fireman 11,043 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I don't think there is a correct definitive answer and it's all down to your own personnel choice .I wouldn't breed from a dog that could be called of as I don't think it's 100% committed to the job and I believe that a dog that can be called of isn't committed . Now I'm not saying I'm right in believing that, I'm just saying that's my personnel choice But if you never called it out and it stayed till dug every time then how is that not commited mate?. 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I don't think there is a correct definitive answer and it's all down to your own personnel choice .I wouldn't breed from a dog that could be called of as I don't think it's 100% committed to the job and I believe that a dog that can be called of isn't committed . Now I'm not saying I'm right in believing that, I'm just saying that's my personnel choice But if you never called it out and it stayed till dug every time then how is that not commited mate?. fair play but at the moment it hears you calling its name and it walks of gear then that not 100% committed surely ? Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 its a shame that a 9 month old thread is the only thread thats getting any interest in the terrier section ... 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 its a shame that a 9 month old thread is the only thread thats getting any interest in the terrier section ...to a starving man a dry biscuit is like a steak meal ? 1 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 its a shame that a 9 month old thread is the only thread thats getting any interest in the terrier section ...to a starving man a dry biscuit is like a steak meal ---just me mate i think i`ve out stayed my welcome on here... Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 its a shame that a 9 month old thread is the only thread thats getting any interest in the terrier section ...to a starving man a dry biscuit is like a steak meal ---just me mate i think i`ve out stayed my welcome on here... id imagine your always welcome on here. Quote Link to post
CorkyJohn 808 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O Can't understand why anyone with any experience would allow a terrier to be running free on land they dont yet know or have recently acquired....asking for trouble Edited December 21, 2013 by CorkyJohn 3 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.O Can't understand why anyone with any experience would allow a terrier to be running free on land they dont yet know or have recently acquired....asking for trouble the crazy world of terriers eh Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 bull shite I know dogs you cant let wonder an ones you can........nothing ventured and nothing gained and all that,......you know what you keep and you know a dog you can let off the lead , so stop that nonsense.......un less you got the ultimate machines,....pmsl 1 Quote Link to post
CorkyJohn 808 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 bull shite I know dogs you cant let wonder an ones you can........nothing ventured and nothing gained and all that,......you know what you keep and you know a dog you can let off the lead , so stop that nonsense.......un less you got the ultimate machines,....pmsl Can't make sense of what you're getting at mate but the badger act has been in a long time. Fact is if you have a dog you know won't be called away then sense would say that you'd be aware of whats on the land, depth, earth types etc. I had a Border many years ago I used for checking the depth of places, he would only mark fox & even then only stay 20mins. The dog was a cull but he had his uses & could be used to bolt foxes in places I couldn't or wasn't allowed to dig. The dog was never bred from, never would be but was stolen from kennels. I can see the use for a dog called away but I would never breed from this type, JMO. I remember a hunt terrierman boasting of the numbers his bitch had bolted, this same bloke had classed numerous earths on my estate as undiggable. We dug all these places except one, bolting doesn't test a dog digging does 4 Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I don't think there is a correct definitive answer and it's all down to your own personnel choice .I wouldn't breed from a dog that could be called of as I don't think it's 100% committed to the job and I believe that a dog that can be called of isn't committed . Now I'm not saying I'm right in believing that, I'm just saying that's my personnel choice But if you never called it out and it stayed till dug every time then how is that not commited mate?. fair play but at the moment it hears you calling its name and it walks of gear then that not 100% committed surely ?of course it is. You call it out, sit with nets and fox bolts, you can put the dog in any spot that a staying terrier cant go. 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,758 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I don't think there is a correct definitive answer and it's all down to your own personnel choice .I wouldn't breed from a dog that could be called of as I don't think it's 100% committed to the job and I believe that a dog that can be called of isn't committed . Now I'm not saying I'm right in believing that, I'm just saying that's my personnel choice But if you never called it out and it stayed till dug every time then how is that not commited mate?. fair play but at the moment it hears you calling its name and it walks of gear then that not 100% committed surely ?of course it is. You call it out, sit with nets and fox bolts, you can put the dog in any spot that a staying terrier cant go.well I suppose that's were me and you will disagree then with what we call 100% committed lol. Quote Link to post
dpb82uk 138 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 carnt call my terrier back [BANNED TEXT] she is on the sent of a bunny above no matter how much i shout just starting her on reds now and if she was in a erth on a red i woodnt even think about trying to call it out im new to terrier work but to me if i dont get a bolt then im digging it out no point puting any type of working dog on anything if your just going to call it off agen Quote Link to post
MOLE265 792 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.OCan't understand why anyone with any experience would allow a terrier to be running free on land they dont yet know or have recently acquired....asking for trouble Can I ask how long you have been digging foxes? Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Owned and worked a jack Russell a lot of years ago the dog worked well to fox and would stay till dug to we were checking out a farm we had just got permission on we were walking along the bottom of a very long steep banking when my terrier put his nose down and away he went he started to go up the banking through gorse were we lost sight of him went to the last point we seen him and yes you've guest it an earth two holes about 30' apart with a lot of grassed over spoil outside both hole so we knew it was an old and well established earth we listened at both holes not a sound tried to marked the dog with the 15' locator turned up full bung not a click from the box we decided to wait and see if we would get a bolt sat for a hour nothing we decided to trench in between the two holes as we opened up the hole the banking kept slipping very dangerous any way we dug for 3 days the dog eventually came out him self. Well after that I made sure any terrier I owned would come out of the ground if I wanted it too. If you have a terrier and you need it out of an earth for any reason and you shout it and it refuses to come to H.M.V. Then that fault lies with the owner of the dog. Unless the dog is stuck This is just M.H.OCan't understand why anyone with any experience would allow a terrier to be running free on land they dont yet know or have recently acquired....asking for troubleCan I ask how long you have been digging foxes? Quote Link to post
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