Deerhound X Greyhound Hares Preban

[BOLIO1 1,078]

No but at least T.G.'s pure saluki was competing against some of the top coursing lurchers in the country....not just some other k.c. salukis owned by the few saluki coursing club members lucky enough to be allowed to run in what was tantamount to a closed shop membership event.

The K.C. type breeder places to much emphasis on purity of lineage and not enough on purity of performance....i.m.h.o.

[Guest edrd]

must have been a bumber for those lurcher lads to be beaten way a kc lol clowns 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[morton 5,368]

 

 

Dan , its years of selective breeding (good worker to good worker) and the enviroment and quarry you run that has made your dogs of today when you can go and hunt your quarry and not be looking over your shoulder, just concentrating on the hounds ,thats where you have succeeded

And I assume that the staghound types that Dan and his countrymen uses are descended from the original deerhounds brought over by settlers 200 years ago when deerhounds were purely working type rough haired greyhounds bred for ability not show. In the intervening years the yanks have continued to breed for performance....and against bigger, more dangerous quary than anything our dogs have to tackle. Meanwhile the deerhound over here has probably gone in the opposite direction, being mainly selected for a handsome profile, coat type and height. No matter that one or two people have been trying to breed a working type in recent years....the vast majority of breeders have not. Even the deerhound (and saluki) coursing events only involve K.C. registered dogs so they're not competing against best of the best lurchers.

We only have to look at the state of the K.C. show type greyhound and compare this slab sided unco-ordinated monstrosity to even the modern track dog to see that a standard decided by committee can't hope to compete with a standard decided by performance.

 

The Deerhound here,in America or anywhere else as been ruined for many,many generations.In all honesty why would a Deerhound fare any better in the USof A than it would here,the American Kennel Club know how to ruin a breed better than the numpty,s that run the KC over here.The only vestiges of the breed left now,as honest hunting jukels,is the crossbreds,here or over the pond.With selective breeding and outcrossing the Deerhound influence survives in hunting dogs,there will be far more working deerhound types still over here,than anywhere else.

[Guest edrd]

Fck England 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[morton 5,368]

 

I wouldent look anyware else than SCOTLAND myself some people just don't own a computer some are that old they can't txt some are pure well

On paper lol no DNA 10 years ago

People tend to forget that the Deerhound was a Scottish hound to run the open moors and deal with large,fast and quarry little else could come to terms with,sadly id be dubious about any so called pure blood being able to do a quarter of what the original took as the norm.

[Guest edrd]

Ian is a cock 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[matt32 44]

I think deer/grey crosses are the way they are nowadays,due to the fact saluki and bullxs were introduced in the eighties and proved better at their respective quarry.Before bullx deer/grey were the dog most lads would have had for larger quarry.So less and less people were working them and testing them until you have the situation you have today.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Morton I deliberately said staghound types because I was referring, not to deerhounds, but to the working staghounds that are descended from the original settlers deerhounds and their crosses bred for work all down the line in the U.S.A. as opposed to the show deerhounds bred for looks. In other words I don't think the american staghounds are merely the equivalent of the deerhound crosses we would be talking about in Britain today. The most ardent british deerhound enthusiast has only show type deerhounds to work with today.....unless someone has been breeding and testing a secret line of highland hounds for generations without telling anyone!

[Guest edrd]

Think Darren wanted my bitch lol 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[morton 5,368]

 

Morton I deliberately said staghound types because I was referring, not to deerhounds, but to the working staghounds that are descended from the original settlers deerhounds and their crosses bred for work all down the line in the U.S.A. as opposed to the show deerhounds bred for looks. In other words I don't think the american staghounds are merely the equivalent of the deerhound crosses we would be talking about in Britain today. The most ardent british deerhound enthusiast has only show type deerhounds to work with today.....unless someone has been breeding and testing a secret line of highland hounds for generations without telling anyone!

Ive always known staghounds as basically Deerhoundy lurcher types,all the travelling lads owned pot filling stags at some stage or another.People get mixed up with hounds that hunt stags here and lurchers that are known as staghounds.I know where your coming from,yet the dogs that are bred over there now have many generations of non working jukels in the mix,the same as here.Selective breeding and graft as brought out the best from the original.

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

I wouldent look anyware else than SCOTLAND myself some people just don't own a computer some are that old they can't txt some are pure well

On paper lol no DNA 10 years ago

People tend to forget that the Deerhound was a Scottish hound to run the open moors and deal with large,fast and quarry little else could come to terms with,sadly id be dubious about any so called pure blood being able to do a quarter of what the original took as the norm.

 

Now i will stand corrected but i believe the deerhound was bred to deal with injured quarry, mainly red deer that had been shot and injured by the early guns of the time which were very inaccurate.

I was actually having a cup of tea with a guy who slipped and judged deerhounds for a few years back in the day. They caught very, very few hares and the ones that did were usually the smaller type of bitches. This was doubled-up too.....

[BOLIO1 1,078]

If you read what I've written very carefully you'll see that I've been talking about a tested line over the 200 years or so that have elapsed since the settlers brought their deerhound types to America, where their dogs have been used on far more potent game than we have access to. We could take an individual K.C.show type greyhound and run the legs off it at rabbits but it would still be a k.c. show type greyhound.....no matter how many rabbits it may have caught.

[Guest edrd]

yip jd my old bitch dealt with 4 injured roe oneday on a quarry he mist everyone lol no lurcher id owned could catch in a disused quarry many suger did he feeds chappie 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[morton 5,368]

 

If you read what I've written very carefully you'll see that I've been talking about a tested line over the 200 years or so that have elapsed since the settlers brought their deerhound types to America, where their dogs have been used on far more potent game than we have access to. We could take an individual K.C.show type greyhound and run the legs off it at rabbits but it would still be a k.c. show type greyhound.....no matter how many rabbits it may have caught.

I doubt there is any such thing as a genuine tested line over 200 years,here there or anywhere,the only tested lines have come from generations of untested and show bred stock.All these superior hunting lines come from Kc show dogs,especially in America.Tried and tested breeding and outcrossing have brought out the best in the breed,especially the outcrossing.The nearest thing to the original Deerhound to me is the Deer/Grey-Collie/Grey.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

 

Morton I deliberately said staghound types because I was referring, not to deerhounds, but to the working staghounds that are descended from the original settlers deerhounds and their crosses bred for work all down the line in the U.S.A. as opposed to the show deerhounds bred for looks. In other words I don't think the american staghounds are merely the equivalent of the deerhound crosses we would be talking about in Britain today. The most ardent british deerhound enthusiast has only show type deerhounds to work with today.....unless someone has been breeding and testing a secret line of highland hounds for generations without telling anyone!

Ive always known staghounds as basically Deerhoundy lurcher types,all the travelling lads owned pot filling stags at some stage or another.People get mixed up with hounds that hunt stags here and lurchers that are known as staghounds.I know where your coming from,yet the dogs that are bred over there now have many generations of non working jukels in the mix,the same as here.Selective breeding and graft as brought out the best from the original.

 

That's basically my point morton. The yank dogs have been bred according to how they dealt with coyotes etc. for 200 years and for most of that time the dog we call the deerhound has been selected for looks.