Thatcher Dies

[baw 4,360]

 

 

Your never going to win a popularity contest if your having to close anything down because its viably impossible to keep running. It's ok saying don't privatize the railways etc but who pays for the upkeep? Roads will be next to go, they are a disgrace. Did all the labour lovers complain when they were closing rural schools and post offices?

surely the point is, if the private sector can run something at a profit that was making a loss in the public sector then its the management who are at fault and not the employees or the public investors ie me you and everybody else who paid tax`s, seems to me a few people stood to make a lot of money from privatisation rather than it being in the publics interest.

Still happens mate. What's your first thought to describe a ........... Council worker?

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

Thatcher wanted the pits closed, why? One thing I've never understood about all this, if there's so much coal why isn't someone mining it now?

They are mining it, did you it read that post that Paulus cross posted from Facebook? There is 300 years worth of the purest anthracite in the ground in my little area of Wales alone, and that's nothing compared to the S Wales valleys.. We were never a major coal producing region though, and our industry was gone long before Thatcher was even born. There are numerous theories as to why they closed the mines.. Spite, revenge, saving the coal until we run out of oil and are technologically advanced enough to use it to produce clean energy, but my personal view is that they were closed as a method of control to stop people standing up against the government in an organised protest movement. With the closure of the mines and other heavy industries, the working class people lost a massive rallying point that could be used to stand up against tyranny. They could no longer hold the government to account by withdrawing their labour. Think what damage a very organised and angry group of a few hundred thousand could do if they decided to descend on London en masse.. You saw with the riots a few years back what a few thousand (idiots) could do with a few messages sent to each other on Facebook, imagine what could have happened with 2 - 300,000 or more angry people with an axe to grind..

 

Thanks Malt.

 

Spite and revenge for what? I know why I believe she did it. But what is being claimed is that she came into power wanting an allegedly prosperous industry scrapped? That makes no sense to me.

 

I understand the fear the gov' had of the unions, but I think that's where we differ. I don't believe they deserved that power, it's dangerous. And imo Thatcher followed that belief, she knew they had to be crushed at any cost. The lesser of two evils.

 

As an aside, it's interesting to see what comes of our unconventional natural gas reserves (shale gas etc). The UK could be on the brink of a natural gas boom. The economy fecking needs it and the gov' want it.

[mushroom 12,862]

 

 

 

Your never going to win a popularity contest if your having to close anything down because its viably impossible to keep running. It's ok saying don't privatize the railways etc but who pays for the upkeep? Roads will be next to go, they are a disgrace. Did all the labour lovers complain when they were closing rural schools and post offices?

surely the point is, if the private sector can run something at a profit that was making a loss in the public sector then its the management who are at fault and not the employees or the public investors ie me you and everybody else who paid tax`s, seems to me a few people stood to make a lot of money from privatisation rather than it being in the publics interest.

Still happens mate. What's your first thought to describe a ........... Council worker?

Window licker

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your never going to win a popularity contest if your having to close anything down because its viably impossible to keep running. It's ok saying don't privatize the railways etc but who pays for the upkeep? Roads will be next to go, they are a disgrace. Did all the labour lovers complain when they were closing rural schools and post offices?

surely the point is, if the private sector can run something at a profit that was making a loss in the public sector then its the management who are at fault and not the employees or the public investors ie me you and everybody else who paid tax`s, seems to me a few people stood to make a lot of money from privatisation rather than it being in the publics interest.

Still happens mate. What's your first thought to describe a ........... Council worker?

Window licker

And that's the bus driver

[walshie 2,804]

..and let's have a look at some of Maggie's other grand schemes..

 

Privatisation:

 

Was meant to make prices cheaper for the end users (us) by introducing competition to the sectors. Shares were available to buy by anybody, even 'Sid' down the road if you believed the TV adverts! In reality the shares were hoovered up by the rich and foreign governments and prices went through the roof ushering in the era of the fat cat.. We now pay a higher % of our incomes on energy than we ever have. Look at the railways too we currently subsidise the network with more money than we ever spent on it when we owned it, the difference now is that don't get any return on it..

 

Deregulation of the banks:

 

We're currently dealing with the shitstorm of that particular bollock drop now, no need to go into that further..

