Waz 4,262 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 What crime exactly are they investigating? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Also looking at it another way - the forces of law an order, just tried to black mail you into removing something you have every legal right to display, by insinuating that they will try to get your kids taken off you . . . . and all because someone personally does not like it. Discrimination and bullying. That's border line illegal i would think? Agree with all of what you have said mate...but... Although its a given that with legal representation and the right support a situation like this would almost certainly blow up in the OB/social services faces and cause them a lot of embarrassment etc... would I really as a parent put my family through a situation with that much stress and potentially a couple of nights stay in foster home (you never know!) for the sake of having a picture up on facebook. Its a tough one between doing whats right and just keeping your head down to avoid the arse ache. I am careful with how I put pictures up on facebook for this sort of reason, I know there are people on my friends list that are either anti or border line (that I cannot remove for various reasons) i never post or even take any photos of nights lamping or the like. The only hunting photos I have on facebook are little ferreting trips with the kids and even then the only people on my friends list i allow to see it are about 20 or so people that I hunt with and so I know are pro hunting and that album just acts as a dumping ground for all kids fishing/hunting/ferreting trips. I have another album full of dog walks and such but only the people that I know are into either pet or working dogs have access to it. May be an idea to just put a complaint in now that you have removed the photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Wasn't there something similar on Rabbiters a couple of years ago? I would speak to the BASC or whichever organisation you are a member of, and ask about lodging a formal complaint about their behaviour. No need for heavy handed tactics, or brow beating you into doing what they want if you haven't broken any laws. Most of the shooting kids I've met have grown up to be the most well adjusted and sensible people in society. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Also looking at it another way - the forces of law an order, just tried to black mail you into removing something you have every legal right to display, by insinuating that they will try to get your kids taken off you . . . . and all because someone personally does not like it. Discrimination and bullying. That's border line illegal i would think? Agree with all of what you have said mate...but... Although its a given that with legal representation and the right support a situation like this would almost certainly blow up in the OB/social services faces and cause them a lot of embarrassment etc... would I really as a parent put my family through a situation with that much stress and potentially a couple of nights stay in foster home (you never know!) for the sake of having a picture up on facebook. Its a tough one between doing whats right and just keeping your head down to avoid the arse ache. I am careful with how I put pictures up on facebook for this sort of reason, I know there are people on my friends list that are either anti or border line (that I cannot remove for various reasons) i never post or even take any photos of nights lamping or the like. The only hunting photos I have on facebook are little ferreting trips with the kids and even then the only people on my friends list i allow to see it are about 20 or so people that I hunt with and so I know are pro hunting and that album just acts as a dumping ground for all kids fishing/hunting/ferreting trips. I have another album full of dog walks and such but only the people that I know are into either pet or working dogs have access to it. May be an idea to just put a complaint in now that you have removed the photo MMy greatest argument is that they are using mis information and bullying in order to censor something which someone has every right to display on their private social media. It's insinuating that country sports etc are unsavoury and somehow damaging to children if they are involved. R.E socisl services, i know for a FACT that they could and would not remove a child from the familly home simply because they were brought up around legally owned fire arms, and taken out shooting with them, legally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Also looking at it another way - the forces of law an order, just tried to black mail you into removing something you have every legal right to display, by insinuating that they will try to get your kids taken off you . . . . and all because someone personally does not like it. Discrimination and bullying. That's border line illegal i would think? Agree with all of what you have said mate...but... Although its a given that with legal representation and the right support a situation like this would almost certainly blow up in the OB/social services faces and cause them a lot of embarrassment etc... would I really as a parent put my family through a situation with that much stress and potentially a couple of nights stay in foster home (you never know!) for the sake of having a picture up on facebook. Its a tough one between doing whats right and just keeping your head down to avoid the arse ache. I am careful with how I put pictures up on facebook for this sort of reason, I know there are people on my friends list that are