.22Wmr +.17Hmr

[Deker 3,478]

"All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry."

 

i have also owned a hmr and had very inconsistant performances with it aswell as owning a mach 2 and as dixy is someone i shoot with you are right he is a good shot which you would expect from someone who shoots more than 30 hours a week so you are right he is "better than you", and if youthink the .22lr drops 14" at 120 then thats exactly why you are missing them at that range, the bullets that were jammed in the gun from cycling the round then taking it out and the round is stuck in the chamber, the other blockage was a round had fired but did not leave the barrel and become lodged aprox 6 inches from crown.

the .17 sat on a windless range on bipod shooting paper out to 200yards is fine if you get a decent batch of ammo but if you do that you must live on the moon pal and obv not done much real shooting the hmr at 100 yards with the slightest bit of wind is moving a hell of a lot . also the hmr for the ammount of shooting we do is not financially sound for instance 50 rabbits on a fri day night with the hmr shooting approx 65 rounds is costing approx £20 the .22lr £5 max so someone like your self who only shoots once in a blue moon then fair enough but someone who shoots several nights a week awell as several hours on a range for reliability, accuracy and afffordabillaty the 22lr wins hand down , the hmr is an american round for shooting ground dogs in desert with no wind sat at a table , thats not hunting pal thats just killing!!!!!!!!!!

next time you choose to post please think before spouting s**t you clearly know feck all

 

Why do people keep bringing wind drift into the debate about HMR, .22lr and .22WMR are both worse!

 

You guys can debate all you want but you don't buy a rifle on finances, you buy it to do a job, if you can do this with .22lr saving money as you say, then you simply do not need a HMR!

Edited April 18, 2013 by Deker

[roe-buck 63]

Just knock it on the head and get a .22 Hornet a very neglected ,versatile round.Reloadable to your requirements and your not at the mercy and vagaries of ammunition manufacturers,most of whom haven't a clue of the requirements of British shooters.

Edited April 18, 2013 by roe-buck

[kev1986 0]

the .22lr if you put the practice in will do the job of a hmr so like deker said there no need for hmr , the .22 hornet is a cracking round especially for fox out to 200 as the little balistic tip dumps it energy on impact just right taking no prisoners i.e the .17hmr dumps energy to early in my opinion and fragments as soon as contact is made therefore wounding and not drpping the target, were as hornet needs to hit some solid bone then stops them in the tracks maybe a bit over kill for bunnies if they are to be ate but for just out n out vermin control it is a great caliber only down side is factory ammo so reloading is a must

[charlie caller 3,654]

the .22lr if you put the practice in will do the job of a hmr so like deker said there no need for hmr , the .22 hornet is a cracking round especially for fox out to 200 as the little balistic tip dumps it energy on impact just right taking no prisoners i.e the .17hmr dumps energy to early in my opinion and fragments as soon as contact is made therefore wounding and not drpping the target, were as hornet needs to hit some solid bone then stops them in the tracks maybe a bit over kill for bunnies if they are to be ate but for just out n out vermin control it is a great caliber only down side is factory ammo so reloading is a must

Spot on mate,I started using the Sierra 45gn varminter,I found that on rabbits the round passed through,without too much damage,but on foxes it expanded nicely, dropping them on the spot,and although initialy not as fast as the 35gn vmax,it retained its energy much better at 150 yards plus,if using vmax head shots on bunnies are a must, if you want to eat them,but yes a belting little round and I totally agree reloading is essential with a hornet.

[superdan 0]

Your facts,figures,statistics,links, opinions,experiance and time are gratefully appreciated guys, thankyou.

