'brambledale' Bearded Collies

[Neoleaver 55]

I was online last night researching the working type beardie, and came across the Brambledale site. This lady's been breeding them for 50 years, and been using working studs in her line since the late 60's( back when the difference beteen the working and show types wasn't so huge) Anyhow cut a long story short, she got sick of the show type branching so far from the original standard and eventually gave up trying to swim against the tide and stopped registering her dogs with the KC, and said she found it impossible to find the working type studs anymore anyhow amongst the registered dogs. The dogs she has now look like absolute crackers especially the photo's of the four she kept back from a 2010 litter by Briery Glen (see 'Glen's Babies' and 'two tens cont.' on the site). But, as we all know there's a lot more to a dog's makeup than the way it looks, but to be fair the lass seems to have been trying to breed the right working temperament as much as anything. Now I dont know the lady or have the slightest idea whether this lady is 'anti' lurcher work( which is why I havent put any pictures up), or if any of her dogs have ever contributed to the lurcher gene pool. So it would be good to know if anyone has had any contact with her or better still, experience of her line in their working lurchers (before I get 100 decibel, 'anti' tirade over the phone!).

 

If you fancy just having a look and bestowing me with your wisdom I'd appreciate the input. If your wit and imagination only stretches to 'beerdys r shit' then dont f****n bother.

 

Cheers lads.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Neoleaver

[wuyang 513]

Shame colliecurs is not allowing anybody on at the moment, I have no sway on who they allow on etc, but I will mention it to them for you. No guarantees though.

Edited April 7, 2013 by wuyang

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

I've just been looking at those on youtube. They certainly seem to have herding instinct, however all the vids I found showed them herding "tame" sheep. ie sheep which naturally gathered round a human. It would be interesting to see what they'd do with a wild mountain ewe which doesn't want to be gathered.

I'm not knocking them by the way, they looked OK to my inexperienced eye.

[Neoleaver 55]

I've just been looking at those on youtube. They certainly seem to have herding instinct, however all the vids I found showed them herding "tame" sheep. ie sheep which naturally gathered round a human. It would be interesting to see what they'd do with a wild mountain ewe which doesn't want to be gathered.

I'm not knocking them by the way, they looked OK to my inexperienced eye.

Good point mate, would be interesting to know if there are any out there doing a job of work rather than trials.

[forest of dean redneck 11,824]

Heart of Wales either had working Beardie/border cross,when he bred the shepherd x greyhound litter.

I'm sure he had couple pups on here for £50 each, few year back.

 

Edit here's was ad in 2007

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/18200-sheepdog-puppies-for-sale/

Edited April 7, 2013 by forest of dean redneck

[Neoleaver 55]

Heart of Wales either had working Beardie/border cross,when he bred the shepherd x greyhound litter.

I'm sure he had couple pups on here for £50 each, few year back.

 

Edit here's was ad in 2007

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/18200-sheepdog-puppies-for-sale/

Looking for info/experience/opinions on the particular line of Bearded Collie I mentioned bud, but thanks all the same. atb.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Neoleaver

[darbo 4,776]

 

Heart of Wales either had working Beardie/border cross,when he bred the shepherd x greyhound litter.

I'm sure he had couple pups on here for £50 each, few year back.

 

Edit here's was ad in 2007

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/18200-sheepdog-puppies-for-sale/

Looking for info/experience/opinions on the particular line of Bearded Collie I mentioned bud, but thanks all the same. atb.

Give Magpie a pm of here. he knows his stuff regarding beardies. i dont think he is on much but he may be able to help you. atb.

Also have a look at the website www.shepherds with beardies if you already havent done so. information on beardies which are worked in england, scotland,and wales also information on history breeding etc.

Edited April 8, 2013 by darbo

[Neoleaver 55]

 

 

Heart of Wales either had working Beardie/border cross,when he bred the shepherd x greyhound litter.

I'm sure he had couple pups on here for £50 each, few year back.

 

Edit here's was ad in 2007

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/18200-sheepdog-puppies-for-sale/

Looking for info/experience/opinions on the particular line of Bearded Collie I mentioned bud, but thanks all the same. atb.

Give Magpie a pm of here. he knows his stuff regarding beardies. i dont think he is on much but he may be able to help you. atb.