either anti or border line (that I cannot remove for various reasons) i never post or even take any photos of nights lamping or the like. The only hunting photos I have on facebook are little ferreting trips with the kids and even then the only people on my friends list i allow to see it are about 20 or so people that I hunt with and so I know are pro hunting and that album just acts as a dumping ground for all kids fishing/hunting/ferreting trips. I have another album full of dog walks and such but only the people that I know are into either pet or working dogs have access to it. May be an idea to just put a complaint in now that you have removed the photo Social Services are snowed under and over worked. As much as they work with the police they would look at what the police have and make their own decisions and don't like any pressure from the police. They have to be proportionate in their actions and are more under the microscope than the police so will be more careful when making a decision. Also because the police spoke to WXM without cautioning him and making him aware of his rights and that there was to be no follow up action my bet is they strong armed him to gain a clearance of a complaint in their bosses eyes. SS would need a court order and would have to show evidence of risk and explain why it wasn't done before. My guess is that SS would tell the police to shove their big can of worms. It's a big bag of shite and I bet if the police knew what was being discussed about them on this forum and the advice being handed out they would be wishing they handled it differently. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wxm 1,638 Posted April 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I've given Clive a call and he's said that the law are or getting harder on images with children with any sort of offensive weapons / guns and its not worth the hassle. His advise was to keep the like pictures away from the public eye and I shouldn't here nothing from them but the SS may be in touch. I think I'm just going to leave sleeping dogs lie due to the fact of having to much on at the minute and could do with out something else. But if for any reason I have the SS coming in giving me and my family shite then I will seek legal advise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,118 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 For what its worth i think you did the right thing taking the pictures down..........for the sake of a quiet life its hardly worth the hassle.......risk/reward......is the risk ( plod on your case ) worth the reward ( a few pictures on a website ). 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Also looking at it another way - the forces of law an order, just tried to black mail you into removing something you have every legal right to display, by insinuating that they will try to get your kids taken off you . . . . and all because someone personally does not like it. Discrimination and bullying. That's border line illegal i would think? Agree with all of what you have said mate...but... Although its a given that with legal representation and the right support a situation like this would almost certainly blow up in the OB/social services faces and cause them a lot of embarrassment etc... would I really as a parent put my family through a situation with that much stress and potentially a couple of nights stay in foster home (you never know!) for the sake of having a picture up on facebook. Its a tough one between doing whats right and just keeping your head down to avoid the arse ache. I am careful with how I put pictures up on facebook for this sort of reason, I know there are people on my friends list that are either anti or border line (that I cannot remove for various reasons) i never post or even take any photos of nights lamping or the like. The only hunting photos I have on facebook are little ferreting trips with the kids and even then the only people on my friends list i allow to see it are about 20 or so people that I hunt with and so I know are pro hunting and that album just acts as a dumping ground for all kids fishing/hunting/ferreting trips. I have another album full of dog walks and such but only the people that I know are into either pet or working dogs have access to it. May be an idea to just put a complaint in now that you have removed the photo MMy greatest argument is that they are using mis information and bullying in order to censor something which someone has every right to display on their private social media. It's insinuating that country sports etc are unsavoury and somehow damaging to children if they are involved. R.E socisl services, i know for a FACT that they could and would not remove a child from the familly home simply because they were brought up around legally owned fire arms, and taken out shooting with them, legally. Your totally right of course and I know they cant just storm in and take your kids (even though i know my post hints to the contrary) .. by rights a stand should be made, what I am trying to say is that they can potentially put you through a lot of stress while your busy making a stance etc and if you get a copper that is very direct in their views and starts throwing stuff about SS around then it would take someone very confident in their own rights to stand their ground in this position. Its very easy when your talking about your kids to weigh up the risk of keeping it up there and making a stance and opting for the easier life and removing it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coley_airgunner 14 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 had a