Magaret Thatcher Poll - Did More Good Or More Bad

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

I wonder if they will overdub the words for when bliar dies to ding dong the wannkers dead

[Matt 160]

why is the country fxcked today then no unions on strike all the time?why is it ok to subsidise farming because most vote tory?scargill didnt fetch the miners out yorkshire miners walked out when they said corton wood was shutting factwhy is the country fxcked today then no unions on strike all the time?why is it ok to subsidise farming because most vote tory?scargill didnt fetch the miners out yorkshire miners walked out when they said corton wood was shutting fact

 

Why is the country f****d today?

 

Well there are any number of reasons, none of them Mrs T.

 

You could argue that there is a worldwide recession, and that we weren't prepared for it because Labour had spent all the cash and bought off the electorate with borrowed money.

 

You could equally argue that the economic policies of Gordon Brown, first a Chancellor, and later as PM allowed the banking sector complete unregulated freedom to gamble on the markets.

 

You could also, I suppose, argue that the unions knackered british industry in the seventies and that the free market policies of the Conservative government didn't do enough to help industry recover from the strife of the seventies and the huge error Wilson made in nationalising industries instead of modernising them.

 

The one thing you can't argue is that it's all the fault of one old lady who is now dead.

 

 

Mat I ain't being funny, but reading you rattling on about she's a mother grandmother etc etc, what about people that comit rapes and murders, they are somebody's father, mother, daughter etc etc do you hit out with that shit when you read the paper? " Here mat look bin laden planned and carried out a terrorist attack on america and killed thousands I hope the b*****d rots" " not me mate that's somebody's father and husband ye know" , what a lot of shit thatcher ain't just f****d 1 or 2 life's, she f****d GREAT BRITAIN so f**k her I'm with the millions of others, I know what il be blasting out the speakers on Wednesday.

 

No comparison, sorry.

 

Mrs Thatcher led the Conservative party who won three elections.

 

She didn't lie about what needed to be done, and she didn't move from her principles, rightly or wrongly.

 

But she certainly wasn't a criminal or a terrorist.

 

People all over the world are looking at Britain and wondering how we can treat the death of someone who achieved so much for others with such contempt.

 

As I said in the other, doomed thread on the subject whether you agree with everything she did isn't important. She was a one off, the like of which we will never see again. If we had more politicians who were prepared to stand up for what they believe to be right, instead of the spineless self publicising dickheads we have now, this country would once again lead the world.

[roe-buck 63]

Says it all really two people who had no morals! Thatcher helped her financier,industrialist paymastersto screw the NUM and unions!Savile well he just screwed who he felt like! Are you telling me with all the Security services,MI6,MI5 and Special Branch at her disposal, Thatcher didn't know what this man was doing?Yet He regularily stayed at her residence and sat down for dinner!!!

Edited April 13, 2013 by roe-buck

[WILF 46,793]

I hear folk bleat on about " manufacturing has been lost in this country" blah blah blah

 

Well, you have minimum wage

You have paid holiday

You have this workers right and that workers right

You have the working time directive

 

The list go's on.......they don't have any of that shite in China or the far easy so they can make things cheaper!

 

You can't have it all ways round

 

They have just shipped in from China the 3 largest container cranes in Europe near me.........if they could have made them cheaper in any yard up the east coast then they would have done it.......logic says its cheaper to barge something down the east coast than all the way from china.

 

There's an old saying, careful what you wish for cause it may come true.......well we have all these wonderful workers perks and no manufacturing.........who's fault is that?

[WILF 46,793]

Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

 

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

 

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

[gnasher16 30,118]

compulsory purchased sunshine for the redshite exstending their stadium. The clue is in the wording on the poster Ah gnasher dont be getting all emotional because of the destine shown to anty margj

Would that be along the same lines as the 1 pound houses on the same manor then ?...............Your city is a shithole pal dont be afraid to say it......most cities are......people in greenhouses and all that !

 

Far as im concerned,the venomous no class cheap nastiness towards an old dead woman......suggest maybe she was right all along to wash her hands of certain areas...............again,the truth often has strange ways of proving itself.

Edited April 13, 2013 by gnasher16

[sikastag_1 689]

Same principal mat, hopefully she was a one off the world could be doing without another c**t like her

[roe-buck 63]

Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

 

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

 

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

Obviously no idea what your on about,in order to make a living wage before and after the Strike miners in South Wales had to ,work what they called" Doublers", even "Treblers" shifts just to make ends meet!I think it was illegal as the hours were horrendous and operating in the dangerous enviroment they were, but they had to do it.These huge wages touted were for a few areas of England where they had huge 14 ft seams and could cut huge amounts of coal alot more easily than the narrower smaller seams found in Wales. Scotland Etc.Just another lie touted by Thatchers misinformation network.

