gnasher16 30,060 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Sod that...............im all for testing myself but i think id rather not know with that one ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 If i still had my wits about me after the initial blast i would offer my assistance to the emergency services,but i wouldnt go touching injured folk.was always under the impression you were meant to leave them.unless of course you know what youre doing,and i dont lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scroat 62 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 talking of helping people.seen some cxxt convicted there of stealing some old womans handbag after a car crash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I think if it came down to a situation like that, only people who had trained for such emergencies would know what they would do. They would have trained and trained, then when something like that happened, the training would take over instinctively. For the rest of us, I'm sure we would all behave differently. I honestly don't know what I'd do, and I'm sure those people didn't know what they had done until a good few hours later when the shock had subsided. The whole idea of being in a situation like that doesn't bear contemplating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Should events like this not be captured in picture it makes finding the truth that bit harder. Some might call it the greater good........ Pictures of the scene i can half understand.................but a picture taken specifically of 1 person lying with limbs hanging off.............i cant understand that. I don't get that either. I saw the pictures too, some were horrible. Why take a picture of a guy with both legs blown off?? That's crossing the line (no pun intended). And then selling those images on to the press etc?? c**ts trick. Imagine them being asked by their grand children in years to come "were you in the Boston bombings?" "Yes i was, but all i did was stand around taking photographs while people laid all around me screaming in pain with various wounds ranging from cuts and bruises to limbs missing to people dead"........they should be so proud of their actions extreme situations define a man or a woman. If you stand around taking photos then that tells everyone else all they need to know about your true character Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I think if it came down to a situation like that, only people who had trained for such emergencies would know what they would do. They would have trained and trained, then when something like that happened, the training would take over instinctively. For the rest of us, I'm sure we would all behave differently. I honestly don't know what I'd do, and I'm sure those people didn't know what they had done until a good few hours later when the shock had subsided. The whole idea of being in a situation like that doesn't bear contemplating. Remember my Dad telling me about one day when he was heading to work...a guy overtook the car he was travelling in and at the next bend crashed and rolled of the road. He and the other folk got out and went to help....someone went to phone for an ambulance. He said the guy was in a bad way, burst up and blood everywhere. They made him comfortable before the ambulance go there then he headed to work. A wee bit later he had to go and sit in the office......someone trained in first aid pointed out it might be a bit shock and he ended up sleeping for about 3 hours or so...........amazing how adrenaline take over your body in certain situations... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Should events like this not be captured in picture it makes finding the truth that bit harder. Some might call it the greater good........ Pictures of the scene i can half understand.................but a picture taken specifically of 1 person lying with limbs hanging off.............i cant understand that. I don't get that either. I saw the pictures too, some were horrible. Why take a picture of a guy with both legs blown off?? That's crossing the line (no pun intended). And then selling those images on to the press etc?? c**ts trick. Imagine them being asked by their grand children in years to come "were you in the Boston bombings?" "Yes i was, but all i did was stand around taking photographs while people laid all around me screaming in pain with various wounds ranging from cuts and bruises to limbs missing to people dead"........they should be so proud of their actions extreme situations define a man or a woman. If you stand around taking photos then that tells everyone else all they need to know about your true character Whoa hold on, how do you know the phtotographer/s didn't go straight up to a uniform and ask "what can I do?" And get told "clear the area, get away, let us deal with this!"..........................??? Everyone is judging these photographers, but no bugger has a clue what went on there. They're photographers/journalists and if they can't help they are gonna record everything they can. I see no problem with that personaly. A photo of a severly injured victim is a very emotive and descriptive image as an historical record of the event. It's the truth of what happened in it's most raw. Like with the 9/11 attacks, often the most emotive image and one that best conveys the feeling of the events is the one of the falling man. In my opinion such images are important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Should events like this not be captured in picture it makes finding the truth that bit harder. Some might call it the greater good........ Pictures of the scene i can half understand.................but a picture taken specifically of 1 person lying with limbs hanging off.............i cant understand that. I don't get that either. I saw the pictures too, some were horrible. Why take a picture of a guy with both legs blown off?? That's crossing the line (no pun intended). And then selling those images on to the press etc?? c**ts trick. Imagine them being asked by their grand children in years to come "were you in the Boston bombings?" "Yes i was, but all i did was stand around taking photographs while people laid all around me screaming in pain with various wounds ranging from cuts and bruises to limbs missing to people dead"........they should be so proud of their actions extreme situations define a man or a woman. If you stand around taking photos then that tells everyone else all they need to know about your true character Whoa hold on, how do you know the phtotographer/s didn't go straight up to a uniform and ask "what can I do?" And get told "clear the area, get away, let us deal with this!"