inan 841 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) the problem is that some deerhoundxgreyhounds are badly bred and some salukixgreyhounds are badly bred .you cannot judge any cross by the bad excamples you can only judge by watching the best of any cross. the dog in any cross that has superiour speed with stamina is going to pick up the hare preban before the dog with lower speed especially if run in singles not pairs .all i can say is that those who say sxg are rubbish have not seen a good one and those who say dxg are rubbish have not seen a good one I owned deerhound crosses decades ago, and have seen plenty of them run on field and fen. With proper slips they cannot compete with a decent saluki cross for stamina. If they could all the big competition winners would not be saluki crosses. Its not hard to work out really. Deerhound crosses are good looking animals, fast ,and game, but on winter hares given fair slips ,on big land they blow up after a couple of hard courses. On big land a dog needs just enough speed to get to its hare , but the brains to settle behind it till the time is right to go for the strike , but it also requires the wind to stay with it till that moment arrives. Saluki crosses are unequalled for the job. Edited April 18, 2013 by inan 3 Quote Link to post
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Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) As a youth in rural Wales,.I was brought up with Sheepdog/Curs,..mutts and sundry grass vergers,..and we caught, what we caught, by dint of carefully placed nets, snares, canny old jukels, and frequently foul and dirty deeds... THEN,.I came South and saw the Deerhound lurchers....and they were a revelation to me... For several decades these 'types' reigned supreme,..everybody I knew had one, and their rangy physique, and general demeanor, epitomised the traditional look of the lurcher.. Seen some real scrawny rawnies,.but also handled some fabulous specimens, that were chunky, powerful and at such a great height and muscular physique, they were truly awesome canines.... Superb on the big deers,...and the large males could sit a Stag on its arse, but you still had to be quick and nimble.... I kept to the Roe,.. Most of the travellers had these Stags, and it was a fair old while until I saw the Saluki influence start to take over. Back then, as a lamper , I turned down every Saluki type of thing that was offered,..believing them to be unsuitable for my game.. Things have changed... The Saluki types have been out-crossed to Bull bloods and suchlike, and I feel they now offer far more to the night hunter, than they did originally...Obviously the Deerhound lurchers could also be improved upon,.if folk had a mind to.. AS for coursing hares,..well,.when I first saw them killing their hares on the Lambourn downs and similar places,.they twisted well enough, and killed their quarry. Some examples,..(mostly lurcher to lurcher),..as opposed to genuine first crosses, appeared to have more than an adequate strike and pace,..and their feet held up pretty well...however,.things were different then,...everything was different then... Nowadays,..the Saluki influence has changed everything and when it comes to mastering the hare..they are the kiddies.. If I was into that game, I would keep some whiz bang types, kill quick and fill me boots,...but, alas, I favour my first love, the Collie Cur, so it ain't gonna happen...Facts are, it is good to look back at the 1970s and 1980s ,..but it is sensible, to realise what was what, as opposed to gazing romantically and sometimes, inaccurately, through rose coloured specks... Life moves on, eh... Edited April 25, 2013 by CHALKWARREN 12 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Great post Chalks... I would never have ever contemplated Saluki in a lamp dog but my views on the hybrids have changed too and as you said, the Deerhound cross could be improved upon but as Inan put, they have fell out of favour, so who would pick up that mantle...?? Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 times change.i seen a couple run on newark yrs ago travlling fella called price owned em they could kill a winter hare. the prices did seemto have a good un of this type abut them , but they have now gone ova to the desert hounds . atb bunnys. Quote Link to post
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jack68 628 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 here is a an old pick of a bitch my dad had in the 80s, she was a fast bitch and killed a lot of game in her life round were we lived but did not run well on the fen she was to fast for the gound and burnt a lot of energy on the foft ground.. 7 Quote Link to post