[dadioles 68]

the .22lr if you put the practice in will do the job of a hmr so like deker said there no need for hmr , the .22 hornet is a cracking round especially for fox out to 200 as the little balistic tip dumps it energy on impact just right taking no prisoners i.e the .17hmr dumps energy to early in my opinion and fragments as soon as contact is made therefore wounding and not drpping the target, were as hornet needs to hit some solid bone then stops them in the tracks maybe a bit over kill for bunnies if they are to be ate but for just out n out vermin control it is a great caliber only down side is factory ammo so reloading is a must

 

Wow..... Sorry kev1986 but you are talking out of your bottom and I sincerely hope that novices just coming into shooting are able to see that what you say is nonsense and misleading. The .22lr and .17hmr are quite different and compliment each other. Basically the .22lr is quiet and good from 10 yards to 75 yards and the .17hmr is rather noisier but shoots brilliantly from 50 yards to 130 yards. I don't care how much you practice. They are different guns for different jobs. No way can a .22lr do the job of a .17hmr. or vice versa. There is a big overlap in capability but they both have their place.

 

Forget foxes. Neither .22lr or .17hmr are really foxing rounds. Ok for occasional short range "opportunistic" fox but that is about it. I understand that many police forces will not allow their use for fox.

 

Broadly speaking the .22lr and .17hmr in UK are perfect for shooting rabbits.

 

The .22lr is nice and quiet (relatively speaking) and very accurate to about 60 yards where groups start to open up significantly. That is down to the ammunition, you cannot avoid it. A fair bit of skill is required to shoot it accurately even at about 75 yards and you need to be able to judge the distance precisely as there will be a couple of inches of holdover at that distance and dropping like a stone. At longer distances the bullet is not travelling fast enough to mushroom so the wound channel is limited, minimal meat damage but accurate shot placement is important.

 

The .17hmr takes over where the .22lr finishes. It is significantly noisier but perfectly acceptable unless night shooting near populated areas. The velocity of the bullet and its almost explosive fragmentation mean that head shots or upper chest shots are essential to avoid meat damage, the saddle and rear legs are the best anyway, there is very little meat on the front legs. If simply culling, a body shot even at 100 yards can turn a small rabbit inside out.

The .17hmr is not really suited to short range (less than 50 yards) as it is too powerful. This is .22lr territory.

The .17hmr comes into its own from about 60 yards and with a 100 yard zero even a novice will shoot it almost bullet on bullet and head shots on rabbits at 125 yards are perfectly repeatable with a good bipod and a steady hand. The ammunition is reliable and tight groups easily obtained.

 

Obviously I have generalised enormously, of course the .22lr in the right circumstances with a skilled shooter can kill rabbits at 100 yards, but the odds are against it. Similarly the .17hmr can be used at 10 yards, but it will be rather devastating.

My choice is for .22lr at night and for locations where 50 yards is the sort of distance I expect most of my shooting to be done, I am zeroed at 50 yards and know that I am accurate from 20 yards to yards.

The .17hmr is the gun I take during daylight hours where noise will not be an issue and with a 100 yard zero I am accurate from 20 yards to 130 yards after which I have trouble holding the gun steady enough for head shots.

 

I rather cringe when I hear people talk about shooting animals at extended ranges. It may be good for their ego but the chance of wounding is too great, do they care? probably not.

 

I liked the comment by one contributor who said something like....

Set up a target and see how far you can shoot and still get ALL your bullets to group within about half an inch. That should be your maximum range for shooting rabbits.

[rimmer 33]

 

the .22lr if you put the practice in will do the job of a hmr so like deker said there no need for hmr , the .22 hornet is a cracking round especially for fox out to 200 as the little balistic tip dumps it energy on impact just right taking no prisoners i.e the .17hmr dumps energy to early in my opinion and fragments as soon as contact is made therefore wounding and not drpping the target, were as hornet needs to hit some solid bone then stops them in the tracks maybe a bit over kill for bunnies if they are to be ate but for just out n out vermin control it is a great caliber only down side is factory ammo so reloading is a must

 

Wow..... Sorry kev1986 but you are talking out of your bottom and I sincerely hope that novices just coming into shooting are able to see that what you say is nonsense and misleading. The .22lr and .17hmr are quite different and compliment each other. Basically the .22lr is quiet and good from 10 yards to 75 yards and the .17hmr is rather noisier but shoots brilliantly from 50 yards to 130 yards. I don't care how much you practice. They are different guns for different jobs. No way can a .22lr do the job of a .17hmr. or vice versa. There is a big overlap in capability but they both have their place.

