mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Is the dog insured? If so, ask for a referral to the Animal Health Trust. They specialise in all sorts of weird problems> when one of my bitches had meningitis as a pup my vets had never seen it before, but the AHT said it wasn't that uncommon in large breed young dogs. They have world experts on all sorts at that place: well worth seeing if they can get to the bottom of it. Having said that, my pup wasn't insured, and cost me over a grand nearly 17 years ago , but she was worth every penny as she went on to have a long and happy life and produced some decent offspring. http://www.aht.org.uk/cms-display/sa.html Im in Barcelona love bit of a mooch No the dog is not insured I have spent a bloody fortune so far but said it before spilt milk/stable door horse bolted etc I will give them a call today maybe I can send all the results from the blood/urine, x-ray, ultrasound and pay over the phone for them to at least look over them. the only results at the moment I'm waiting for are the nutrient absorption rates. Thanks Penny Anybody else don't be shy if you have a suggestion Shroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Is he passing normal pee and poo ? If his body is processing food normally, then is his body not " using" it correctly ? or as Sandymere suggested, is it an autoimmune thing and he isn't using the nutrients - although I would have thought ( but not 100% sure ) white blood cell count to have shown that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Sandy not sure about the calcium I'll be speaking with the vet tomorrow so I'll ask Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out jelly like stools can be caused when the lining of the stomach becomes inflamed/irritated this can be caused by corn or wheat in its diet have you tried bland old rice and chicken? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobby blackheart 1,209 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 have they checked theres nothing stuck inside his stomach-had a dog get lamb bone in the side wall and he was very ill they missed it first time. atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out jelly like stools can be caused when the lining of the stomach becomes inflamed/irritated this can be caused by corn or wheat in its diet have you tried bland old rice and chicken? Aye at the moment he's getting a small amount of pasta mixed in with a large amount of rice, fresh veg (and some fruit), tuna and sardines (with Olive oil) bit of salt. I blend all this together with water and feed through a syringe at intervals plus I'm also giving 500g fresh mince split throughout the day. From what I can see there is no corn in his diet and minimal wheat in there (the small amount of pasta would be the only source). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 have they checked theres nothing stuck inside his stomach-had a dog get lamb bone in the side wall and he was very ill they missed it first time. atb Nah mate he's had full body x-rays and a full body ultrasound surely a bone or obstruction would show up somewhere (I did ask several times and was assured no) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Just to add the fecker is starving and has an appetite. He is more than capable of eating on his own, you show the fec a biscuit and watch him come running Edited April 10, 2013 by mushroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out jelly like stools can be caused when the lining of the stomach becomes inflamed/irritated this can be caused by corn or wheat in its diet have you tried bland old rice and chicken? Aye at the moment he's getting a small amount of pasta mixed in with a large amount of rice, fresh veg (and some fruit), tuna and sardines (with Olive oil) bit of salt. I blend all this together with water and feed through a syringe at intervals plus I'm also giving 500g fresh mince split throughout the day. From what I can see there is no corn in his diet and minimal wheat in there (the small amount of pasta would be the only source). pasta is made from wheat :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,268 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out jelly like stools can be caused when the lining of the stomach becomes inflamed/irritated this can be caused by corn or wheat in its diet have you tried bland old rice and chicken? Aye at the moment he's getting a small amount of pasta mixed in with a large amount of rice, fresh veg (and some fruit), tuna and sardines (with Olive oil) bit of salt. I blend all this together with water and feed through a syringe at intervals plus I'm also giving 500g fresh mince split throughout the day. From what I can see there is no corn in his diet and minimal wheat in there (the small amount of pasta would be the only source). pasta is made from wheat :laugh: Can you bloody read lol it says pasta and yes wheat in the same sentence :laugh: I'm giving less than a handful of the twists each day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobby blackheart 1,209 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 have they checked theres nothing stuck inside his stomach-had a dog get lamb bone in the side wall and he was very ill they missed it first time. atb Nah mate he's had full body x-rays and a full body ultrasound surely a bone or obstruction would show up somewhere (I did ask several times and was assured no) only takes a tiny fragment 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Not really my field but I’d be inclined to second socks in the first instance as the symptoms you describe sound about right for pancreatitis, I take the bloods were negative for this? A couple of points, an enlarged pancreas and spleen can be linked, in pancreatitis the pancreas becomes enlarged and can, not uncommonly, press on the blood vessel that drains the spleen, this reduces out flow causing it over fill and swell. Also pancreatitis can be linked to gastritis. Lastly the physical symptoms of digestive problems and declination to eat would also fit. Did they check the calcium? You could discuss with your vet trying a diet for pancreatitis for a time to see if it eases symptoms. An alternative diagnosis are multitude and would include an on going gastrointestinal infection causing a more generalised inflammation, sometimes these types of bugs can go on for a long time but one would expect bloods to show indication of infection. Next would be an autoimmune type problem or a chronic inflammation of the gastric tract, something like an IBS or gastritis ? poisoning but again most would show changes in bloods in one form or another. Is the dogs abdo tender or does it have a slightly hunched stance when it has eaten? Is there jelly type stuff in the stools? Has it passed any blood or black stools? Recheck the urine, is there still blood, a secondary urine infection could muddy the waters. Sometimes the vet needs to go back and reconsider the possibilities when nothing shows and think about treating symptomology as well as test results. Hope it settles s. Hi Sandy Ok.... Jelly type crap in er the crap yes sometimes and not a lot but noticeable. Absolutely no pain or tenderness showing but this dog is a nob when it comes to pain as in the bugger doesn't seem to show it, but the lack of has been confirmed by umpteen vet visits complete with pokes prods. As mentioned he's on mild antis and omeprazol? (something for the stomach) this is for the mild Gastritis. Since Socks mentioned Pacreatitis I had a word with the vet and he doesn't think this is the issue but I have been feeding him a diet akin to one fed to a dog with it. No black poos just dark ones sometimes and not often. Lara His poos are soft but not liquid. His pee seems normal just maybe pees a little more than I would expect given the amount of water he drinks (I've been measuring everything everyday so I know where I'm at). Diabetes has been ruled out jelly like stools can be caused when the lining of the stomach becomes inflamed/irritated this can be caused by corn or wheat in its diet have you tried bland old rice and chicken? Aye at the moment he's getting a small amount of pasta mixed in with a large amount of rice, fresh veg (and some fruit), tuna and sardines (with Olive oil) bit of salt. I blend all this together with water and feed through a syringe at intervals plus I'm also giving 500g fresh mince split throughout the day. From what I can see there is no corn in his diet and minimal wheat in there (the small amount of pasta would be the only source). pasta is made from wheat :laugh: Can you bloody read lol it says pasta and yes wheat in the same sentence :laugh: I'm giving less than a handful of the twists each day might be worth knocking the pasta on the head for a while and see if it makes a difference, dogs dont need carbs like we do anyway, i use it more a s a filler in spring and summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 An inflammation that has stripped the villi from the lining of the gut ? kind of like Crohns in people ? often associated with wheat intolerance 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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