 

Signed away our rich fishing grounds to the rest of the EU, leaving our waters open to plunder by the Spanish trawling fleet and others who had decimated their own stocks.

 

And let's have a look at later governments' grand schemes.

 

Hunting ban.

 

Millions of immigrants claiming our tax money to keep themselves and their offspring in a life of luxury, and plenty more to come,.

 

A nanny state where you can't say what you think for fear of upsetting someone.

 

Toadying up to the IRA for a quiet life and giving them seats in Parliament - the same parliament they despise so much - and paying them.

 

Talk of gettng rid of Trident, ar a time we really don't want to be defenseless.

 

Many of you point out Maggie's bad points, but I think this country has been f*cked over much more by later P.Ms.and their legacies will haunt us for a lot longer.

 

Did I mention immigration?

[pritch 335]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what would you say her accomplishments has prime minister were gnash? .i personally believe she destroyed this country ,she changed the identity of great britain as it were .for ever .

I dont get into debates on subjects i dont know enough about and i really dont have a great knowledge or interest in politics Brookie........my simple point is the fact a grocers daughter reached the very highest level of her profession.............i admire that.

That said,do you think she left the country in a worse state than she found it then ?.......just out of interest like.

gnash i think she destroyed this country and its heritage .i firmly believe the countries like it is now because of what this woman did when she was in power

Think what the country was like before Thatcher, 3 day week, black outs, rubbish not collected.., Love or hate her she was firm in her beliefs and turned this country around economically plus she terrified what was left of the soviets and the rest of the world because they knew she'd push the button

 

Made Britain strong imo Labour came along and made us weak again Now give UKIP a chance

 

RIP Maggie

yes she destroyed all the industry in this country .she sold all the family silver as well .privatisation brought about huge price increasing .she destroyed communities and didnt give two fucks .about kids around the country starving to near death .she dressed soldiers up as filth and gave them free hand to batter working class men standing up for theyre jobs theyre homes and theyre families .she destroyed the unions as well .the same unions that would have not allowed all these tens of thousands of foreigners into our country taking all the jobs .why do you think theres an acute housing shortage in this country today .maggie did nothing good for this country and dont kid yourself that she did . theres thousands of penshioners today and children sitting in theyre houses freezing cold because they cannot afford the heating thanks to her privatising the energy companies .the poll tax .i could go on and on .but we will agree on one thing and thats ukip next for me

Unions ie scargill and his like caused the strikes face it they had too much power, pulled the wool over the workers eyes and Maggie saw through them and broke them. Unfortunately the workers were hoodwinked into the war by union cronies and became casualties.

 

Agree the housing shortage today is an impact from mass immigration but you want to look to Labour for that one.

 

Gas was really cheap until early 2000's remember? Why because we had reserves in the North Sea which thanks to privatisation we had the money invested to source it.

 

The lack of money now can be traced straight to Labour - Blair and his cronies. The last Conservative government handed over a country wealthy, powerful economically (Financial capital of the world), the pension fund was overflowing, the gold reserves were at their highest recorded, we had subsidised energy, unemployment was on the fall, I could go on.

 

Shroom

privatization why was gas,electric,water,bt council houses all sold at below the market

value & that financial capital has just brought the country to it's knees bailing it out, nowt

to do with any goverment other than they never regulated it tightly enough that's why it

happened world wide not just here the whole lot was a house of cards ffs

Because the investment needed to totally modernise Britains service's infrastructure was massive and nobody was going to pay full price for a company that would need the same amount again reinvested. Look at the internet, BT literally single handed took the UK into the next century.

a market price is a market price, you would have more money if you didn't sell below

the market price so why sell cheap,& where did all this money go what infrastructure

did we radically upgrade roads, rail, i don't think so

[Malt 379]

Imo Maggie's greatest strength was also her biggest weakness - the woman would not compromise. She applied her will to win at any cost, whether it was against the Argies, against the communists, in negotiations with the Irish, against a section of her own population, or even her own party. She was not prepared to meet anyone or anything halfway or make the slightest concession, and while she should be admired for it when compared to today's u turning, flip flopping politicians, she should also be remembered and hated for the lives that were destroyed along the way because of it.. You can't please everyone in life, that's a fact, but to destroy those who don't share your views ain't on either, especially if they're your own people..