phone call of the police this morning asking for me and i said yeah that's me so he said just letting you know we're on our way down, (bit of an arse twitchier wondering wtf's up). they arrived and came in (arse still twitching), we've had reports that you have inappropriate pictures on your facebook profile so i asked what pictures and its hunting photo's of trips out with my 2 lads, holding dispatched game and the other holding my gun. they said its a serious matter and social services could be involved if it keeps up or i refuse to remove the pics so i removed them but advised them the pictures were taken on permission, its not against the law and in no way were they in danger ! i also told them that id rather them be into hunting and shooting rather than braking the law and getting in to pinching or drinking or some other illegal activity. but he said that's not the issue here and the problem is that the pictures were inappropriate and they are concerned in the welfare of the kids being brought up around guns there was no way in winning an argument with them so, just a word of warning and learn from my mistakes. WATCH WHAT YOU PUT ON HERE AND THE LIKES OF FACEBOOK what is the world coming to my mate was showing me some sick porn going around facefook on his phone other day and the pigs are bothering with this shit im gunna put some pics on there now see if they comaknocking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 clives stuffing buns dwn his neck hes fulla brad pitt. lazy fcker doesnt wana do anything unless hes getting well payed for it, make the complaint you never broke the law if everyone bowed down to it then everybodys gona accept it as law when clearly its not. the police need correcting on this one and ss wont need to be contacted as theres no crime. if the police are to uphold the law then they need to be taught more what the laws are and not some hear say nonesence 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 I hope the 'outdoor kids' thread doesnt get pulled because of this.... One of the best threads on here Be a shame to see it gone.... It amazes be how a lot pf police dont know the law in regards to hunting... With statements from police officers like..... 'Your lucky im a shooter, i know rabbiting with dogs is illegal' And 'I dont know the laws regarding ferreting...and i dont care, im here to take your details BUT....im not happy about how legal the, dogs are' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Kinell lol that's fecked. The mrs has a pic of her grandad holding a dead rabbit and a .410 wonder if they'd try and do her Edited to say her grandad was 3 at the time had visions of someone around 110 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,918 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Kinell lol that's fecked. The mrs has a pic of her grandad holding a dead rabbit and a .410 wonder if they'd try and do her Edited to say her grandad was 3 at the time had visions of someone around 110 pmsl that's what I thought when I reread it.... "better clarify it" :laugh: Jesus I've posted pics in the past when my eldest was 6 holding rabbits she'd shot they have another thing coming if they think I'd ever remove them, she's doubly proud and rightly so they were her first kills. So to the filth and social services suck my plums Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brucemyster 75 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Sounds to me like some ones got a grudge and a friend on the force, a friend of mine had a colleague at work refuse to work with her as she did beating on her days off, fortunately her boss didn't entertain her colleagues wishes to change shifts so she had to put up and shut up but it just shows that the antis are out there and need no excuse to have a moan, unfortunately in this case they found a sympathetic ear. I've got pictures of me and my grandkids fishing on Facebook and it won't be long before the eldest one comes beating and eventually shooting, my profile picture on here is the same one I use on Facebook. I think this confirms the nanny state has taken another step toward making us all bound in cotton wool nancys next they'll be banning competitive sports in schools, oh sorry to late!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,918 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Sounds to me like some ones got a grudge and a friend on the force, a friend of mine had a colleague at work refuse to work with her as she did beating on her days off, fortunately her boss didn't entertain her colleagues wishes to change shifts so she had to put up and shut up but it just shows that the antis are out there and need no excuse to have a moan, unfortunately in this case they found a sympathetic ear. I've got pictures of me and my grandkids fishing on Facebook and it won't be long before the eldest one comes beating and eventually shooting, my profile picture on here is the same one I use on Facebook. I think this confirms the nanny state has taken another step toward making us all bound in cotton wool nancys next they'll be banning competitive sports in schools, oh sorry to late!! Really piisses me off in the rest of Europe they have an elightened attitude. I've said it before on here but I have seen people walking through Barcelona, getting on/off the metro/train carrying Guns and dead quarry noone bats a feckin eyelid, do that in a city in the UK and you'll be lucky to get home alive. Nanny state indeed; run by criminals and enforced by ignorantofthelaw numpties. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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