And You Thought Collies Were Clever

[Neoleaver 55]

I thought at one point the film had been doctored because the dog at one point was absolutely frozen to the spot.

But having looked at it a few times I think it's gen.

I thought the dog was an australian cattle dog, but the blokes accents were american.

What breed was it?

ths an American Stock Dog breed mate, some are mixed breeds, some are registered, this one looks like an English Collie (from dogs taken over by English settlers in the 19thC ) but it could also be an American Farm Collie, which looks pretty much the same, like a border but bigger and will work all livestock, not just sheep. They've some crackin herding dogs over there, makes you wonder what kind of lucher they'd produce put to a gh. The Hairy Mouth Heeler would be my choice, multi purpose hunting\herding dog, nearly always working dogs, rarely pets, hard as nails, trainable, rough coat....perfect.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Neoleaver

[Chid 6,551]

 

I thought at one point the film had been doctored because the dog at one point was absolutely frozen to the spot.

But having looked at it a few times I think it's gen.

I thought the dog was an australian cattle dog, but the blokes accents were american.

What breed was it?

ths an American Stock Dog mate, some are mixed breeds, some are registered, this one looks like an English Collie (from dogs taken over by English settlers in the 19thC ) but it could also be an American Farm Collie, which looks pretty much the same, like a border but bigger and will work all livestock, not just sheep. They've some crackin herding dogs over there, makes you wonder what kind of lucher they'd produce put to a gh. The Hairy Mouth Heeler would be my choice, multi purpose hunting\herding dog, nearly always working dogs, rarely pets, hard as nails, trainable, rough coat....perfect.

no its a kelpie x acd

[blackgreyhound 206]

i like a dog to be clever.but sometimes especially with gsdxg they have the ability to think for themselves .if they think when older that a hare cant be caught they will stop .just as a wolf would test its victims no sense in running ragged for no result.if the rabitt is to close to the hedge they wont run .or they wait for another dog to push the game towards them .there are two types of clever there is subservient clever or independent clever.the only drawback with independent thinking dogs is somtimes you can get angry with there disobedience and then realise that there judgemeant is far better than yours in certain situations .for excample you may lamp at a rabitt 60 yds away 4 foot from the hedge and say go on but the dog will think to itself feck off i know if i run up there 9 out of 10 the rabitts going to hop in why waste my energy .i even had some that would creep up on a hare collie style preban so as to get as close as possible before chaseing or would stick close to cover and get as close as possible . the only dawback with independent minded dogs is that if they were used regulary on deer preban .some will say just as a wolf would look i am not starving or desperate im not chaseing that little rabitt thing around in circles wasteing my energy.

[jukel123 8,309]

Personally I can put up with a dog that says feck it the odds are in the quarry's favour. That's not a problem for me.

However I couldn't be assed with a dog that jacked even when the odds were decent on it catching.

There's a big difference between the two in my opinion.However I'm sure the hyenas on here won't agree.

[dai dogs 1,529]

collies can be a bit to clever at times,

this photo is out of THE RUNNING DOG year book 1991.

these 2 would not be welcome in my kennels

[brookie 1,193]

i like a dog to be clever.but sometimes especially with gsdxg they have the ability to think for themselves .if they think when older that a hare cant be caught they will stop .just as a wolf would test its victims no sense in running ragged for no result.if the rabitt is to close to the hedge they wont run .or they wait for another dog to push the game towards them .there are two types of clever there is subservient clever or independent clever.the only drawback with independent thinking dogs is somtimes you can get angry with there disobedience and then realise that there judgemeant is far better than yours in certain situations .for excample you may lamp at a rabitt 60 yds away 4 foot from the hedge and say go on but the dog will think to itself feck off i know if i run up there 9 out of 10 the rabitts going to hop in why waste my energy .i even had some that would creep up on a hare collie style preban so as to get as close as possible before chaseing or would stick close to cover and get as close as possible . the only dawback with independent minded dogs is that if they were used regulary on deer preban .some will say just as a wolf would look i am not starving or desperate im not chaseing that little rabitt thing around in circles wasteing my energy.

a dog that does that is a jacker mate .he doesnt know weather that rabbit is going to come back out .stay where he is or what ever hes going to do until he trys him is he . how many times does a rabbit pop inside a hedge only to come back out once the dog pokes his nose in. prey drive is not there if they can see it but wont try it

[blackgreyhound 206]

brookie.i have seen countles owners with brainless dog lamps rabitts close to hedges .the dogs have wasted lots of energy running 60 yds at full speed a lot of the time for nothing especially if the rabitts have been lamped before they are not comeing out again in a hurry.its not jacking its useing its intelligeince and asessing the situation.my first dog most of the time would not chase rabitts unless the situation was right he realised if he went up slow and silent he could catch a fair few on the squat.he was not a jacker you cant catch big deer nearly every night preban after walking seven miles to get there if he was a jacker/also on the morning he died at the age of ten he put a hare up at a place called billington and he judged he could catch it. he managed on one strike to take the fleck off the hares tail.i took him home and he had a masive heart attack due to his age and efforts of courseing his last hare if he had been in his prime he would have caught it but old age favored the hares escape.if he had been a jacker he wouldnt have coursed it

[brookie 1,193]

and ive seen countless brainless owners and brainless dogs myself .and ive been around working dogs alot longer than most have been alive my mate .and its obvious we have different bench marks on what we class as decent dogs . il stand by what i say pal if it dont try it when it can see it .its a jacker .

[keepitcovert 842]

Collies are often accused of picking there runs being skittish and half halfhearted but for me they are the original lurcher. Problem is a lot of guys that slag them off are scared to own a dog with a higher IQ than themselves

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Get what you are saying Keepitcovert,...and I also understand what Brookie is implying...