[riohog 5,701]

ill say it again ,, the unions f..ked up the large industriues they got to greedy and put thereselves out of work the large companys were no longer competative the unions were bleeding them dry ,, ask anyone who worked in the shipyards on the clyde .lithgows employed fkn thousands of men . on both civil and military contracts they were never on time purly cos hundreds of men walking about with bits of paper in there hands all day doing fk all ,when they couldnt get any more contracts they blamed managment ,, and i guess preety much the same in the other major industries it was inevatable something would brake well before mrs thatcher came to power ,,

[decky 79]

NOTHING BUT AN OLE WHORE,SLUT AND b*****d.........

[pritch 335]

 

 

 

Thatcher wanted the pits closed, why? One thing I've never understood about all this, if there's so much coal why isn't someone mining it now?

They are mining it, did you it read that post that Paulus cross posted from Facebook? There is 300 years worth of the purest anthracite in the ground in my little area of Wales alone, and that's nothing compared to the S Wales valleys.. We were never a major coal producing region though, and our industry was gone long before Thatcher was even born. There are numerous theories as to why they closed the mines.. Spite, revenge, saving the coal until we run out of oil and are technologically advanced enough to use it to produce clean energy, but my personal view is that they were closed as a method of control to stop people standing up against the government in an organised protest movement. With the closure of the mines and other heavy industries, the working class people lost a massive rallying point that could be used to stand up against tyranny. They could no longer hold the government to account by withdrawing their labour. Think what damage a very organised and angry group of a few hundred thousand could do if they decided to descend on London en masse.. You saw with the riots a few years back what a few thousand (idiots) could do with a few messages sent to each other on Facebook, imagine what could have happened with 2 - 300,000 or more angry people with an axe to grind..

 

Thanks Malt.

 

Spite and revenge for what? I know why I believe she did it. But what is being claimed is that she came into power wanting an allegedly prosperous industry scrapped? That makes no sense to me.

 

I understand the fear the gov' had of the unions, but I think that's where we differ. I don't believe they deserved that power, it's dangerous. And imo Thatcher followed that belief, she knew they had to be crushed at any cost. The lesser of two evils.

 

As an aside, it's interesting to see what comes of our unconventional natural gas reserves (shale gas etc). The UK could be on the brink of a natural gas boom. The economy fecking needs it and the gov' want it.

why doe's it make no sense it's about power, in the unions people had power they vote

to strike. so how can the masses having power be wrong. now your forced to take any

shit they desire to hand out & the hunting bill is a prime example nobody took any action,

none just kept saying it's wrong was never going to do owt, they don't listen to owt you

have to say, coz you don't count but if you hit em in the pockets they soon sit up & feckin

listen & since she destroyed the unions the rich have got richer & the poor have got

poorer, fact

[mushroom 12,862]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what would you say her accomplishments has prime minister were gnash? .i personally believe she destroyed this country ,she changed the identity of great britain as it were .for ever .

I dont get into debates on subjects i dont know enough about and i really dont have a great knowledge or interest in politics Brookie........my simple point is the fact a grocers daughter reached the very highest level of her profession.............i admire that.

That said,do you think she left the country in a worse state than she found it then ?.......just out of interest like.

gnash i think she destroyed this country and its heritage .i firmly believe the countries like it is now because of what this woman did when she was in power

Think what the country was like before Thatcher, 3 day week, black outs, rubbish not collected.., Love or hate her she was firm in her beliefs and turned this country around economically plus she terrified what was left of the soviets and the rest of the world because they knew she'd push the button

 

Made Britain strong imo Labour came along and made us weak again Now give UKIP a chance

 

RIP Maggie

yes she destroyed all the industry in this country .she sold all the family silver as well .privatisation brought about huge price increasing .she destroyed communities and didnt give two fucks .about kids around the country starving to near death .she dressed soldiers up as filth and gave them free hand to batter working class men standing up for theyre jobs theyre homes and theyre families .she destroyed the unions as well .the same unions that would have not allowed all these tens of thousands of foreigners into our country taking all the jobs .why do you think theres an acute housing shortage in this country today .maggie did nothing good for this country and dont kid yourself that she did . theres thousands of penshioners today and children sitting in theyre houses freezing cold because they cannot afford the heating thanks to her privatising the energy companies .the poll tax .i could go on and on .but we will agree on one thing and thats ukip next for me

Unions ie scargill and his like caused the strikes face it they had too much power, pulled the wool over the workers eyes and Maggie saw through them and broke them. Unfortunately the workers were hoodwinked into the war by union cronies and became casualties.

