Help On Stock Breaking

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

 

keep him on the lead for now around any stock, if he even as much as looks at them give him a sharp tug on the lead and a firm NO, get him out as much as you can.

This works - don't forget to praise the dog if he goes through sheep or lambs without bothering them.

 

Mine is still learning but fine with new lambs jumping around 2 feet away from him. He's on an extendable lead at the moment but will come off that in the next few months. He's very excited by rabbits, but not sheep, but I wouldn't trust him not to chase if he was off the lead and the sheep were running.

 

Forget the shock collar - it's not necessary, except perhaps for an older dog. It takes time to stock-train a dog and your dog is only a year old. It's not a nightmare - it's part of your dog's training and you bonding with the dog.

Shock collars won't help bonding!

 

 

The dog is a year old, is big, strong and keen - he's past the sharp tug on the lead stage - extendable or not...

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

 

 

keep him on the lead for now around any stock, if he even as much as looks at them give him a sharp tug on the lead and a firm NO, get him out as much as you can.

This works - don't forget to praise the dog if he goes through sheep or lambs without bothering them.

 

Mine is still learning but fine with new lambs jumping around 2 feet away from him. He's on an extendable lead at the moment but will come off that in the next few months. He's very excited by rabbits, but not sheep, but I wouldn't trust him not to chase if he was off the lead and the sheep were running.

 

Forget the shock collar - it's not necessary, except perhaps for an older dog. It takes time to stock-train a dog and your dog is only a year old. It's not a nightmare - it's part of your dog's training and you bonding with the dog.

Shock collars won't help bonding!

 

 

The dog is a year old, is big, strong and keen - he's past the sharp tug on the lead stage - extendable or not...

My dog's over two and a half years old. He's big, strong and keen too - twenty seven and a half tts and weighs over 70lbs. He's fine on an extendable lead with a sharp tug every so often - he's still learning.

 

There's no race involved in training a dog, and no prizes for being the first to have a stock-trained mutt. Lurchers are highly intelligent, sensitive beasts. If someone wants to risk ruining the in-built qualities in a dog by trying shortcuts (like with a shock collar) that's up to them.

 

I'm going at my dog's own pace - he's doing fine. No-one can generalise about what age a dog should be stock-broken at, because each lurcher mix can take different times to mature.

The deerhound X takes an age to mature - which is fine by me, because it means we have more time to learn the basics, and to reinforce commands.

 

A year-old dog is still young - hence why I maintain - no need for shock collars.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Taz-n-Lily

[keeganrees 196]

Shock collars did not make mine submissive .. The first time was used she came straight back towards me to look for comfort and she does that know if a sheep runs towards her she runs to me in fear off sheep or fear off me ?

 

Some dogs are not always as easy to stock vreak people reckon

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

Shock collars did not make mine submissive .. The first time was used she came straight back towards me to look for comfort and she does that know if a sheep runs towards her she runs to me in fear off sheep or fear off me ?

 

Some dogs are not always as easy to stock vreak people reckon

Well there's a quality I like to see in a dog - scared of a sheep!

[keeganrees 196]

But like he said taz he's tried all above apart from extendable lead and I know from doing with mine it didn't work coz she knew she was on it so never bothered .. It's the case that when its off it knows its off then hell starts

 

But with a collar at least u know your in control off situation .. Because it will stop dog as soon as it breaks stride and mine was done on level 1 of shock outa 8 levels and Tryed on my self at level Nd it doesn't hurt no more than static shock

[keeganrees 196]

Well why wouldn't u want it to be scared at the end off the day.. She's doesn't exactly take off till there's no more sheep around just takes a few steps backwards .. I'd rather a farmer see that than one that's in amoungest them playing ??

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

But like he said taz he's tried all above apart from extendable lead and I know from doing with mine it didn't work coz she knew she was on it so never bothered .. It's the case that when its off it knows its off then hell starts

 

But with a collar at least u know your in control off situation .. Because it will stop dog as soon as it breaks stride and mine was done on level 1 of shock outa 8 levels and Tryed on my self at level Nd it doesn't hurt no more than static shock

I wouldn't use a shock collar for the reasons I've given. I don't think they're necessary, except perhaps in the case of an older dog who needs retraining.

People don't bother getting the basics sorted out - simple things like recall from a distance. Get that one command right and you have a dog which you can control.

I want a responsive dog which will leave on command, chase on command, and come straight in (from as far away as he goes) when called. That all takes time - no shortcuts.

