Deerhound X Greyhound Hares Preban

[lapin2008 1,587]

 

the only deerhoundsi have seen lately look very weak and skinny .my friend had one in the 1970 era called bess she was very big and very powerfully made .nice wide back on her .i had a deerhoundxgreyhound mid 1990 it was 34 at the shoulder but very skinny for its height and very under powered.in the middle ages the deerhounds we see today would have been put in the bucket at birth .most are useless skinny underpowerd badly bred with low prey drive..if you look at pictures of the original bulldog it looks nothing like the pieces of crap they breed nowdays.the same is true about german shepherds a lot of them walk like they have got desperate dan on thier backs.lots of breeds have been ruined by crufts and oversoft townies .if years ago a border collie was bred and was not up to its job .it recieved piece of lead behind its ear.now days people are breeding out of rosette winners not workers.the deerhound could be restored to its original power and structure by adding mastiff or bull blood blood to beef it back up but the only problem is that it would not take long for the rosettes to bugger it up again.i remember going up to a man walking a underweight deerhound in 1980 at a county show i said do you work it? oh no its to precious.if the pioneers like doberman or von stephanitz were alive today they would not be happy at all.and lord orford would be very pissed off as well.breeding a good derhoundxgreyhound now would be very hard because most deerhounds have not got the required build power or stamina.which is why all i see dxg wise nowdays are skinny roughcoated toilet brushes.i have not seen a powerfully built straight dxg for over 35 years.

 

You dont need to add mastiff and all that sillly shit. I can show you 1000s of pictures of dogs that dont need any wild and crazy schemes to "fix" them and they are damn sure deerhoundy enough lookin.

 

I would have thought the best way to breath life back into the dhx would probably be to get a handfull of stags imported from the US. Providing they come from the right place etc

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

 

 

the only deerhoundsi have seen lately look very weak and skinny .my friend had one in the 1970 era called bess she was very big and very powerfully made .nice wide back on her .i had a deerhoundxgreyhound mid 1990 it was 34 at the shoulder but very skinny for its height and very under powered.in the middle ages the deerhounds we see today would have been put in the bucket at birth .most are useless skinny underpowerd badly bred with low prey drive..if you look at pictures of the original bulldog it looks nothing like the pieces of crap they breed nowdays.the same is true about german shepherds a lot of them walk like they have got desperate dan on thier backs.lots of breeds have been ruined by crufts and oversoft townies .if years ago a border collie was bred and was not up to its job .it recieved piece of lead behind its ear.now days people are breeding out of rosette winners not workers.the deerhound could be restored to its original power and structure by adding mastiff or bull blood blood to beef it back up but the only problem is that it would not take long for the rosettes to bugger it up again.i remember going up to a man walking a underweight deerhound in 1980 at a county show i said do you work it? oh no its to precious.if the pioneers like doberman or von stephanitz were alive today they would not be happy at all.and lord orford would be very pissed off as well.breeding a good derhoundxgreyhound now would be very hard because most deerhounds have not got the required build power or stamina.which is why all i see dxg wise nowdays are skinny roughcoated toilet brushes.i have not seen a powerfully built straight dxg for over 35 years.

 

You dont need to add mastiff and all that sillly shit. I can show you 1000s of pictures of dogs that dont need any wild and crazy schemes to "fix" them and they are damn sure deerhoundy enough lookin.

 

I would have thought the best way to breath life back into the dhx would probably be to get a handfull of stags imported from the US. Providing they come from the right place etc

 

You are probably right but yall got the dogs over there to do it too. But one like this wouldnt hurt anybodys breeding program at all if you was lookin to catch big stuff. Only problem is he got too much of his daddy in him an dont give two shits bout nothin but a coyote.

[lapin2008 1,587]

 

 

 

the only deerhoundsi have seen lately look very weak and skinny .my friend had one in the 1970 era called bess she was very big and very powerfully made .nice wide back on her .i had a deerhoundxgreyhound mid 1990 it was 34 at the shoulder but very skinny for its height and very under powered.in the middle ages the deerhounds we see today would have been put in the bucket at birth .most are useless skinny underpowerd badly bred with low prey drive..if you look at pictures of the original bulldog it looks nothing like the pieces of crap they breed nowdays.the same is true about german shepherds a lot of them walk like they have got desperate dan on thier backs.lots of breeds have been ruined by crufts and oversoft townies .if years ago a border collie was bred and was not up to its job .it recieved piece of lead behind its ear.now days people are breeding out of rosette winners not workers.the deerhound could be restored to its original power and structure by adding mastiff or bull blood blood to beef it back up but the only problem is that it would not take long for the rosettes to bugger it up again.i remember going up to a man walking a underweight deerhound in 1980 at a county show i said do you work it? oh no its to precious.if the pioneers like doberman or von stephanitz were alive today they would not be happy at all.and lord orford would be very pissed off as well.breeding a good derhoundxgreyhound now would be very hard because most deerhounds have not got the required build power or stamina.which is why all i see dxg wise nowdays are skinny roughcoated toilet brushes.i have not seen a powerfully built straight dxg for over 35 years.

 

You dont need to add mastiff and all that sillly shit. I can show you 1000s of pictures of dogs that dont need any wild and crazy schemes to "fix" them and they are damn sure deerhoundy enough lookin.