Also have a look at the website www.shepherds with beardies if you already havent done so. information on beardies which are worked in england, scotland,and wales also information on history breeding etc.

Aye seen the website darbo, spoke to magpie via email too, the type he's breeding looks very useful, right up my street. Toying with the idea of a pure working beardie for ferreting, bushing etc, would like a gh x but there a bit thin on the ground unless you're prepared to throw the dice on a hancock. Seen good ones and not so good (my hancock border x was a goodun but came from a third party). The idea with the pure beardie would be to put it over a gh or grew eventually to get something more capable. But I'd skip that stage if a good home bred x litter came up. Cheers darbo atb mate.

[darbo 4,776]

No problem mate.Got a beardy half cross in 1989 from Hancock.He lived 17 years best temp of any dog ive owned a real honest dog not a world beater but he did his best for me. ive got great memorys of the dog. Good luck with the next pup you get .

[Neoleaver 55]

looks like a canny owd bugger darbo! Had another look at the shepherdswibeardies site, and the brambledales are mentioned relating to some genuine working studs being used on her bitches. Looks like for the last few generations at least they're pukka working types....cheers pal, atb.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Nice to see some interest being shown, in the old style jukels..

Edited April 8, 2013 by CHALKWARREN

[foresterj 1,096]

Is that to say that hancocks beardie studs arent working bred or the dams you're not keen on? The size of the genepool in modern beardies there is a distinct possibility you would be looking at linked stock anyway.each to their own but I'd personally be shy of using merle beardies, I wasn't aware they carried the gene, that seem predominantly aimed at pet buyers with an interest in agility obedience etc, there is still genuine stuff out there doing stock work as their primary role.granted they take a bit of finding.alternatively they may produce marvellous workers an I may just be talking bollocks, you pays ya money ya takes ya choice! Atb

Edited April 8, 2013 by foresterj

[beast 1,884]

i wont put her name, but the lady who breeds the brambledale collies is a main member of the working bearded collie society. this group have basically unregistered beardies which come from working lines BUT are not bred for work, nor selected for working ability. they are essentially pets which do a bit of obedience/agility/dancind etc and although their owners do like to try them with a few sheep for a bit of fun they are NOT sheepdogs. just go to one of their meets and you will see what i mean. they are friendly, welcoming people but are not working dog people, and i dont mean that to be insulting to them. if you really want a working beardie stud, there are more working beardies about than you might think, you might just have to put a few miles in to find them. the website shepherds with beardies is a good place to start, as the man said

[Neoleaver 55]

Is that to say that hancocks beardie studs arent working bred or the dams you're not keen on? The size of the genepool in modern beardies there is a distinct possibility you would be looking at linked stock anyway.each to their own but I'd personally be shy of using merle beardies, I wasn't aware they carried the gene, that seem predominantly aimed at pet buyers with an interest in agility obedience etc, there is still genuine stuff out there doing stock work as their primary role.granted they take a bit of finding.alternatively they may produce marvellous workers an I may just be talking bollocks, you pays ya money ya takes ya choice! Atb

Alright mate, Ive been looking into this 'limited gene pool' thing and you are right, the KC registered variety started of with a very small number that they decided 'fitted' the breed sandard (that they invented) there were actually a lot of em about at the time but this breed club put it about that beardies were dying out, which was bollocks frankly. It was just that most of them didn't fit the 'ideal type' they had in mind. Now a lot of the foreign breed clubs are allowing outcrosses to working types to try and broaden the gene base, but not the UK (they'd have to throw away their hair curlers, and top knot ribbons).

[Neoleaver 55]

i wont put her name, but the lady who breeds the brambledale collies is a main member of the working bearded collie society. this group have basically unregistered beardies which come from working lines BUT are not bred for work, nor selected for working ability. they are essentially pets which do a bit of obedience/agility/dancind etc and although their owners do like to try them with a few sheep for a bit of fun they are NOT sheepdogs. just go to one of their meets and you will see what i mean. they are friendly, welcoming people but are not working dog people, and i dont mean that to be insulting to them. if you really want a working beardie stud, there are more working beardies about than you might think, you might just have to put a few miles in to find them. the website shepherds with beardies is a good place to start, as the man said

Cheers fella, thats the kind of info I was looking for. Sort of suspected that might be the case.