 

Agree the housing shortage today is an impact from mass immigration but you want to look to Labour for that one.

 

Gas was really cheap until early 2000's remember? Why because we had reserves in the North Sea which thanks to privatisation we had the money invested to source it.

 

The lack of money now can be traced straight to Labour - Blair and his cronies. The last Conservative government handed over a country wealthy, powerful economically (Financial capital of the world), the pension fund was overflowing, the gold reserves were at their highest recorded, we had subsidised energy, unemployment was on the fall, I could go on.

 

Shroom

privatization why was gas,electric,water,bt council houses all sold at below the market

value & that financial capital has just brought the country to it's knees bailing it out, nowt

to do with any goverment other than they never regulated it tightly enough that's why it

happened world wide not just here the whole lot was a house of cards ffs

Because the investment needed to totally modernise Britains service's infrastructure was massive and nobody was going to pay full price for a company that would need the same amount again reinvested. Look at the internet, BT literally single handed took the UK into the next century.

a market price is a market price, you would have more money if you didn't sell below

the market price so why sell cheap,& where did all this money go what infrastructure

did we radically upgrade roads, rail, i don't think so

Actually the private sector did begin to upgrade the roads but they were contractors (remember Labour sacked majority of the road workers and outsourced everything to their cronie mates who owned companies like Morrisons, Balfor etc not Maggie's government) then Labour came in with new stupid legislations like all backfill from roadworks (remember they used to pile it next to the hole) was now classed as industrial waste and had to be removed when the work was finish new aggregate had to be sourced to fill the hole. Stupid things like that that cost money and eventually stall larger projects or increase the costs of the most basic ones.

 

The railways have had billions in upgrades since privatisation, Gas storage capacity has increased onland but so has offshore mapping to profile out next gas reserves all done by private firms, Electricity grid has been modernised to such an extent that the technology monitoring and controling it is akin to supercomputer level, very not cheap.

 

Tell ya what I'd wish for another Maggie type now, someone with backbone, conviction and the iron will to see it through instead of yes men terrified of upsetting someone in Europe or a bloody immigrant at home.

[Malt 379]

 

..and let's have a look at some of Maggie's other grand schemes..

Privatisation:

Was meant to make prices cheaper for the end users (us) by introducing competition to the sectors. Shares were available to buy by anybody, even 'Sid' down the road if you believed the TV adverts! In reality the shares were hoovered up by the rich and foreign governments and prices went through the roof ushering in the era of the fat cat.. We now pay a higher % of our incomes on energy than we ever have. Look at the railways too we currently subsidise the network with more money than we ever spent on it when we owned it, the difference now is that don't get any return on it..

Deregulation of the banks:

We're currently dealing with the shitstorm of that particular bollock drop now, no need to go into that further..

Signed away our rich fishing grounds to the rest of the EU, leaving our waters open to plunder by the Spanish trawling fleet and others who had decimated their own stocks.

And let's have a look at later governments' grand schemes.

 

Hunting ban.

 

 

 

Millions of immigrants claiming our tax money to keep themselves and their offspring in a life of luxury, and plenty more to come,.

 

A nanny state where you can't say what you think for fear of upsetting someone.

 

Toadying up to the IRA for a quiet life and giving them seats in Parliament - the same parliament they despise so much - and paying them.

 

Talk of gettng rid of Trident, ar a time we really don't want to be defenseless.

 

Many of you point out Maggie's bad points, but I think this country has been f*cked over much more by later P.Ms.and their legacies will haunt us for a lot longer.

 

Did I mention immigration?

I'm no f***ing fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

 

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

 

 

Thatcher wanted the pits closed, why? One thing I've never understood about all this, if there's so much coal why isn't someone mining it now?

