havent posted anything useful,well ive seen your other contributions of sarcasm on other threads.Whilst sometimes you are funny after a while it gets to borderline bullying,luckily im a bit thicker skinned than others youve ripped the arse out of!.

Ive had the same job for the last 32 years and have a comfortable lifestyle, no money worries,two sons in the forces and two daughters at university.through hard work and being a good husband and father to my kids im in a better place than most,but that doesnt mean im blind to what goes on around me!.

Cliff Ray,you say.....

 

 

By "proper riots" I suppose you mean far more forceful than the last ones?

Where more police and innocent residents are injured?

Where more random people lose their property and livelihood?

Where more businesses are destroyed?

Where the country as a whole loses more money that could go to extra dialysis machines, firemen, or social housing?

Fortunately you are in a minority.

The goverments have just squandered 10 million on a funeral that should have been paid for by Thatcher or her family,just like the rest of us has to.I struggled to pay the 6 grand it cost 6 years ago to pre pay for mine and the wifes,just so our children wouldnt have that worry!.

How many firemens wages would 10 million cover,when this goverment has been calling redundancys on the fire service and put an initial 3 year block on recruitment ?.

How many dialysis machines would 10 million buy?

How many familys would benefit from 10 million extra in the social housings coffers.

How many people cannot afford to get anti cancer drugs would 10 million help?.

You've lost me ....define a "proper riot"

[bwfc 164]

To be honest ive put my time in and im happy with my lot.Im just despairing for my children ive brought into the world,as everything is a real shambles.

It angers me to see politicians spout their lies,then think we are fool enough to believe them next time they spew the next pile of crap.An elected goverment is supposed to represent the country as a whole and if they go back on promises then they should be held accountable.

Its no wonder people waste their vote and simply dont bother,as the whole lot of them are an effing joke!!.Just what is it going to take to sort these lying public school pricks a hard lesson if rioting is out of the question?.

[bwfc 164]

 

 

Northern lad read my initial post again about last years riots.As for the rest that havent posted anything useful,well ive seen your other contributions of sarcasm on other threads.Whilst sometimes you are funny after a while it gets to borderline bullying,luckily im a bit thicker skinned than others youve ripped the arse out of!.

Ive had the same job for the last 32 years and have a comfortable lifestyle, no money worries,two sons in the forces and two daughters at university.through hard work and being a good husband and father to my kids im in a better place than most,but that doesnt mean im blind to what goes on around me!.

Cliff Ray,you say.....

 

 

By "proper riots" I suppose you mean far more forceful than the last ones?

Where more police and innocent residents are injured?

Where more random people lose their property and livelihood?

Where more businesses are destroyed?

Where the country as a whole loses more money that could go to extra dialysis machines, firemen, or social housing?

Fortunately you are in a minority.

The goverments have just squandered 10 million on a funeral that should have been paid for by Thatcher or her family,just like the rest of us has to.I struggled to pay the 6 grand it cost 6 years ago to pre pay for mine and the wifes,just so our children wouldnt have that worry!.

How many firemens wages would 10 million cover,when this goverment has been calling redundancys on the fire service and put an initial 3 year block on recruitment ?.

How many dialysis machines would 10 million buy?

How many familys would benefit from 10 million extra in the social housings coffers.

How many people cannot afford to get anti cancer drugs would 10 million help?.

You've lost me ....define a "proper riot"

From my first post.....

When we had riots last year i said they werent proper riots,as that was the work of people with little or no family responsibilities and idiot opportunists.A real riot is made up of hardworking ordinary people,who can no longer pay the stupidly high bills,put food on the table and are in real danger of losing their homes.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

 

 

Northern lad read my initial post again about last years riots.As for the rest that havent posted anything useful,well ive seen your other contributions of sarcasm on other threads.Whilst sometimes you are funny after a while it gets to borderline bullying,luckily im a bit thicker skinned than others youve ripped the arse out of!.

Ive had the same job for the last 32 years and have a comfortable lifestyle, no money worries,two sons in the forces and two daughters at university.through hard work and being a good husband and father to my kids im in a better place than most,but that doesnt mean im blind to what goes on around me!.

Cliff Ray,you say.....

 

 

By "proper riots" I suppose you mean far more forceful than the last ones?

Where more police and innocent residents are injured?

Where more random people lose their property and livelihood?

Where more businesses are destroyed?