..........................??? Everyone is judging these photographers, but no bugger has a clue what went on there. They're photographers/journalists and if they can't help they are gonna record everything they can. I see no problem with that personaly. A photo of a severly injured victim is a very emotive and descriptive image as an historical record of the event. It's the truth of what happened in it's most raw. Like with the 9/11 attacks, often the most emotive image and one that best conveys the feeling of the events is the one of the falling man. In my opinion such images are important. Think theres a big difference from a professional photographer and a member of the public taking snaps. I had a few videos when i was younger of car crashes at racing events ( yes yes sad i know) and there was a F1 car that came of the road and headed straight towards the cameraman who dropped the camera and legged it. He was sacked... . When its your job to get footage its a different story..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 It's a sign of the times - most people have a mobile phone with a camera these days, its an automatic reaction to whip it out and film whatever's happening with a lot of people, the younger generation especially. I dare say most of those who stand there filming do so because they can see other people helping out. I bet the images and pictures you'd get from a situation like this now come in very handy to those investigating it. Just look back to 9/11 and the images from that fateful day.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 its this day and age for media footage and wannbe celebrities we all have to accept it.might not like it and question the morals but we also have to admit some images have changed the world! If there intention by filming it is it to get more hits on some shitty jewtube channel then id say thats pretty sad,but we always hear appeals from the police asking for footage after such incidents.maybe some folk think they are helping. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Personally Lab I don't see a difference, amateur or professional.............. you are still faced with the moral dilema between helping if you can, saving your own bollocks or using your camera to record what is a extremely tragic yet historic incident. I mean, something like that could be a key point in human history............... a terror attack that led to a landmark change in law or the invasion of a foreign state. Pictures of the event tell you more than any post traumatic eye witness reports could and in years to come will be studied by historians to evaluate world events. My only point is that in my opinion there's a bit more to this than 'why the f**k are these people taking pictures'. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,060 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 A photo of a severly injured victim is a very emotive and descriptive image as an historical record of the event. It's the truth of what happened in it's most raw. Like with the 9/11 attacks, often the most emotive image and one that best conveys the feeling of the events is the one of the falling man. In my opinion such images are important. Cant agree with that mate............the falling man picture is a poor comparison in my opinion......there was nothing the person taking the picture could do for that man.............the pictures we are talking about here were taken a few feet away......i dont know about you but i know i couldnt look down at a man screaming in agony and take his picture .....Professional or not ......Thats not professionalism thats just a cold heart in my book. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 It's a sign of the times - most people have a mobile phone with a camera these days, its an automatic reaction to whip it out and film whatever's happening with a lot of people, the younger generation especially. I dare say most of those who stand there filming do so because they can see other people helping out. I bet the images and pictures you'd get from a situation like this now come in very handy to those investigating it. Just look back to 9/11 and the images from that fateful day.. There's some physcology behind that Malt. Something to do with individuals in large groups naturally being less reactive to extreme events than if on there own or in smaller groups. As a rule humans tend to do nothing and wander around like clueless sheep looking at each other in traumatic situations............... I imagine that's taken a step further when seeing people that are clear and decisive in their actions doing something, a kinda 'I don't want to get in the way of these people that are in control and seem to know what they are doing' defaulting attitude. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 A photo of a severly injured victim is a very emotive and descriptive image as an historical record of the event. It's the truth of what happened in it's most raw. Like with the 9/11 attacks, often the most emotive image and one that best conveys the feeling of the events is the one of the falling man. In my opinion such images are important. Cant agree with that mate............the falling man picture is a poor comparison in my opinion......there was nothing the person taking the picture could do for that man.............the pictures we are talking about here were taken a few feet away......i dont know about you but i know i couldnt look down at a man screaming in agony and take his picture .....Professional or not ......Thats not professionalism thats just a cold heart in my book. It wasn't a comparison Gnash, just an example of how these type of images are the most emotive and the ones remembered with such events. I was just trying to give an example of the importance of such images for historical reasons. In 100 years an image like that will tell our children's children's children (etc) more about the event than any amount of written reports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Personally Lab I don't see a difference, amateur or professional.............. you are still faced with the moral dilema between helping if you can, saving your own bollocks or using your camera to record what is a extremely tragic yet historic incident. I mean, something like that could be a key point in human history............... a terror attack that led to a landmark change in law or the invasion of a foreign state. Pictures of the event tell you more than any post traumatic eye witness reports could and in years to come will be studied by historians to evaluate world events. My only point is that in my opinion there's a bit more to this than 'why the f**k are these people taking pictures'. Well i'm going to stick to my guns and say a professional photographer there on the day to perform a job is different to some member of the public with there phone out. As guys like Socks is trained to help people in distress when others are struggling to cope a photographers mind set is to get photos of the event. Dont get me wrong i'm sure on the day they would have been told numerous times in not so polite terms to put down the camera and help but again i think there mind set would be top get snaps..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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