 

Personaly,..having used a lot of lurchers, derived from pastoral/herding linage,...I would have to differentiate their actions, from those of a purpose bred, whizz-bang striker...

If one of those lean and mean critters, starts to say no,no,no...then the hare killing game is over.

 

However, it can also occur with the real collified, 'cur-like' types,...unfortunately they twig on to a lost cause, far quicker than most other lurcher hybrids..

That is just the way their mind set works...

 

It is a kind of primitive predator/prey thing,...real interesting data for a student of canine physiology I suppose, but this picking and choosing business can be a reet bummer,.. more so,..if you are having a wee bit of a wager ,...it then becomes a big problem...

 

I admire a 100% tryer ,..however, being a woodland hunter, I cannot afford to own, a do or die-er..

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[low plains drifter 10,649]

That is a superb photo C W,I remember the days when collie crosses could run one of them

[stewie 3,387]

i like a dog to be clever.but sometimes especially with gsdxg they have the ability to think for themselves .if they think when older that a hare cant be caught they will stop .just as a wolf would test its victims no sense in running ragged for no result.if the rabitt is to close to the hedge they wont run .or they wait for another dog to push the game towards them .there are two types of clever there is subservient clever or independent clever.the only drawback with independent thinking dogs is somtimes you can get angry with there disobedience and then realise that there judgemeant is far better than yours in certain situations .for excample you may lamp at a rabitt 60 yds away 4 foot from the hedge and say go on but the dog will think to itself feck off i know if i run up there 9 out of 10 the rabitts going to hop in why waste my energy .i even had some that would creep up on a hare collie style preban so as to get as close as possible before chaseing or would stick close to cover and get as close as possible . the only dawback with independent minded dogs is that if they were used regulary on deer preban .some will say just as a wolf would look i am not starving or desperate im not chaseing that little rabitt thing around in circles wasteing my energy.

good post...........

[stewie 3,387]

Get what you are saying Keepitcovert,...and I also understand what Brookie is implying...

 

Personaly,..having used a lot of lurchers, derived from pastoral/herding linage,...I would have to differentiate their actions, from those of a purpose bred, whizz-bang striker...

Cos, when one of those lean and mean boys, starts to say no,no,no...then the killing game is up.

 

It sometimes occurs with the real collified, 'cur-like' types,...unfortunately they twig on to a lost cause, far quicker than most other lurcher hybrids..

 

It is a kind of primitive predator/prey thing,...real interesting for a student of canine physiology I suppose, but this picking and choosing business can be a reet bummer,.. more so,..if you are having a wee bit of a wager

I admire a 100% tryer ,..however, being a woodland hunter, I cannot afford to run, a do or die-er..

 

 

 

another good post lol.........

 

was this bitch on the front of EDRD few years back chalky???? she always reminded me of a little bitch i had at the time.............

 

 

she picked a choosed her runs at times..........but seen her do things that far exceeded my expectations............

 

 

 

 

on "wild" dogs the one my neighbour had in sweden lived out on a chain all year round lol we would be leaving for work in the morning and the dog would be fast asleep under that tree, on his back with legs in air even when it was -30 degrees................. this dog was like no other ive met..........you never knew what was going on in its head..........and them wall eyes would scare the shit out of you if he looked at you in the wrong way...........piercing..........

 

 

 

 

this pic was taken after a night in stockholm which involved a long walk home........... but as i was coming round the corner the dog was just stood on that rock with his bushy tail in the air, not wagging at all and just stared you straight in the eye..........

 

 

id say the bull cross is a victim of its own success...........it will work for anyone and are easy to train, forgetting mistakes that a collie cross would take months to forget..........

 

but in the right hands........the right type of collie cross can do a hell of alot more than a slip on sight type of hound..........

[Neoleaver 55]

 

 

I thought at one point the film had been doctored because the dog at one point was absolutely frozen to the spot.

But having looked at it a few times I think it's gen.

I thought the dog was an australian cattle dog, but the blokes accents were american.

What breed was it?

ths an American Stock Dog mate, some are mixed breeds, some are registered, this one looks like an English Collie (from dogs taken over by English settlers in the 19thC ) but it could also be an American Farm Collie, which looks pretty much the same, like a border but bigger and will work all livestock, not just sheep. They've some crackin herding dogs over there, makes you wonder what kind of lucher they'd produce put to a gh. The Hairy Mouth Heeler would be my choice, multi purpose hunting\herding dog, nearly always working dogs, rarely pets, hard as nails, trainable, rough coat....perfect.

no its a kelpie x acd

Yeah you could be right bud, some do use aussie dogs out there, but the majority use there own American stock dog breeds. Google the two I suggested, you'll see what I mean.

[Chid 6,551]

 

 

 

I thought at one point the film had been doctored because the dog at one point was absolutely frozen to the spot.

But having looked at it a few times I think it's gen.

I thought the dog was an australian cattle dog, but the blokes accents were american.

What breed was it?

ths an American Stock Dog mate, some are mixed breeds, some are registered, this one looks like an English Collie (from dogs taken over by English settlers in the 19thC ) but it could also be an American Farm Collie, which looks pretty much the same, like a border but bigger and will work all livestock, not just sheep. They've some crackin herding dogs over there, makes you wonder what kind of lucher they'd produce put to a gh. The Hairy Mouth Heeler would be my choice, multi purpose hunting\herding dog, nearly always working dogs, rarely pets, hard as nails, trainable, rough coat....perfect.

no its a kelpie x acd

Yeah you could be right bud, some do use aussie dogs out there, but the majority use there own American stock dog breeds. Google the two I suggested, you'll see what I mean.

Not could be i am right