 

Forget foxes. Neither .22lr or .17hmr are really foxing rounds. Ok for occasional short range "opportunistic" fox but that is about it. I understand that many police forces will not allow their use for fox.

 

Broadly speaking the .22lr and .17hmr in UK are perfect for shooting rabbits.

 

The .22lr is nice and quiet (relatively speaking) and very accurate to about 60 yards where groups start to open up significantly. That is down to the ammunition, you cannot avoid it. A fair bit of skill is required to shoot it accurately even at about 75 yards and you need to be able to judge the distance precisely as there will be a couple of inches of holdover at that distance and dropping like a stone. At longer distances the bullet is not travelling fast enough to mushroom so the wound channel is limited, minimal meat damage but accurate shot placement is important.

 

The .17hmr takes over where the .22lr finishes. It is significantly noisier but perfectly acceptable unless night shooting near populated areas. The velocity of the bullet and its almost explosive fragmentation mean that head shots or upper chest shots are essential to avoid meat damage, the saddle and rear legs are the best anyway, there is very little meat on the front legs. If simply culling, a body shot even at 100 yards can turn a small rabbit inside out.

The .17hmr is not really suited to short range (less than 50 yards) as it is too powerful. This is .22lr territory.

The .17hmr comes into its own from about 60 yards and with a 100 yard zero even a novice will shoot it almost bullet on bullet and head shots on rabbits at 125 yards are perfectly repeatable with a good bipod and a steady hand. The ammunition is reliable and tight groups easily obtained.

 

Obviously I have generalised enormously, of course the .22lr in the right circumstances with a skilled shooter can kill rabbits at 100 yards, but the odds are against it. Similarly the .17hmr can be used at 10 yards, but it will be rather devastating.

My choice is for .22lr at night and for locations where 50 yards is the sort of distance I expect most of my shooting to be done, I am zeroed at 50 yards and know that I am accurate from 20 yards to yards.

The .17hmr is the gun I take during daylight hours where noise will not be an issue and with a 100 yard zero I am accurate from 20 yards to 130 yards after which I have trouble holding the gun steady enough for head shots.

 

I rather cringe when I hear people talk about shooting animals at extended ranges. It may be good for their ego but the chance of wounding is too great, do they care? probably not.

 

I liked the comment by one contributor who said something like....

Set up a target and see how far you can shoot and still get ALL your bullets to group within about half an inch. That should be your maximum range for shooting rabbits.

 

Two points is all cos i dont want go through all the bits you got wrong there, i just dont have time to enter into along winded argument.

Firstly a 100yrd rabbit with a .22lr is a relatively easy shot, i shot them way past that on a regular basis my scope is zero`d to 75 and i take them oftern to 150 and 170yrds. its not hard and if you can shoot a half inch group at 50yrds you can easy shoot rabbits past 100yrds.

Secondly, max distance you can shoot a half inch group should be you max for rabbits!!!! B***ocks, sort of sums up that statement.

[Deker 3,478]

 

Two points is all cos i dont want go through all the bits you got wrong there, i just dont have time to enter into along winded argument.

 

 

Firstly a 100yrd rabbit with a .22lr is a relatively easy shot, i shot them way past that on a regular basis my scope is zero`d to 75 and i take them oftern to 150 and 170yrds. its not hard and if you can shoot a half inch group at 50yrds you can easy shoot rabbits past 100yrds.

Secondly, max distance you can shoot a half inch group should be you max for rabbits!!!! B***ocks, sort of sums up that statement.

 

 

 

[rimmer 33]

I take it thats a disagreement Deker ?

[roe-buck 63]

I used to set my .22lr for 50yds with a duplex reticule and found with standard ammo I was bang on at 100yds if I used the tip of the lower thick post as the aim rather than the center of the reticule.If you see what I'm saying?

Edited April 23, 2013 by roe-buck

[rimmer 33]

Yep that sounds about right.