Deerhound X Greyhound Hares Preban

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Perhaps some of our American cousins can come on and tell us what they know of the coyote hounds that have been featured in pictures historically right back to General Custer who took his coursing hounds with him on his forays???

[Guest edrd]

I'd say they used for battle killing humans in wars killing big game big mine was a dog killer lol 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[morton 5,368]

 

Perhaps some of our American cousins can come on and tell us what they know of the coyote hounds that have been featured in pictures historically right back to General Custer who took his coursing hounds with him on his forays???

Ill warrant after the injuns dealt with Custers typical American ego,they ate his mutts.Thus the breeding line of workers was no more.

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Google threw this up........http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.co.uk/2005/06/american-coyote-lurchers-old-and-new.html

[morton 5,368]

 

Google threw this up........http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.co.uk/2005/06/american-coyote-lurchers-old-and-new.html

Some useful looking mutts on there,as origin unknown its hard to tell what influenced the working side of the breeding,yet the Deerhound seems evident in their make-up.

[Guest edrd]

good link bolio

[morton 5,368]

 

 

 

I wouldent look anyware else than SCOTLAND myself some people just don't own a computer some are that old they can't txt some are pure well

On paper lol no DNA 10 years ago

People tend to forget that the Deerhound was a Scottish hound to run the open moors and deal with large,fast and quarry little else could come to terms with,sadly id be dubious about any so called pure blood being able to do a quarter of what the original took as the norm.

 

Now i will stand corrected but i believe the deerhound was bred to deal with injured quarry, mainly red deer that had been shot and injured by the early guns of the time which were very inaccurate.

I was actually having a cup of tea with a guy who slipped and judged deerhounds for a few years back in the day. They caught very, very few hares and the ones that did were usually the smaller type of bitches. This was doubled-up too.....

 

I owned an ancient hunting tome years ago,sadly lost,in it were many descriptions of the olde Scottish hunting hounds,very much Deerhoundy types,They were prized as outstandingly game and resolute mutts that could bring a stag to ground,usually in hunting pairs,the ability to run over long distances on unremmiting ground was par for the course with them.Pre black powder days,the dogs were chasing and pulling stags pre-gun.Recent bred Deerhounds are a pale shadow of the original,drinking tea or not,beer is the usual brew of romantic tales.

[Guest edrd]

Ian b is a wank 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Why does everyone think the best to the best will produce the best its just as likekly not to. if you mix blue and yellow you will get various shades of green not half blue and half yellow. it needs a bit more thought :laugh:

 

Because its a fact that overtime it does. When you breed dogs you are gonna be constantly throwing back to the average of all the dogs in the pedigree. Overtime if you continue to keep breeding the best to the best the average of the pedigree keeps improving. Once in a blue moon you are gonna get that good dog. They aint in every litter. Its just no possible but if you keep at it you will eventually get that one. A good dog is where ya find it not the result of some magical one time breeding. You just gotta get lucky.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

 

Dan , its years of selective breeding (good worker to good worker) and the enviroment and quarry you run that has made your dogs of today when you can go and hunt your quarry and not be looking over your shoulder, just concentrating on the hounds ,thats where you have succeeded

And I assume that the staghound types that Dan and his countrymen uses are descended from the original deerhounds brought over by settlers 200 years ago when deerhounds were purely working type rough haired greyhounds bred for ability not show. In the intervening years the yanks have continued to breed for performance....and against bigger, more dangerous quary than anything our dogs have to tackle. Meanwhile the deerhound over here has probably gone in the opposite direction, being mainly selected for a handsome profile, coat type and height. No matter that one or two people have been trying to breed a working type in recent years....the vast majority of breeders have not. Even the deerhound (and saluki) coursing events only involve K.C. registered dogs so they're not competing against best of the best lurchers.

We only have to look at the state of the K.C. show type greyhound and compare this slab sided unco-ordinated monstrosity to even the modern track dog to see that a standard decided by committee can't hope to compete with a standard decided by performance.

 

 

Ya and the thing is the show dogs are nowhere near as good lookin as the dogs used to hunt and catch game. It dont matter what the breed. Look at the show greyhounds compared to a field or even a track greyhound. Like you said they are ugly slab sided sumbitches with narrow chests and just plain disgusting lookin. Deerhounds, whippets the same friggin way. The Saluki is the best though. The show people are so moronic they thought the saluki was supposed to be some thin, no muscled having dog when in fact the reason them dessert dogs actually looked that way was cuz they were friggin starvin to death being fed only when they could be fed. You take them same dogs from over there and feed them and they would have looked like a real fast up and at em coursing type dog.

[Guest edrd]

.culled many a litter lol 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[Hot Meat 3,109]

I was warned in pm you go on and on and talk a lot of crap edrd. Its seems he was right haha give it a rest mate your talking crap with yourself haha

Edited April 22, 2013 by Hot Meat

[Guest edrd]

Big Neil took the lot .

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Why would you need to pm anybody? I bet you've got the blackest cat for miles and miles haha

[Guest edrd]

Yorkshire pudding 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd