.22Wmr +.17Hmr

[roe-buck 63]

I've had 3 .22 Magnums a bolt action Marlin,which was rather clunky and basic.Then a Heckler and Koch semi-auto that was a lovely rifle and very useful tool.Then I had a Ruger bolt action , only seemed to like 50 gn Federals though!I only ever used them on Fox when out Rabbit Lamping if I saw one.My "Proper" Fox rifle was a Ruger 22-250 ,which was also my Roe rifle for Scotland trips.That was the best gun for Roe or Fox I have personally owned,The DB'S!Good pics by the way.

[rimmer 33]

 

I had never realised the two rounds where so close together. but i must admit i was surprised to see that the WMR regained its composure after 200 and held its energy at about 20 or so ftlbs more than the HMR. doing a comparison an interesting point is that the .22lr carries more energy than the HMR after 220yrd, not that you would be shooting a 22lr that far, interesting though

 

I have no idea of any .22lr, HMR or WMR figures over 200 yards and as you say they should be of no practical use to anyone, but out of interest what is your source of this information?

I have used two sources the first is the ammo manufacturers stats, aware that these can sometimes be inflated i tend to take an avarage of 3 or 4 which i then normally put in to my own ballistic programme, or i will use info that i have gathered on my own ammo through the chrony. But this was mainly taken from the federal catalog, it is good for comparison, even if they do inflate things a little it all works equally and comparisons are fairly accurate.

[slipper 116]

hi, i,m thinking of selling my hmr because it is no good in the wind, and i like to go lamping when it,s windy for obvious reasons,

Been thinking about the wmr, so just to clear things up is the wmr more prone to wind drift than the hmr? also the hmr needs cleaning quite often, is this the case with the wmr?

I need something that is ok in windy conditions, and is,nt such a pain to keep accurate

[Deker 3,478]

hi, i,m thinking of selling my hmr because it is no good in the wind, and i like to go lamping when it,s windy for obvious reasons,

Been thinking about the wmr, so just to clear things up is the wmr more prone to wind drift than the hmr? also the hmr needs cleaning quite often, is this the case with the wmr?

I need something that is ok in windy conditions, and is,nt such a pain to keep accurate

 

See what Mr Federal says.....................

 

Tick the compare boxes of the HMR/WMR you want then hit the wind drift arrow.

 

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

 

...and see the WMR is worse in all cases!

Edited April 17, 2013 by Deker

[dadioles 68]

See what Mr Federal says.....................

 

Tick the compare boxes of the HMR/WMR you want then hit the wind drift arrow.

 

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

 

...and see the WMR is worse in all cases!

 

Thanks for that link Dekers, I had not seen it before and it is simple and revealing.

I do get fed up with people slagging off the .17hmr and repeating the same old drivel about being blown around in the wind.

Wind affects the .17hmr about half as much as either the .22LR or the .22WMR

Take a look at the graph for Trajectory on that site comparing the three rounds - they say it is a 100 yard zero but clearly it is a 50 yard zero or is my brain fogging up?

[dixyhmr 62]

Ive had 3 hmrs but now I no longer have any and have no intentions to buy another.

 

Ive seen 2 different rounds lodged in 2 different barrels.

 

The round has too many issues for me and im fed up of its inconsistency and in-accuracy, hence I am looking into a new caliber to fill the hmrs empty shoes.

 

Im still thinking of the wmr or the hornet. Personally the hmr has put me off .17 calibres altogether.

 

In the meantime the .22 ticks along nicely out to 120 ish yards if i do my bit

[rimmer 33]

all rimfire ammo is dirty, its just a fact of life.

[dadioles 68]

Ive had 3 hmrs but now I no longer have any and have no intentions to buy another.

 

Ive seen 2 different rounds lodged in 2 different barrels.

 

The round has too many issues for me and im fed up of its inconsistency and in-accuracy, hence I am looking into a new caliber to fill the hmrs empty shoes.

 

Im still thinking of the wmr or the hornet. Personally the hmr has put me off .17 calibres altogether.

 

In the meantime the .22 ticks along nicely out to 120 ish yards if i do my bit

 

All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry.

[dixyhmr 62]

 

Ive had 3 hmrs but now I no longer have any and have no intentions to buy another.

 

Ive seen 2 different rounds lodged in 2 different barrels.

 

The round has too many issues for me and im fed up of its inconsistency and in-accuracy, hence I am looking into a new caliber to fill the hmrs empty shoes.

 

Im still thinking of the wmr or the hornet. Personally the hmr has put me off .17 calibres altogether.

 

In the meantime the .22 ticks along nicely out to 120 ish yards if i do my bit

 

All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry.

Sorry mate. your right, im wrong, guess it must all be "sour grapes"and "gossip" and the fact that im a" problem" with" no respect for my quarry" after all. Cheers for clearing that up for me.

Please accept my apology for giving an honest truthful unbiased opinion on an open forum.

Ive been here for quite a few years and ive just remembered why I dont post much...................

[rimmer 33]

 

 

Ive had 3 hmrs but now I no longer have any and have no intentions to buy another.

 

Ive seen 2 different rounds lodged in 2 different barrels.

 

The round has too many issues for me and im fed up of its inconsistency and in-accuracy, hence I am looking into a new caliber to fill the hmrs empty shoes.

 

Im still thinking of the wmr or the hornet. Personally the hmr has put me off .17 calibres altogether.

 

In the meantime the .22 ticks along nicely out to 120 ish yards if i do my bit

 

All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry.

Sorry mate. your right, im wrong, guess it must all be "sour grapes"and "gossip" and the fact that im a" problem" with" no respect for my quarry" after all. Cheers for clearing that up for me.

Please accept my apology for giving an honest truthful unbiased opinion on an open forum.

Ive been here for quite a few years and ive just remembered why I dont post much...................

Respect !!!!!!

[kev1986 0]

"All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry."

 

i have also owned a hmr and had very inconsistant performances with it aswell as owning a mach 2 and as dixy is someone i shoot with you are right he is a good shot which you would expect from someone who shoots more than 30 hours a week so you are right he is "better than you", and if youthink the .22lr drops 14" at 120 then thats exactly why you are missing them at that range, the bullets that were jammed in the gun from cycling the round then taking it out and the round is stuck in the chamber, the other blockage was a round had fired but did not leave the barrel and become lodged aprox 6 inches from crown.

the .17 sat on a windless range on bipod shooting paper out to 200yards is fine if you get a decent batch of ammo but if you do that you must live on the moon pal and obv not done much real shooting the hmr at 100 yards with the slightest bit of wind is moving a hell of a lot . also the hmr for the ammount of shooting we do is not financially sound for instance 50 rabbits on a fri day night with the hmr shooting approx 65 rounds is costing approx £20 the .22lr £5 max so someone like your self who only shoots once in a blue moon then fair enough but someone who shoots several nights a week awell as several hours on a range for reliability, accuracy and afffordabillaty the 22lr wins hand down , the hmr is an american round for shooting ground dogs in desert with no wind sat at a table , thats not hunting pal thats just killing!!!!!!!!!!

next time you choose to post please think before spouting s**t you clearly know feck all

Edited April 17, 2013 by kev1986

[dixyhmr 62]

Hi mate, aye, hmr can be accurate as you know with some of my previous rifles including match grade weirach specials.

 

Its not the rifles that arent accurate. Ive shot some some really nice groups with hmr rifles ive owned as youve witnessed ! the problems are more concerned with the inherrant faults in the manufacturing process of the ammunition which is very inconsistent ive found in my own experience over the years, sometimes even in the same batch number of identical ammo.Also in this country I feel it doesent fit into the same niche as it does in the US as youve outlined in your previous post.

 

Perhaps the most accurate rifle ive owned ( and recently sold ) recently sold was a cz. lovely accurate gun, but again variances in the ammunition loadings lead to bullets going astray occasionaly and causing "wounding" instead of humane one shot kills as one would prefer and due to this as ive chose to pursue a different avenue.

 

Im not criticising anyone who owns or is intending to own a hmr rifle. I sincerely hope that their experiences will be different to mine. It seems that one persons experiences and opinions of the hmr caliber can all depend of if theyve had any bad ammo or not and differ vastly. There is enough evidence out there to suggest that the hmr does have issues that need attention and i expect that people will make their own mind up if they wish to use / purchase one or not.

 

All I offer is my honest opinion, gained from my own experiences. Nothing more, Nothing less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[dadioles 68]

"All I can say is that is quite the opposite to my own experience with the .17hmr.

To have had three bad guns.... the only common denominator is you (sorry), maybe you are the problem.

When you say you have seen 2 different rounds lodged in two different barrels I assume you mean your own guns. I further assume that you mean the bullet partially detonated and travelled a short way down the barrel leaving the bullet in the barrel after the shell casing was ejected. Or do you mean the casing stuck in the chamber and was difficult to eject?

Without clear facts this just sounds like gossip and sour grapes.

You are obviously a better shot than me with a .22lr, I bought the .17hmr because it was devastating and accurate at 120 yards instead of the loopy 14 inch drop of the .22lr. Maybe I have more respect for the quarry."

 

i have also owned a hmr and had very inconsistant performances with it aswell as owning a mach 2 and as dixy is someone i shoot with you are right he is a good shot which you would expect from someone who shoots more than 30 hours a week so you are right he is "better than you", and if youthink the .22lr drops 14" at 120 then thats exactly why you are missing them at that range, the bullets that were jammed in the gun from cycling the round then taking it out and the round is stuck in the chamber, the other blockage was a round had fired but did not leave the barrel and become lodged aprox 6 inches from crown.

the .17 sat on a windless range on bipod shooting paper out to 200yards is fine if you get a decent batch of ammo but if you do that you must live on the moon pal and obv not done much real shooting the hmr at 100 yards with the slightest bit of wind is moving a hell of a lot . also the hmr for the ammount of shooting we do is not financially sound for instance 50 rabbits on a fri day night with the hmr shooting approx 65 rounds is costing approx £20 the .22lr £5 max so someone like your self who only shoots once in a blue moon then fair enough but someone who shoots several nights a week awell as several hours on a range for reliability, accuracy and afffordabillaty the 22lr wins hand down , the hmr is an american round for shooting ground dogs in desert with no wind sat at a table , thats not hunting pal thats just killing!!!!!!!!!!

next time you choose to post please think before spouting s**t you clearly know feck all

 

Hello Kev

 

As dixyhmr says, all you can do is offer an opinion based on experience.