Edited April 13, 2013 by roe-buck

[gnasher16 30,118]

No comparison, sorry.

 

Mrs Thatcher led the Conservative party who won three elections.

 

She didn't lie about what needed to be done, and she didn't move from her principles, rightly or wrongly.

 

But she certainly wasn't a criminal or a terrorist.

 

People all over the world are looking at Britain and wondering how we can treat the death of someone who achieved so much for others with such contempt.

 

As I said in the other, doomed thread on the subject whether you agree with everything she did isn't important. She was a one off, the like of which we will never see again. If we had more politicians who were prepared to stand up for what they believe to be right, instead of the spineless self publicising dickheads we have now, this country would once again lead the world.

I dont have the brains or education to understand in depth politics so often use common sense to try to work stuff out......what i always find ironic in these type discussions is what your parents used to tell you in the days of hand written job applications " do it in your best grammar and vocabulary "

The above as an example..............compared to the unreadable mumbo jumbo some folk are happy to write and expect to be taken seriously !..........it always puts me in mind of the saying .............." class always tells and shit always smells "

[WILF 46,793]

 

From what I can see, and i remember bin bags piled high in the streets and blackouts, the unions and its members took the piss and got ironed out.

Get over it......we lost docking along the Thames long before, to bloody expensive to land cargo......thanks to, yes you've guessed it, the good old union.

If they had really wanted to save the pits, they would have dumped the union, worked twice as long for half the money and made the business work.

Instead it was " all out boys" every two minutes and they reaped the whirlwind.....no one to blame but themselves!

. Wilf the reason the the up river docks closed india etc. was nothing to do Discontent it was pure logistics. Ship were getting out of general cargo and bulk carriers were get bigger the thames could not be dredged up river to costly all so the future barrie plans made them obsolete , we can play table tennis all. Week over the. Reasond be hind the demise of certain in industries. But ill leave you with this. Are remaining coal seam would last for over 400 years. Clean coal burning tech is out there. Yet on the orders of. A goverment in the 80s. Deals were struc. In eastern europe and south amrica to import coal. Mined in south america by. Kids. Mined in eastern europe with the aid of huge subsides provide by. The eu , brand new coal beths were built on docks. To tranport the coal in land. A brand new train company set up. To. Tranport the coal. The jig saw. Slowy came together , A. Mine closer programe did indeed start under wilson Mines that were not vible were closed , yes unions reacted , the closers brought in by mac the knike were for a compleaty differant reason. The eastern european. Links were for future entry to the eu. The use of child labour was and is still sickening. But hey. We have wind farms now. Lol lol lol lol. You carnt see the wood for the trees. Springs tob mind.

You a decent lad to have a discussion with matey because you keep it civil.....fair play.

 

All I will say is, I am a simple bloke who has worked for myself all my working life since I was 13 !!!........and to me business adds up to one thing......expenses!!

 

I do alright at my jobs because I try and buy right and I can get my gear out 3 times as quick using half the people so I earn more out of it.......work harder, earn more.......no wood or trees, just simple.

 

All my lads are self employed, I can't think about taking someone on full time because all these " rights" give any potential employee the power to clean me out for the least little reason......they can sit home on their arse while I have to graft to pay for them and my kids go without, sorry, not on my watch I am afraid.

There are thousands of business like me who would like to give a young lad or a decent bloke a start be can't take the chance.....all thanks to unions.

 

From big business to the little man, if your prepared to graft and don't take the piss then you will get on....if not, then your customers will go someplace else

 

The government ain't rocking round to prop the likes of me up when I have a bad month, why should shipyards or coal mines be any different?

[WILF 46,793]

 

Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

Obviously no idea what your on about,in order to make a living wage before and after the Strike miners in South Wales had to ,work what they called" Doublers", even "Treblers" shifts just to make ends meet!I think it was illegal as the hours were horrendous and operating in the dangerous enviroment they were, but they had to do it.These huge wages touted were for a few areas of England where they had huge 14 ft seams and could cut huge amounts of coal alot more easily than the narrower smaller seams found in Wales. Scotland Etc.Just another lie touted by Thatchers misinformation network.

Well then, like all of us who have to work in the real world, it's put up or shut up !!