[keeganrees 196]

Well mine would recall first time from any distance at that age .. But once drive kicks in to chase there's not a lot u can do especially at the age the dogs at ... Obv u don't want to chase sheep and that's y it's stock breaking u do with it ..

 

But I personally done everything you have mentioned and shock collar was my last option I tested avoiding at all cost ..

 

And from what you have said about your own dog it's still on extendable lead around them at 2and half years of age .. When it should be know walking free with them ... So how do u know you basic training has worked of its no free around th ?? Not looking for fight just general discussion as I am only learning myself mate

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

 

 

 

keep him on the lead for now around any stock, if he even as much as looks at them give him a sharp tug on the lead and a firm NO, get him out as much as you can.

This works - don't forget to praise the dog if he goes through sheep or lambs without bothering them.

 

Mine is still learning but fine with new lambs jumping around 2 feet away from him. He's on an extendable lead at the moment but will come off that in the next few months. He's very excited by rabbits, but not sheep, but I wouldn't trust him not to chase if he was off the lead and the sheep were running.

 

Forget the shock collar - it's not necessary, except perhaps for an older dog. It takes time to stock-train a dog and your dog is only a year old. It's not a nightmare - it's part of your dog's training and you bonding with the dog.

Shock collars won't help bonding!

 

 

The dog is a year old, is big, strong and keen - he's past the sharp tug on the lead stage - extendable or not...

My dog's over two and a half years old. He's big, strong and keen too - twenty seven and a half tts and weighs over 70lbs. He's fine on an extendable lead with a sharp tug every so often - he's still learning.

 

There's no race involved in training a dog, and no prizes for being the first to have a stock-trained mutt. Lurchers are highly intelligent, sensitive beasts. If someone wants to risk ruining the in-built qualities in a dog by trying shortcuts (like with a shock collar) that's up to them.

 

I'm going at my dog's own pace - he's doing fine. No-one can generalise about what age a dog should be stock-broken at, because each lurcher mix can take different times to mature.

The deerhound X takes an age to mature - which is fine by me, because it means we have more time to learn the basics, and to reinforce commands.

 

A year-old dog is still young - hence why I maintain - no need for shock collars.

 

 

There's some shit spoken on here mind you eh????

 

Top and bottom is, if you are still needing to put a dog on an extendable lead for stock breaking reminders at two-and-a-half years old you have failed your dog and yourself big time...no ifs, no buts you have failed!!!!! And all and any lurchers should be stock broken when they are months old...no exceptions. It's one of the first things I teach mines - each and every one of them. By the sounds of it you couldn't guarantee that your dog would be safe with stock at 2-and-a-half- years old???? You've failed and you're talking shit...

 

Edited to say that your above posts could be the biggest load of shit I have ever read on THL - honestly get a f***ing cat will you...

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

Well mine would recall first time from any distance at that age .. But once drive kicks in to chase there's not a lot u can do especially at the age the dogs at ... Obv u don't want to chase sheep and that's y it's stock breaking u do with it ..

 

But I personally done everything you have mentioned and shock collar was my last option I tested avoiding at all cost ..

 

And from what you have said about your own dog it's still on extendable lead around them at 2and half years of age .. When it should be know walking free with them ... So how do u know you basic training has worked of its no free around th ?? Not looking for fight just general discussion as I am only learning myself mate

Understood - we're all learning.

 

Deerhound crosses take an age to mature - sometimes well into their third year. At two and a half he's still puppyish, but maturing slowly. I think a year for a big dog is nothing - if the OP's dog was mine I'd be training without a shock collar, and I'd be reconciled to the fact it could take another 3 to 6 months. But at the end of that time - provided the basics are in - the dog should be on the road to being very well-trained and responsive. It's a collie X so the intelligence is there in spades - probably it just needs to mature a bit.

 

Any aversion training, like with a shock, kick or smack, is a move towards the dog being afraid - that's not what I want in a dog, and it's not the way to get the best out of a dog.

Instant responsiveness, yes. Fear, no.

