Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) A good question by Baw. Edited March 28, 2013 by CHALKWARREN 4 Quote Link to post
Sirius 1,391 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) to get a lurcher to work both day and night and do it proper i like my dogs to work with ferrets and push its game up day but turn off at night and do a shift nice to have one dog that can do the both not many dogs will do both as if they hunt up day time they do it at night or some will say but if fetched up on both they will learn both knowing when to keep the head or put it down is a clever dog if it takes to it quick it is some thing i do with my dogs its a must why have two dogs one for day and one for night when one can do both jobs Isn't that called having a lurcher? It's what i would expect any dog to do, a bit of everything and hopefully do most of well. yes mate but a lot do not do a bit of every thing through lack of time spent with the dog or the mind set of a day dog only and a lamp dog only that is what i can not get my head round why have a dog for one thing when most will do both if time is spent with the dog I have always felt to get the best out of a dog you need it with you as much as possible (not just hunting) and when you are hunting give it a go at al sorts even the impromptu hunts on a rat round a barn or squirrelling with an air gun, its all experience and socialisation. I am lucky I have my dog with me 24-7. Edited March 28, 2013 by Sirius 3 Quote Link to post
baw 4,360 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Well,.its a beautiful crisp, sunny morning,..and I have 100 + mole traps out,..and a van with a fecked Turbo,.sitting in my mates garage,.waiting for some surgery.... What a waste of a cracking good day.... Fecking shite.. A good question by Baw.... Personaly,..having killed tens of thousands of rabbits,...and etc, etc... Where my sport is concerned,..I would now rather have quality over quantity I enjoy mouching around with a knowing sort of canine,...a dog that has been given a full and complete education, and which knows the score..If out on a wander,.I like to catch and kill, anything that is hunted up by my dog,...I don't care what it is.... If it is salable,.then all the better.. As anyone who does it will attest, working on jobs and rabbiting contracts, calls for a fair degree of tractability from your dog,..it is no damn use turning up on an Estate or Farm with an out of control, mean machine, do or die merchant,...or the day will often be kinda short... On a paying job,..there is much to consider, and it is not just about killing the quarry,..there is a wee bit more to it than that BUT,..for the rest of the time ,..unburdened by the constraints of having to earn some vonga,.the craic is what really counts. I like to get a lurcher pup out real early,..straight after his jabs...there is so much to learn and become familiar with. "Mother Nature is a harsh and sometimes, unforgiving schoolmarm",.so best get to it,.asap.. Cracking post as always chalky, your such a gent. Never gave it much thought regarding you guys who earn a crust at this game. Without starting a riot lol, what breed of lurcher do you think works best for you mate given it could be needed to do several different jobs a week? Just a good old fashioned lurcher to lurcher or any of the % ones? I agree with you regarding getting a dog out as soon as jagged. I like to have a pup fairly trained even before its jags. Just the basics like stay, fetch the socks lolJump over my leg etc. everything should be a game and fun Quote Link to post
baw 4,360 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 to get a lurcher to work both day and night and do it proper i like my dogs to work with ferrets and push its game up day but turn off at night and do a shift nice to have one dog that can do the both not many dogs will do both as if they hunt up day time they do it at night or some will say but if fetched up on both they will learn both knowing when to keep the head or put it down is a clever dog if it takes to it quick it is some thing i do with my dogs its a must why have two dogs one for day and one for night when one can do both jobs Isn't that called having a lurcher? It's what i would expect any dog to do, a bit of everything and hopefully do most of well. yes mate but a lot do not do a bit of every thing through lack of time spent with the dog or the mind set of a day dog only and a lamp dog only that is what i can not get my head round why have a dog for one thing when most will do both if time is spent with the dog I have always felt to get the best out of a dog you need it with you as much as possible (not just hunting) and when you are hunting give it a go at al sorts even the impromptu hunts on a rat round a barn or squirrelling with an air gun, its all experience and socialisation. I am lucky I have my dog with me 24-7. A strong bond is a must Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Hello Baw,... Personaly,..I prefer a lurcher that exhibits the traits of a pastoral type... I don't need a herder,... ..but,.I do require a fair amount of tractability and obedience from a canine helper. Some lads become bogged down with all this Collie Lurcher business. This has possibly occurred, due to the plethora of literature that has been penned, extolling their virtues, over the last few decades. I prefer a canny lurcher,.one that can twig onto a situation, sort things out and react accordingly,... I need a worker that can cast out, hunt up and find his own quarry ... My business, at certain times of the year, is in the control of rabbits.. I sometimes strike lucky and get invites, to work alongside other guys in different parts of the UK,.but, it is all down to finances and what a job can pay, and how many mouths it is capable of feeding,.. There is only so much money going around,..so,.I mostly work solo,.or call in a few old local lads. Much of my work is in woodland...and in my opinion,..as far as rabbiting is concerned,..I find that hunting and working, in dark woodland brash and fallen timber, to be the most awkward kind of running ground for a lurcher. Some take to it, and survive, whilst others cannot slow down mentally, and more importantly, physically, and suffer accordingly. In conclusion,.I like a quickish kinda cur, that tries when he has to, and hangs back when it is safer to do so... Not the ideal mix for most lads,...I do know this,...but there ya go... Edited March 28, 2013 by CHALKWARREN 3 Quote Link to post
bird 9,916 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Well,.its a beautiful crisp, sunny morning,..and I have 100 + mole traps out,..and a van with a fecked Turbo,.sitting in my mates garage,.waiting for some surgery.... What a waste of a cracking good day.... Fecking shite.. A good question by Baw.... Personaly,..having killed tens of thousands of rabbits,...and etc, etc... Where my sport is concerned,..I would now rather have quality over quantity I enjoy mouching around with a knowing sort of canine,...a dog that has been given a full and complete education, and which knows the score..If out on a wander,.I like to catch and kill, anything that is hunted up by my dog,...I don't care what it is.... If it is salable,.then all the better.. As anyone who does it will attest, working on jobs and rabbiting contracts, calls for a fair degree of tractability from your dog,..it is no damn use turning up on an Estate or Farm with an out of control, mean machine, do or die merchant,...or the day will often be kinda short... On a paying job,..there is much to consider, and it is not just about killing the quarry,..there is a wee bit more to it than that BUT,..for the rest of the time ,..unburdened by the constraints of having to earn some vonga,.the craic is what really counts. I like to get a lurcher pup out real early,..straight after his jabs...there is so much to learn and become familiar with. "Mother Nature is a harsh and sometimes, unforgiving schoolmarm",.so best get to it,.asap.. spot on mate , and having a dog with good eye sight helps, knowing the differnce from a 30lb b/w and a feckin 2lb rabbit have to get Bryn eyes checked lol Quote Link to post
baw 4,360 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Hello Baw,... Personaly,..I prefer a lurcher that exhibits the traits of a pastoral type... I don't need a herder,... ..but,.I do require a fair amount of tractability and obedience from a canine helper. Some lads become bogged down with all this Collie Lurcher business. This has possibly occurred, due to the plethora of literature that has been penned, extolling their virtues, over the last few decades. I prefer a canny lurcher,.one that can twig onto a situation, sort things out and react accordingly,... I need a worker that can cast out, hunt up and find his own quarry ... My business, at certain times of the year, is in the control of rabbits.. I sometimes strike lucky and get invites, to work alongside other guys in different parts of the UK,.but, it is all down to finances and what a job can pay, and how many mouths it is capable of feeding,.. There is only so much money going around,..so,.I mostly work solo,.or call in a few old local lads. Much of my work is in woodland...and in my opinion,..as far as rabbiting is concerned,..I find that hunting and working, in dark woodland brash and fallen timber, to be the most awkward kind of running ground for a lurcher. Some take to it, and survive, whilst others cannot slow down mentally, and more importantly, physically, and suffer accordingly. In conclusion,.I like a quickish kinda cur, that tries when he has to, and hangs back when it is safer to do so... Not the ideal mix for most lads,...I do know this,...but there ya go... Thanks for the response chalky, excellent reply as always. Agree about the woodland, I avoid that terrain at all costs but rabbits love it and generally head to it. Nothing worse than seeing your quarry bolt through the fence into woods, dog leaping blind after it...... Listening to the crashing of branches, waiting on that yelp, even worse on the lamp. Take care mate and I hope your vans sorted soon Quote Link to post
oldred58 340 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 PUTING UP WITH MOST OF THE CLOWNS WHO OWN THEM, 1 Quote Link to post
pip1968 2,490 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 i work my dogs in the wood every day,they work the rabbits or squirrels up out the bramble and ferns and chase them through the rhoddies,my heart is in my mouth most of the time listening to branches snapping but the dogs love it and you can see their excitment when their jumping around with ears pricked waiting for the bolt Quote Link to post
sneakysod 4 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I suppose I better elaborate ,,, both of these disaplins require the dog not to chase in the same way ,, In fact my own point of view is I dowt a long net dog would be better than the human doing the bant,, it might be ok if all you have dropped is 50 yards of web,,, however if you have 2 or possibly 3 hundred yard of nets down,,, then I don't see a dog quartering the hole length of the webs properly. But back to the question,, you have to have a very special dog and relationship with it ,, to get the dog to herd a hare in to the net,, especially the one your sat by,, ok the hare is a creature of habit,,, and provided you know his runs ,,half the battle is done ,, but it still requires something special from the dog. After a net dog I would say a top ferreting dog,,, not just a lurcher that goes ferreting,, but something a bit more than that. And as much as I love both lamping and hare coursing ,, neither realy tax a dog ,, it's child's play to be honest,, and just requires common science from the owner,,,, mind,, that's a commodity that can be sadly lacking with today's owners,,lol and thats surly gotta depend on breed a lot of collie if not a full collie for this job Quote Link to post
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