 

If they didn't want to do then leave, if they want to earn the money then graft.....it's really as simple as that to me I am afraid matey

[bird 9,889]

being born in 52 , i see the need for union's as some places that i worked at were real bad, poor wages, No health+ safety, bulleying bossies .Now in the 70s when Ted Heath was PM the unions had got to powerful, with power cuts, working 3 days a week etc.... What thatcter did to the miners+ ship workers, was to (break) the unions and she did. So you went from to powerful- weak, and thats why the unions of today have no clout . She went out of her way keep class system what she wanted the( rich stay rich,and the poor stay poor) FACT . As she was woman + mother i can feel sorry her family what they lost, but as a leader+ PM she was CU*T

[bigdaz 688]

 

 

Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

Obviously no idea what your on about,in order to make a living wage before and after the Strike miners in South Wales had to ,work what they called" Doublers", even "Treblers" shifts just to make ends meet!I think it was illegal as the hours were horrendous and operating in the dangerous enviroment they were, but they had to do it.These huge wages touted were for a few areas of England where they had huge 14 ft seams and could cut huge amounts of coal alot more easily than the narrower smaller seams found in Wales. Scotland Etc.Just another lie touted by Thatchers misinformation network.

Well then, like all of us who have to work in the real world, it's put up or shut up !!

 

If they didn't want to do then leave, if they want to earn the money then graft.....it's really as simple as that to me I am afraid matey

 

 

 

 

 

Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

Obviously no idea what your on about,in order to make a living wage before and after the Strike miners in South Wales had to ,work what they called" Doublers", even "Treblers" shifts just to make ends meet!I think it was illegal as the hours were horrendous and operating in the dangerous enviroment they were, but they had to do it.These huge wages touted were for a few areas of England where they had huge 14 ft seams and could cut huge amounts of coal alot more easily than the narrower smaller seams found in Wales. Scotland Etc.Just another lie touted by Thatchers misinformation network.

Well then, like all of us who have to work in the real world, it's put up or shut up !!

 

If they didn't want to do then leave, if they want to earn the money then graft.....it's really as simple as that to me I am afraid matey

 

 

 

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Genuine question to any miner or shipyard worker:

When you could see that the industry was being propped up with tax payers money and so could not go on as a viable business, did any pits or yards offer to work more hours for less money?

Or had the unions gone too far by then and needed to be broken at any expense?

Obviously no idea what your on about,in order to make a living wage before and after the Strike miners in South Wales had to ,work what they called" Doublers", even "Treblers" shifts just to make ends meet!I think it was illegal as the hours were horrendous and operating in the dangerous enviroment they were, but they had to do it.These huge wages touted were for a few areas of England where they had huge 14 ft seams and could cut huge amounts of coal alot more easily than the narrower smaller seams found in Wales. Scotland Etc.Just another lie touted by Thatchers misinformation network.

Well then, like all of us who have to work in the real world, it's put up or shut up !!

 

If they didn't want to do then leave, if they want to earn the money then graft.....it's really as simple as that to me I am afraid matey

 

 

Unfortunately Wilf it isn't as simple as that and therein lies the problem, a large percentage of the population of this country now want all the luxuries without the graft. Endorsed and encouraged by new labour, even by sitting on you're arse and fiddling the system you could have a better standard of life than many people with a work ethic.

How in the name of god anyone thinks that was fair defies belief.

Well after thirteen years of abuse the piper's looking to be paid and I'm willing to bet the folk screaming the loudest were the biggest contributors to the shit we're in now.

[walshie 2,804]

I can understand people either liking or disliking her. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I find the personal slagging and name-calling pointless and direspectful of the dead. Thing is though, she can't hear it, but even if she was alive and reading this right now, she wouldn't give 2 shits what any of her haters think, so what's the point in bad-mouthing her now it's too late?

[Malt 379]

People seem to think everything was rosy up until the point Labour got in in '97.. Comments like 'Labour spent all the money', what fecking money? We were in deficit when they came to power and if the Tories were so wonderful, how come they got booted out by one of the biggest landslide losses in history? It's all very well saying that its cheaper to buy things from abroad too, but its often false economy because even if it costs more to build and buy British, the money spent stays in our own economy and gets spent here. Even if times had changed that much and the heavy industries were no longer needed, some sort of provison should have been made for what happened afterwards. Whole population centres in the north of England, Scotland and South Wales only ever existed because of the industries and when they went, what was left? You were left with large populations of people with nothing to do and areas still suffering to this day. For centuries the rest of the UK, and later the rest of the empire had fed London and turned it into one of the worlds great capital cities.. Under Maggie the city started to became self sustaining and then strong enough to feed the rest of the UK. This was built upon by Labour and suddenly we could afford to subsidise people to stay at home, and up sprang the benefit culture. Seeds planted by Maggie and then fertilised by Labour.