 

I would have thought the best way to breath life back into the dhx would probably be to get a handfull of stags imported from the US. Providing they come from the right place etc

 

You are probably right but yall got the dogs over there to do it too. But one like this wouldnt hurt anybodys breeding program at all if you was lookin to catch big stuff. Only problem is he got too much of his daddy in him an dont give two shits bout nothin but a coyote.

 

I know we already have everything that would be needed, just more as a short cut if there are dogs being tested better over the pond to speed things..

[Guest edrd]

both nice dogs nice height for a bitch dan

[morton 5,368]

i have seen some really good dxg on hares preban.they are very fast strong and have great stamina .good ones are faster than sxg top end .they are bigger more powerful with good stamina and good ones are very fast ..so why are there not very many about now days ?

The truth is there are still plenty of Deerhoundy lurchers about,some owners never went down the route of needing to compete with all and sundry as a reason to own and run a dog.A saluki hybrid is a far more useful mutt at running Hares,on certain land,thats about when its superiority over a Deerhoundy hybrid finishes.The lurcher to some of us is not a dog that needs to compete and make a name for the owner,a dog that requires some fabled breeding before it will be accepted.Many want a dog that will cover a multitude of disciplines,over the best and worst of ground,kill a few and miss some,day in,night out,season after season.Obviously there will be many Saluki based lurchers that will also do all this,but as the Saluki is the ultimate dog on long gallops on certain land,the ultimate as an allrouder is often the Deerhoundy based one.

[bendrover 556]

Dan , its years of selective breeding (good worker to good worker) and the enviroment and quarry you run that has made your dogs of today when you can go and hunt your quarry and not be looking over your shoulder, just concentrating on the hounds ,thats where you have succeeded

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Guy I lamp with had a three quater grey an quater deer a couple a years ago. It ended up 33 ats an 100 lb + haha. It worked well catching bunnys with ease at seven/eight months an was well up for it. When fully grown it couldn't turn for shit unless it was on the softest of land. Would have been a far better dog if it stsyed at twenty eight ish I think. Its in the haopy huntingg ground in the sky now. A register of somesort on the dogs worth breeding off would soon improve the breed. Too many folks wannza own this type but not many want to give them graft they need.

[Bosun11 537]

I honestly do think Dan is 100% on the money here, because if you are all lookin at his dogs with admiration right now, you just got to remember that he is constantly saying Deerhoundy an NOT Deerhound...

 

Stop lookin at these big Caledonian beauties with a nostalgic tear in your eye, handsome is as handsome does..!!!

 

No need to fetch one over either, they are here, just big fast Deerhoundy lurchers.... Put best to best and you'll be doing it right. No need to worry about whats really in its background, only questions should be, is it big, fast and really doin the job..??

 

To be honest, best off if it comes with sommat else way down the track in its make up, because most of the best lurchers do...

 

 

 

If folk stopped worrying about mathematical fractions in their Lurchers and cared more about performance we would all have the dogs we would really want to own...!!

 

[paulus 26]

Why does everyone think the best to the best will produce the best its just as likekly not to. if you mix blue and yellow you will get various shades of green not half blue and half yellow. it needs a bit more thought :laugh:

[Bosun11 537]

While I understand what your saying Paul and in many ways agree with you, there is a fine line between more thought and far too much! If you want to keep it easy, just stick the good to good, it wont all turn out but I'd sooner take a pup from background driven by performance rather than thought.. Finding sommat that comes from a background of both is as rare as rocking horse shite!

[paulus 26]

While I understand what your saying Paul and in many ways agree with you, there is a fine line between more thought and far too much! If you want to keep it easy, just stick the good to good, it wont all turn out but I'd sooner take a pup from background driven by performance rather than thought.. Finding sommat that comes from a background of both is as rare as rocking horse shite!

it takes time, thought, some more thought and a dash of luck but it can be done, to me the saying "best to the best", is no different to "if in doubt use a greyhound" both are as mad as each other

[Guest edrd]

Telling youse fuckall 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[Guest edrd]

Dog killer lol 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd

[BOLIO1 1,078]

Dan , its years of selective breeding (good worker to good worker) and the enviroment and quarry you run that has made your dogs of today when you can go and hunt your quarry and not be looking over your shoulder, just concentrating on the hounds ,thats where you have succeeded

And I assume that the staghound types that Dan and his countrymen uses are descended from the original deerhounds brought over by settlers 200 years ago when deerhounds were purely working type rough haired greyhounds bred for ability not show. In the intervening years the yanks have continued to breed for performance....and against bigger, more dangerous quary than anything our dogs have to tackle. Meanwhile the deerhound over here has probably gone in the opposite direction, being mainly selected for a handsome profile, coat type and height. No matter that one or two people have been trying to breed a working type in recent years....the vast majority of breeders have not. Even the deerhound (and saluki) coursing events only involve K.C. registered dogs so they're not competing against best of the best lurchers.

We only have to look at the state of the K.C. show type greyhound and compare this slab sided unco-ordinated monstrosity to even the modern track dog to see that a standard decided by committee can't hope to compete with a standard decided by performance.

[Guest edrd]

Don't work cull the c**ts 

Edited November 4, 2017 by edrd