blackgreyhound 206 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 jack68. i think lurchers are a bit like race horses some run better on lighter ground some run better on heavier ground.this allways needed to be taken into consideration when running on hares preban .my best dog prefered to run on ground with a bit of give in it .he was very heavy built and could run on any ground but heavier going allowed him to turn easier because of the give in the ground .also its not so damageing on the dogs body.how tall was she and how much did she weigh.? Quote Link to post
davey 310 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 That's a cracking bitch , do you still have line Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 As a youth in rural Wales,.I was brought up with Sheepdog/Curs,..mutts and sundry grass vergers,..and we caught, what we caught, by dint of carefully placed nets, snares, canny old jukels, and frequently foul and dirty deeds... THEN,.I came South and saw the Deerhound lurchers....and they were a revelation to me... For several decades these 'types' reigned supreme,..everybody I knew had one, and their rangy physique, and general demeanor, epitomised the traditional look of the lurcher.. Seen some real scrawny rawnies,.but also handled some fabulous specimens, that were chunky, powerful and at such a great height and muscular physique, they were truly awesome canines.... Superb on the big deers,...and the large males could sit a Stag on its arse, but you still had to be quick and nimble.... I kept to the Roe,.. Most of the travellers had these Stags, and it was a fair old while until I saw the Saluki influence start to take over. Back then, as a lamper , I turned down every Saluki type of thing that was offered,..believing them to be unsuitable for my game.. Things have changed... The Saluki types have been out-crossed to Bull bloods and suchlike, and I feel they now offer far more to the night hunter, than they did originally...Obviously the Deerhound lurchers could also be improved upon,.if folk had a mind to.. AS for coursing hares,..well,.when I first saw them killing their hares on the Lambourn downs and similar places,.they twisted well enough, and killed their quarry. Some examples,..(mostly lurcher to lurcher),..as opposed to genuine first crosses, appeared to have more than an adequate strike and pace,..and their feet held up pretty well...however,.things were different then,...everything was different then... Nowadays,..the Saluki influence has changed everything and when it comes to mastering the hare..they are the kiddies.. If I was into that game, I would keep some whiz bang types, kill quick and fill me boots,...but, alas, I favour my first love, the Collie Cur, so it ain't gonna happen...Facts are, it is good to look back at the 1970s and 1980s ,..but it is sensible, to realise what was what, as opposed to gazing romantically and sometimes, inaccurately, through rose coloured specks... Life moves on, eh... Is that Lucy in the photo P? Quote Link to post
jack68 628 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 she was 25tts mate weight i dont recall she only a small frame jump owt as well,,atb Quote Link to post
blackgreyhound 206 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 jack68.cheers for the info Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Totally agree the saluki hybrid on big land will outdo any x but you'll never confince me to owning one of those sneak eyed hounds hares that's about there forta nothing else but the forley cup winner got beat buy a lamp dog tomo won another comp way a very greyhound based lurcher they are what they are but they never take large game singlehanded not a chance thought the topic was about deerhound x daytime not plodders and sneakheads atb If you are referring to the match I think you are the bitch who came second never won the Forley , she was never entered and the circumstances of that match are not in the public domain,I know them, because a friend of mine has the coursing bitch in question.If you are talking about M B's lamping bitch, the winner, you need to know what occurred that day. Tomo has enough experience and time in the game to know a saluki x is the king when it comes to daytime hares on the fens.One swallow doesn't make a summer. How many Forley Cups, Temple Brewers, Forley Legends, have been won by a deeerhound x greyhound? Answer NONE! What do you mean by large game? Are you referring to" The Monarch Of The Glen the Red stag because they won't take one single handed neither will a deerhound x .Have you seen a deerhound cross do so? If you mean ,Roe Muntie and Chinese, a saluki x wil take them, and it wil do as good a job on fallow as a Deerhound X Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 here is a an old pick of a bitch my dad had in the 80s, she was a fast bitch and killed a lot of game in her life round were we lived but did not run well on the fen she was to fast for the gound and burnt a lot of energy on the foft ground.. Nice compact little powerhouse. Quote Link to post
Guest edrd Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) d e l e t e Edited June 21, 2016 by edrd Quote Link to post
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