 

It is a bit off topic but one of my CZ .22lr using SK Subs zeroed at 55 yards drops 12 inches at 120 yards and my other with night vision zeroed at 50 yards drops 14" at 120 yards. I do not use either at those distances. I am not good enough and the groups are too large. yards is about it for day and 60 at night. Rabbit head shots or chest if I am wobbly.

 

My Anschutz .17hmr using Hornady 17gr V-Max zeroed at 100 yards shoots plus or minus less than half an inch from 30 to 110 yards and just under one inch low at 120, pretty flat. Groups smaller than a 2p coin over that entire range with only a rare "flier" that I generally put down to me rather than the ammo. If only it was as quiet as .22lr.

 

Having just bought another brick (500) of Hornady for £110 you are right, it is expensive. I do not get paid for my rabbit shooting but I do shoot a lot.

 

Just think, if a pack of 20 cigarettes costs about £7 that is 35p per cigarette but my HMR ammo costs 22p per bullet and my SK subs about half that.

 

I buy the best, most reliable and most accurate bullets, cost is not an issue, based on trying several different makes to find what works best in my guns. For me it was Hornady and SK, for others it will be different.

 

Bullet diameter does vary from make to make and I cannot chamber CCI .22lr, it is just too stiff.

 

At 100 yards the hmr does move a bit with the wind but if the wind is steady you can allow for that. I am in Cambridgeshire and either pick less windy days, or shoot slightly shorter distances or can arrange my shooting to be with the wind or against the wind or reduce the angle. Don't forget that at 45 degrees to the wind direction you halve the crosswind component and that makes a big difference. A bit geeky but to get used to it I bought a little wind meter, fascinating. Its a bit like distance, one mans 100 yards is another mans 75 and with wind is it 10mph or 20mph?

 

It is after midnight now, a warm night so I am off for a bit of pest control in the local council park for a couple of hours. A "sensitive" area so best to avoid any contact with "the public" as it is a privilege to shoot there and not a permission I want to lose. I could never use the hmr here as it is far too noisy.

[kev1986 0]

i own a brno .22lr mod 1 but it has been cut down to 12" , so i can shoot out of a vehicle much easier and on bipod at 50 yards on callm day will get half inch groups and at 100 will get 1 inch group , the bullet drop is 7 inch drop at 100 and 9 inch drop at 120 and this is with a shortned barrel , we have gale force winds up here at the minute and the 22lr would also move a lot but on the windy night you can generally get within 50 yards with wind in your face , we also shoot a lot of rabbits and the max we get is £1.30 per bunny and approx sell -100 per weekend to several butchers , , also when using the hmr there is not many that are edible even with a head shot often there is bits of shra[pnel etc that have damaged shoulders etc ,

my 22lr is not a picky gun at all and i can put through most brands and dont get much variation at 50 yards maybe 1/4 inch but on the other hand dixy has the same gun and he gets maybe 5" group with some ammo and 1/2 inch group with others so is quit articular on what is wants ,

if you want to sit 150yards from bunny set in summer evenings when it flat calshooting for pest control so not botheted about selling or eating them then the .17 will do but for all out lamping and walking then its the 22.r also with the hmr we have noticed with several different brands there is hardley any differamce in grouping out o 100yards but say you fire a 5 shot group you willget 3 nice rounds then 2 will just fly of by 6 inch or so ,my opinion is the .17 hmr is very unstabe because it is on the very limit and for instance a 40 gr bullet witha extra grain behind it might change zero by 1/4 inch at 100 yards were as 1 grain differanc behind .17grain bulet is making hell of a differance .ie wont buck win wont rifle the same, more loopy trajectory, the who ballistics will change dramaitically

ATB

Kev

[Deker 3,478]

 

See what Mr Federal says.....................

 

Tick the compare boxes of the HMR/WMR you want then hit the wind drift arrow.

 

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx

 

...and see the WMR is worse in all cases!

 

Thanks for that link Dekers, I had not seen it before and it is simple and revealing.

I do get fed up with people slagging off the .17hmr and repeating the same old drivel about being blown around in the wind.

Wind affects the .17hmr about half as much as either the .22LR or the .22WMR

Take a look at the graph for Trajectory on that site comparing the three rounds - they say it is a 100 yard zero but clearly it is a 50 yard zero or is my brain fogging up?

 

They do seem to have a typo on the "Range". They list Average as 100 when it is 50 and long as 200 when it is 100!