They are mining it, did you it read that post that Paulus cross posted from Facebook? There is 300 years worth of the purest anthracite in the ground in my little area of Wales alone, and that's nothing compared to the S Wales valleys.. We were never a major coal producing region though, and our industry was gone long before Thatcher was even born. There are numerous theories as to why they closed the mines.. Spite, revenge, saving the coal until we run out of oil and are technologically advanced enough to use it to produce clean energy, but my personal view is that they were closed as a method of control to stop people standing up against the government in an organised protest movement. With the closure of the mines and other heavy industries, the working class people lost a massive rallying point that could be used to stand up against tyranny. They could no longer hold the government to account by withdrawing their labour. Think what damage a very organised and angry group of a few hundred thousand could do if they decided to descend on London en masse.. You saw with the riots a few years back what a few thousand (idiots) could do with a few messages sent to each other on Facebook, imagine what could have happened with 2 - 300,000 or more angry people with an axe to grind..

 

Thanks Malt.

 

Spite and revenge for what? I know why I believe she did it. But what is being claimed is that she came into power wanting an allegedly prosperous industry scrapped? That makes no sense to me.

 

I understand the fear the gov' had of the unions, but I think that's where we differ. I don't believe they deserved that power, it's dangerous. And imo Thatcher followed that belief, she knew they had to be crushed at any cost. The lesser of two evils.

 

As an aside, it's interesting to see what comes of our unconventional natural gas reserves (shale gas etc). The UK could be on the brink of a natural gas boom. The economy fecking needs it and the gov' want it.

why doe's it make no sense it's about power, in the unions people had power they vote

to strike. so how can the masses having power be wrong. now your forced to take any

shit they desire to hand out & the hunting bill is a prime example nobody took any action,

none just kept saying it's wrong was never going to do owt, they don't listen to owt you

have to say, coz you don't count but if you hit em in the pockets they soon sit up & feckin

listen & since she destroyed the unions the rich have got richer & the poor have got

poorer, fact

 

I didn't ask why she killed the unions did I, I asked why she wanted the pits closed if they were allegedly prosperous? I fully understand why she wanted the unions sorted out and I agree with her. But why, as has been claimed without evidence, did she want the coal industry done with before she came into power? It makes no sense!

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

..and let's have a look at some of Maggie's other grand schemes..

Privatisation:

Was meant to make prices cheaper for the end users (us) by introducing competition to the sectors. Shares were available to buy by anybody, even 'Sid' down the road if you believed the TV adverts! In reality the shares were hoovered up by the rich and foreign governments and prices went through the roof ushering in the era of the fat cat.. We now pay a higher % of our incomes on energy than we ever have. Look at the railways too we currently subsidise the network with more money than we ever spent on it when we owned it, the difference now is that don't get any return on it..

Deregulation of the banks:

We're currently dealing with the shitstorm of that particular bollock drop now, no need to go into that further..

Signed away our rich fishing grounds to the rest of the EU, leaving our waters open to plunder by the Spanish trawling fleet and others who had decimated their own stocks.

And let's have a look at later governments' grand schemes.

 

Hunting ban.

 

 

 

Millions of immigrants claiming our tax money to keep themselves and their offspring in a life of luxury, and plenty more to come,.

 

A nanny state where you can't say what you think for fear of upsetting someone.

 

Toadying up to the IRA for a quiet life and giving them seats in Parliament - the same parliament they despise so much - and paying them.

 

Talk of gettng rid of Trident, ar a time we really don't want to be defenseless.

 

Many of you point out Maggie's bad points, but I think this country has been f*cked over much more by later P.Ms.and their legacies will haunt us for a lot longer.

 

Did I mention immigration?

I'm no f*****g fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

 

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

 

Wasn't aimed at you personally mate. I know this is a thread about Maggie (God Bless Her). I was just pointing out she was not THE worst thing this country has seen or will see.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

I'm no f*****g fan of the governments that came after her either Walshie, but this is a thread about Maggie..

 

Only people calling for the scrapping Trident are the lib Dems BTW, can't really recall any government considering otherwise..

 

The current labour lot want to look at 'alternatives', which lets face it means anything you can strap a warhead to that's cheaper. It's a dangerous game to play. There are a lot of options but really we can't budge from what we have so any talk of 'other options' to me is just a sly way of tricking people into effectively getting rid.