[blackgreyhound 206]

borderscott .you are right it is time to get dogs in among stock at 8wks onwards.my friends whippets are not ok with stock with horses one wants to play with them and one wants to bark and chase them.he should have done ther training when very small this is why takeing a pup out does them good.tho i must say you have to constanly reinforce in some dogs .i did not think my gsdxg would turn into a mutton mauler he had been trained from 8wks old..one day out chaseing squirrells he sudenlly turned for no reason at all .by the time i had got to him he had grabbed 6 sheep by the ears and had killed all six of them.after that i realised that some dogs have to be watched very carefully especially if they have been killing lots of deer preban.some but not all dogs can turn mutton maulers anytime .i never ever have had complete trust in any dog since then

[BORDERSCOT 3,816]

borderscott .you are right it is time to get dogs in among stock at 8wks onwards.my friends whippets are not ok with stock with horses one wants to play with them and one wants to bark and chase them.he should have done ther training when very small this is why takeing a pup out does them good.tho i must say you have to constanly reinforce in some dogs .i did not think my gsdxg would turn into a mutton mauler he had been trained from 8wks old..one day out chaseing squirrells he sudenlly turned for no reason at all .by the time i had got to him he had grabbed 6 sheep by the ears and had killed all six of them.after that i realised that some dogs have to be watched very carefully especially if they have been killing lots of deer preban.some but not all dogs can turn mutton maulers anytime .i never ever have had complete trust in any dog since then

 

There is no excuse not to have the stock breaking process started when their first jags are finished...even earlier for me as I have sheep in the field at the rear of my house...and yeah now and then when I'm out I'll make them sit and let sheep steam out in front of them...just simply can't have dogs that would chase sheep here...just a little aside...I knew a guy (he'll be hunting in hell now - and loving it probably) who ran sheep as a matter of course...had a good and ready market for them...his dog was very very good at taking sheep...it was a Belgian Shephed x German Shepherd...a long long time ago now...some things aren't easily forgotten though...

[keeganrees 196]

Yeah I do agree with trying everything before shock .. But he has time on his side as the seasons over good luck with the training which ever way I decide

[Taz-n-Lily 62]

 

 

 

 

keep him on the lead for now around any stock, if he even as much as looks at them give him a sharp tug on the lead and a firm NO, get him out as much as you can.

This works - don't forget to praise the dog if he goes through sheep or lambs without bothering them.

 

Mine is still learning but fine with new lambs jumping around 2 feet away from him. He's on an extendable lead at the moment but will come off that in the next few months. He's very excited by rabbits, but not sheep, but I wouldn't trust him not to chase if he was off the lead and the sheep were running.

 

Forget the shock collar - it's not necessary, except perhaps for an older dog. It takes time to stock-train a dog and your dog is only a year old. It's not a nightmare - it's part of your dog's training and you bonding with the dog.

Shock collars won't help bonding!

 

 

The dog is a year old, is big, strong and keen - he's past the sharp tug on the lead stage - extendable or not...

My dog's over two and a half years old. He's big, strong and keen too - twenty seven and a half tts and weighs over 70lbs. He's fine on an extendable lead with a sharp tug every so often - he's still learning.

 

There's no race involved in training a dog, and no prizes for being the first to have a stock-trained mutt. Lurchers are highly intelligent, sensitive beasts. If someone wants to risk ruining the in-built qualities in a dog by trying shortcuts (like with a shock collar) that's up to them.

 

I'm going at my dog's own pace - he's doing fine. No-one can generalise about what age a dog should be stock-broken at, because each lurcher mix can take different times to mature.

The deerhound X takes an age to mature - which is fine by me, because it means we have more time to learn the basics, and to reinforce commands.

 

A year-old dog is still young - hence why I maintain - no need for shock collars.

 

 

There's some shit spoken on here mind you eh????

 

Top and bottom is, if you are still needing to put a dog on an extendable lead for stock breaking reminders at two-and-a-half years old you have failed your dog and yourself big time...no ifs, no buts you have failed!!!!! And all and any lurchers should be stock broken when they are months old...no exceptions. It's one of the first things I teach mines - each and every one of them. By the sounds of it you couldn't guarantee that your dog would be safe with stock at 2-and-a-half- years old???? You've failed and you're talking shit...

 

Edited to say that your above posts could be the biggest load of shit I have ever read on THL - honestly get a f*****g cat will you...

Do you know much about deerhound X's then?

 

Do you really think that all lurchers should be stock-broken at months-old?

 

And finally, do you go through many dogs who don't meet your exacting standards?

[BIGLURKS 874]

Look at the ears when it's on the lead the dog will tell u a lot more from its ears then any thing and ive found telling it of at the right time works better then shouting at it while its 600 yards down the field alrdy in full chase also I've found introducing a dog too things its not aloud too chase before its prey drive hits but if Iam really struggling with a dog round the 8 month 1 year old age get it in a pen with some yews and lambs or a field of tups but that's for some serious stubborn dogs I know of one lad that only does this way and swears bye it