Where the country as a whole loses more money that could go to extra dialysis machines, firemen, or social housing?

Fortunately you are in a minority.

The goverments have just squandered 10 million on a funeral that should have been paid for by Thatcher or her family,just like the rest of us has to.I struggled to pay the 6 grand it cost 6 years ago to pre pay for mine and the wifes,just so our children wouldnt have that worry!.

How many firemens wages would 10 million cover,when this goverment has been calling redundancys on the fire service and put an initial 3 year block on recruitment ?.

How many dialysis machines would 10 million buy?

How many familys would benefit from 10 million extra in the social housings coffers.

How many people cannot afford to get anti cancer drugs would 10 million help?.

You've lost me ....define a "proper riot"

From my first post.....

When we had riots last year i said they werent proper riots,as that was the work of people with little or no family responsibilities and idiot opportunists.A real riot is made up of hardworking ordinary people,who can no longer pay the stupidly high bills,put food on the table and are in real danger of losing their homes.

A riot is a riot, dosen't matter what agenda is behind it, its still a riot and will be treated as such by the authorities. What you want is a protest with an agenda thats not going to be construed as just some people noising it up, not easy in this day and age I know.

[paulus 26]

The biggest problem with the country and the politicians know it, is our ageing population that is growing exponentially at a cost the country just carn`t afford to sustain, no politician will touch this subject for fear of the grey vote. no ammount of riots, welfare reforms or austerity measures will stop this happening, at best, all it will do is slow it down.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

fcuk it we should just kill all antis all polititicians all muslims all foreigners and all the badgers, I predict a riot VOTE UKIP and they'll promise the world and prob do bugger all just like the rest

[northern lad 2,292]

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

[Rake aboot 4,935]

Well according to the tests,, I`m middle class

 

And rest assured mate, I`ve sucked no f****r dry,, if you met me you lump me in with the rest of the working white trash !

 

In fact wneh it comes to bleeding tha working man,,, I feel I`ve done quite the opposite,, I`ve f****n fed plenty of them when they hit hard times and turn toy benifits to see them through.

 

 

I`m bored though,, so I`ll riot with yeh if yeh want,, I`ll fire doon in me poacher pikeymoblie camper and do the tea for the brick throwers

[paulus 26]

Well according to the tests,, I`m middle class

 

And rest assured mate, I`ve sucked no f****r dry,, if you met me you lump me in with the rest of the working white trash !

 

In fact wneh it comes to bleeding tha working man,,, I feel I`ve done quite the opposite,, I`ve f****n fed plenty of them when they hit hard times and turn toy benifits to see them through.

 

 

I`m bored though,, so I`ll riot with yeh if yeh want,, I`ll fire doon in me poacher pikeymoblie camper and do the tea for the brick throwers

i still want to throw bricks at coppers

[Brewman 1,192]

There is no such thing as a proper riot. A riot is a riot is a riot.

 

My neice was trapped in the street where she lived in London because of the riots going on around her. Had she being injured because of that specific riot or a riot staffed by innocent people who can't afford the "stupidly high bills" etc would not legitimize those actions.

The perpetrators would still be scum in my eyes.

Alot of innocent people would suffer possibly losing their lives.

Emergency services resources would be diverted thus putting innocent lives at risk both of the services personnel and of civilians entitled to care and assistance.

 

If you feel so strongly about it why don't you start a movement protesting about such issues starting with holding it outside the local MPs offices. This would surely get you noticed locally to start with then canvass local radio/tv stations and other media outlets.

 

I am of the opinion that your thinking is flawed which is reinforced by the replies you have received on this thread.

I also can't understand how you can accuse other posters of bullying and the replies so far I can't see upsetting somebody with a thin skin.

 

One last point, a lot of people in your "PROPER RIOT" wouldn't have to worry about bills as I am aware that full bed and board is supplied by HM Prison Service fully complimentary.

[bwfc 164]

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

There are far more working class people than middle and upper class put together,so how has it not been possible to get a goverment that represents the majority?.Its my kids who i despair for,my two lads are in the forces and both have been threatened with redundancy.My two daughters are in university one learning to be a social worker and the other studying to be a school teacher.I know of university graduates that cant get a job and have to work behind a bar,or do telesales,or even both.Thats not their fault they would love to do the job that they went to 6th form for,then 4 years at university or 7 for a masters and for what?.